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Jadeja is being played as an all-rounder, wherein he clearly isn' one. His batting is over-hyped. Point out one instance where his batting led the team to victory? Ashwin is a far better spinner than him.
Why should I be bothered about Ashwin when Ashwin is clearly a better bowler? Ashwin and Jadeja will always play together on turning pitches so there's no point in picking one over the other. As mentioned before, there is no one in this country to be able to replace Jadeja right now. You must know how Rishabh Pant & Kuldeep Yadav were treated and how there are question marks over Iyer's no.4 spot inspite of his consistency before making it clear that there are players who are backed unnecessarily.
 

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it's not a good thing to call out names of Gurunath M and say Dhoni backed him for whatsoever reasons. Since Gurunath was found guilty of match fixing and you accuse Dhoni's of supporting him indirectly means that you are accusing Dhoni of it. Denying it or wording it differently doesn't
I definitely accuse Dhoni of supporting Gurunath nit in match fixing though but in illegal betting and using confidential information for his own benefit.
 

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Why should I be bothered about Ashwin when Ashwin is clearly a better bowler? Ashwin and Jadeja will always play together on turning pitches so there's no point in picking one over the other. As mentioned before, there is no one in this country to be able to replace Jadeja right now. You must know how Rishabh Pant & Kuldeep Yadav were treated and how there are question marks over Iyer's no.4 spot inspite of his consistency before making it clear that there are players who are backed unnecessarily.

If Ash is the better of the two, why not play Ash only?

Replacement of Jadeja- well it depends upon how you look at him. In the eyes of Virat, he is the best AR India can ave. To an extent, it seems you agree. My question though- what is the role that Jadeja must be playing in the team? Is he being considering an equivalent of say a Ben Stokes/ Shakib/ Vettori ? If so, he is neither. He is simply a bowler who can bat a bit, but won't necessarily give you those 30-40 runs that you require from him. He can be replaced, there are the likes of Jayant, Baba Aparjith who really havent been tried. IMO, they are far better batsmen than Jadeja can ever be.

Regarding Jadeja's backing- MSD did it, Kohli is doing it. There's no denying that there's a bit of favouritism in the side. Circa back to 2008, Jadeja was deputy to Kohli as well. So, backing him shouldnt come as a surprise.
 

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He can be replaced, there are the likes of Jayant, Baba Aparjith who really havent been tried. IMO, they are far better batsmen than Jadeja can ever be.
Aparajith? Seriously? Again Jayant is more like for like for Ashwin. Jadeja is India's version of Mehdi Miraz and not Shakib. He is more like Moeen Ali and not Ben Stokes. On this entire forum, you might be the only one who thinks there are better players than Jadeja to play his his role for India but the truth is there isn't any.
 

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This seems an obvious trolling attempt now. How can you see a Daniel Vettori as an equivalent of Shakib or Stokes? Don't make a fool of yourself.

The same way you see Jadeja as being indispensable to the Indian team.

On this entire forum, you might be the only one who thinks there are better players than Jadeja to play his his role for India but the truth is there isn't any.

In Aparajith/ Jayant,you get the extra dimension of an assured batting result. With Jadeja ,you do not.

Again, please clarify what his role is?
 

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The same way you see Jadeja as being indispensable to the Indian team.
Because he is. Your view is different more so due to the fact that you don't follow Indian Cricket or maybe you just watch scores and highlights. I wouldn't blame you since you are past that age when you would be encouraged to not just follow but live the sport. But to be consistently ignorant about something isn't great tbh!

Again, please clarify what his role is?
As I said earlier read this article to know about it-

 

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The article isn't conclusive enough. Its just an appreciation bit about him.

As I said earlier, please point out instances wherein this guy has actually single-handedly won matches for India. Forget the triple centuries- by that logic, Karun Nair ought to play every damn game. By that logic, Amol Muzumdar should have ended up as an India great. But, the fact remains that Jadeja has always found favour with the Indian captain and he has received consistent backing.

Because he is. Your view is different more so due to the fact that you don't follow Indian Cricket or maybe you just watch scores and highlights. I wouldn't blame you since you are past that age when you would be encouraged to not just follow but live the sport. But to be consistently ignorant about something isn't great tbh!
Ignorant about what? Ravindra Jadeja is, as Manjrekar rightly called a 'bits-and-pieces' player. You cannot rely on him to deliver the results, especially in crunch situations. he has been around for a decade and yet hasn't been able to create that lasting mark. Be honest with yourself here- India chasing 100 in the last 10 overs with Jadeja on strike and only 3 wickets in hand. I wouldn't bet for India win in such a scenario.

What Jadeja has nicely done, is to play out many deliveries in games such as the CWC19 semi-final (cause we didnt have a chance). The closer we got to the total, he threw it all away. Adding runs to his tally in a losing cause isn't the hallmark of a great cricket player.

And just to set the record straight-People dont have the time to follow each and every delivery live. You maybe doing so, but the some of us do have other pressing matters to tend to. Being a fan and not living the game isnt a crime! To bring this onto a forum though is highly unprofessional!
 

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People dont have the time to follow each and every delivery live. You maybe doing so, but the some of us do have other pressing matters to tend to. Being a fan and not living the game isnt a crime!
As I said earlier it is not a problem of not following it enough but to make conclusions based on it is. Your posts do seem to be unprofessional since you are calling out the players for something that you yourself don't have any idea about.

India chasing 100 in the last 10 overs with Jadeja on strike and only 3 wickets in hand. I wouldn't bet for India win in such a scenario.
Can your Jayants & Aparajiths do it? I doubt. I never saw any player apart from AB de Villiers/Kieron Pollard/Andre Russell do that kind of a thing, all of whom have their primary skill of that of a batsman and they hardly bowl. He has a better bowling average than Stokes and a better batting average compared to Jason Holder, Mehdi Miraz, Mitchell Santner or Moeen Ali for that cause.
 

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Ravindra Jadeja is, as Manjrekar rightly called a 'bits-and-pieces' player. You cannot rely on him to deliver the results, especially in crunch situations. he has been around for a decade and yet hasn't been able to create that lasting mark. Be honest with yourself here- India chasing 100 in the last 10 overs with Jadeja on strike and only 3 wickets in hand. I wouldn't bet for India win in such a scenario.
Mate, Why ponder on hypothetical scenario(s)?
Just enjoy the game, At the end we just want to Win.

He doesn't know we exist, so why waste time on him?
 

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