Official, confirmed, verified "You are the umpire" thread

[Verified Enigma]

Also, I did mention time restrictions. It's actually stated as to how much time is allowed for it in the T20 and ODI stuff...

I think time restrictions are taken away after the penultimate over of the innings and then the captain all the time as he needs. Not sure about super over timings though.
Since there is a lot of pressure and vital discussions are needed to be made with bowlers, fielders and the captain and senior members as every ball counts.

 

[qpeedore]

Super Over has time restrictions too. T20 and OD playing conditions specifically state it.

Appendix 6...F...I think...in both ICC Conditions.

EDIT: Yeah, I just checked the T20 ICC document, it's page 87, Appendix F.

 

[Yash.]

So I got something, more of a query than a question...

Suppose a batsman tries to hit a ball but ends up getting a top edge, and the ball goes straight up.

1. Suppose on its way down, it is going to fall onto the stumps, so the batsman swipes at it preventing it from dislodging the stumps. Due to this the ball goes for four. Will it count? Is the bestman not out or out?
2. Suppose the batsmen had setoff for a run, can the former non striker use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps (assuming he was able to reach the strikers end before the ball falls.)

 

[Verified Enigma]

So I got something, more of a query than a question...

Suppose a batsman tries to hit a ball but ends up getting a top edge, and the ball goes straight up.

1. Suppose on its way down, it is going to fall onto the stumps, so the batsman swipes at it preventing it from dislodging the stumps. Due to this the ball goes for four. Will it count? Is the bestman not out or out?
2. Suppose the batsmen had setoff for a run, can the former non striker use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps (assuming he was able to reach the strikers end before the ball falls.)

as advised by @qpeedore , I will wait for a while before I answer

 

[Verified Enigma]

So I got something, more of a query than a question...

Suppose a batsman tries to hit a ball but ends up getting a top edge, and the ball goes straight up.

1. Suppose on its way down, it is going to fall onto the stumps, so the batsman swipes at it preventing it from dislodging the stumps. Due to this the ball goes for four. Will it count? Is the batsman not out or out?

Four won't be counted as double bat isn't allowed.
Coming to out or not out, technically he should be not out as he was well within his right to save the stumps via his bat,
but again, in retrospect, it will really depend upon the umpire present over there, few may give him out, few may let him bat, few may even call it a dead ball.

If I were the umpire, I would give it not out, but no four, no runs scored.

Suppose the batsmen had setoff for a run, can the former non striker use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps (assuming he was able to reach the strikers end before the ball falls.)

The non-striker who was running towards the strikers end will be giving out obstructing the field.
He doesn't have the right to save the stumps of the batsman on strike.

 

[CerealKiller]

So I got something, more of a query than a question...

Suppose a batsman tries to hit a ball but ends up getting a top edge, and the ball goes straight up.

1. Suppose on its way down, it is going to fall onto the stumps, so the batsman swipes at it preventing it from dislodging the stumps. Due to this the ball goes for four. Will it count? Is the bestman not out or out?
2. Suppose the batsmen had setoff for a run, can the former non striker use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps (assuming he was able to reach the strikers end before the ball falls.)

1. Given out for hitting the ball twice
2. Given out for obstructing the field

 

[asprin]

he should be not out as he was well within his right to save the stumps via his bat

Is it though? I'm under the impression that a player can use only his legs and nothing else to stop the ball from rolling onto the stumps.

 

[Yash.]

1. Given out for hitting the ball twice

But the rules explicitly say, that the batsman is allowed to use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps.

 

[CerealKiller]

But the rules explicitly say, that the batsman is allowed to use his bat to prevent the ball from falling onto the stumps.

Guess i'll wait for @qpeedore then

 

[Verified Enigma]

Is it though? I'm under the impression that a player can use only his legs and nothing else to stop the ball from rolling onto the stumps.

Bat can also be used. Hands can't.

 

[Verified Enigma]

1. Given out for hitting the ball twice

Not the case when used to save the stumps.

 

[Yash.]

Is it though? I'm under the impression that a player can use only his legs and nothing else to stop the ball from rolling onto the stumps.

Yeah, the bat is allowed. Martin Guptill did it in his 237* against West Indies.

 

[qpeedore]

1. It's not out. You can use any part of your body or the bat in order to protect the stumps from being broken. You cannot use a hand not holding the bat though. This phrase is in there to prevent a batsman from just catching the ball or swatting it away, goalkeeper style. But if you're still holding onto the bat with that hand or hands then feel free to use anything you wish.

You can't score any runs off of it. You can, however, still be caught provided that the ball has not hit the ground after the last contact with the bat or hand holding the bat. The umpire is not to signal dead ball immediately either, in the event that a run out chance becomes available. The ball only becomes dead after the ball conventionally becomes dead (settled in the wicketkeeper's gloves), at the time the ball gets to the boundary, or after the completion of the first run. At that point, batsmen are to return to their original ends and no runs are scored except for no-balls or penalty runs.

2. The non-striker is out obstructing the field. Only the striker can protect his wicket in this way. If the ball does indeed go on to hit the stumps, then the original striker would of course be out bowled, and the new batsman comes in to take strike while the original non-striker goes back to his end.

If, in the first scenario, the batsman prevents a fielder from attempting a catch though, then it's out hit the ball twice. In that situation, it would have to be one of the close fielders clearly going for the catch and the batsman deliberately hits it away, even if it would have eventually hit the stumps.

 

[qpeedore]

We saw a Super Over recently in the IPL. And we also saw legitimate evidence of a short run being called when there was no short run.

Opinions?

If the TV umpire is to be deciding no balls on every delivery without the standing umpires having to refer, surely he or she can call legit runs also? Or is that just taking things too far? Should the TV umpire also determine who is in the circle at the moment of delivery or not? Or if there are more than two fielders behind legside or not?

The standing umpires are essentially signal robots at the moment. And I don't like it.

I want on field umpires to give a guy run out on first instinct. I want wides to be enforced more. I want bouncers to be proper bouncers, not just this chest high thing.

Whatever, my opinion is mine, and you're free to disagree.

Onto the questions. I don't make any downplaying of "these times". We're in COVID.

So. In COVID.

- Tell me what happens if a player rubs saliva on the ball.

- Tell me what happens if a groundsman handles the ball.

- Tell me how great it is to have cricket being played.

Whine. Bitch. Moan. Complain. But reply.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

So. In COVID.

- Tell me what happens if a player rubs saliva on the ball.

- Tell me what happens if a groundsman handles the ball.

- Tell me how great it is to have cricket being played.

It would be very difficult for me to answer this tbh. This is the worst situation the World is facing and it never really happened before. My knowledge in this aspect of the game is pretty dull.