Is Lara the second best of all time?

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I think so he is, behind Bradman, he has played great knocks like that 153 and 213, Lara has also got 8 200s 2 300s, and 1 400s, Lara has a consistancy of getting 40 runs more then any other batsmen.

Lara is ahead of Sachin in our modern era, The fact is, lara takes alot more risks than sachin, is more entertaining and devastating and has a much better strike rate in tests. If sachin and lara had equal stats in tests i would still put lara above sachin because he has such stats despite his aggressive stroke play. But isnt it amazing that of the two, it is the more flamboyant who makes the BIG scores alot more often? Not to mention has played alot more great knocks under alot mroe pressure... Every batsman fails and gets low scores, but lara consitently scores over 40, makes alot of 100's and is very likely to make huge scores as well!
In a totally unrelated fact, he has played some of the highest quality(not quantity) knocks in the history of test cricket. Lara is second only to bradman with those phenomenal gems of innings, sachin is way behind.
Im not saying count off ODI's completely, but the simplest way i can present my point is what ive already said, Tests are about 3 times as important as ODI's when judging batsmen. I say that because the WC is a very important event, and it also says a lot about batsmen. I only mentioned 20/20 to illustrate my point, as u put restrictions on the game its value degenerates. Tests are 10-15 times as valuabl as 20/20. Like u admitted urself AW, odi's were introduced purely for entertainment and revenues.

It would appear that lara has had alot of low scores to go with a 'few' big scores. But ____That-is-a-Myth____. Lara has 2 300's, one 400. Ok u can count that as his rare big scores. But 8 200's to go with 31 100's is no small matter. AND i have said this a million times now, YET you raise the question of lara performing in 1 out of 4 matches.... Lara SCORES OVER 40 RUNS MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ANY OF HIS PEERS. That stat has nothing to do with his huge scores, is there still any doubt?

400 is the only thing that makes lara great?? Does he not also have 31 100's and 8 200's? Does he not also have the most 'great knocks' of any batsman barring bradman (he does) Does he not also score over 40 runs more consistently than any contemporary batsman. Does he also not have the most test runs aggregate? this proves Lara is second best of all time.
 
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I think Sachin is the best of our era, he has got 74 100s, 112 50s and over 24,000 runs in both forms of the games combined.

Sachin has scored 18 100s away, and scored more runs then Lara overseas, form all I know Lara is not hal as consistant as Lara, you should look at Lara contrubutions when he toured Australia in 2000/01 England in 2000 and 2004.

Lara is a great batsmen but Lara is not better then Sachin, I would rate Lara as 8th of all time in my list, but not 2nd.
 
Let me tell u some of lara's highlights. For ur benefit KIing,i dont rate the 400 in lara's top 3.But here they are in no particular order: 153*, 213, 196, 375, 400*, 277, 226, 221&130. And i wont mention the 153 against pakistan or the 176 vs southafrica last year. The 202 in SA where he got the record for most runs in an over, and get this, i wont even mention the 130&48 vs pak last year even though it won the match. It is all relative, but those are examples of some of the highest quality knocks in the history of test cricket. No one other than bradman can touch those!
 
Yeah,Brian Lara is definitely the 2nd best batsman of alltime.
 
Don't take stats.

Lara is flamboyant, entertaining, devastating. He hits the ball so cleanly, so hard, its like he can put away any ball he wants to. Its like bowling to a...a...Windmill you could say. Just flailing his bat and hitting the ball all over the place. But he isn't flailing, he is playing shots of the highest calibre. Driving, Cutting, Pulling, all with the greatest of elegance. He times the ball so sweetly, its a genius of sorts. But he does give you that chance, that hint of a remote possiblity that you could get him out.

Now Sachin. The maestro of maestro. Judges each delivery to perfection, times it sweetly, has a shot for every ball. Once he is in, he won't get out if he doesn't want to. He has every stroke in the book, finds the gaps, places the ball, frustrates the bowler to no end, then smacks him for four. Its like bowling to a wall, almost literally. You can almost never get through him, he hits the ball harder the faster you try to bowl it. All of a sudden, the wall has a club and smacks you out of the park. His batting is a sight to behold. Beautiful shots and timing and grace. Beautiful footwork, and a way to counter everything tossed to him. A genius of the game overall. He is less flamboyant, but more effective, and doesn't give you much hope when it comes to dissmissing him.

Both of them have a taste for the big scene, and have shut up critics so many times that people have given up criticising and just sit back and watch. Its impossible to tie these players down for a whole series. Its like a sprig - the harder you push them down, the stronger they will burst back. They both are geniuses of the game, and have made cricket what it is. Take your pick.
 
When you compare modern bats to the bats of even 30 years ago, when you look at how pitches and oval surfaces are now more consistent than ever, how the ropes give the batsmen a tiny bit more runs and even the fact that less international grounds are properly exposed to let the breeze blow unhindered across the pitch, it gets very hard to believe that any of today's batsmen stack up as much as you would think against the great players of the past.
 
You might think I'm and idiot, but I don't think Bradman was too good. I have seen a few clips of him and I wasn't impressed. His batting style was very crude and his technique was quite horrible as well. However, the statistics are on his side and do shut me up.
 
Don't forget Barry Richards, were it not for the apartheid he could've had an average as good as anyone bar Bradman.

The second best cricket player of all time is Bradman.

Who's the best then Andrew? Grace?
 
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You might think I'm and idiot, but I don't think Bradman was too good. I have seen a few clips of him and I wasn't impressed. His batting style was very crude and his technique was quite horrible as well. However, the statistics are on his side and do shut me up.

If his technique was so bad why would he average 99.94? Surely the bowlers would have exposed his bad technique. It may not look pretty to you but it worked for him just like Murali ugly bowling action works for him.
 
I'm not a great believer in looking at stats, let alone comparing people from two different eras. But I look at it like this. In world Cricket we have 2 of the top 4 spin bowlers of all time, in Murali and Warne. In my opinion no one would be able to average over 60 with those two around, let alone the likes of McGrath & Pollock etc. Hence, I don't think Bradman can be judged as the best because of his average alone. I mean for one he only ever played in England and Australia, had he played on the Sub continent or even West Indies he may well have struggled. I feel people ignore this when comparing batsman. For me Bradman is top five, but there is no chance that he is out there on his own at the top, no one is.
 
He could only play against what he was up against. Why wasn't there any other batsmen during his time averaging 99.94? And I'm sure if he could have played in WI or the Sub continent he would have averaged over 100!
 
MUFC1987 said:
I'm not a great believer in looking at stats, let alone comparing people from two different eras. But I look at it like this. In world Cricket we have 2 of the top 4 spin bowlers of all time, in Murali and Warne. In my opinion no one would be able to average over 60 with those two around, let alone the likes of McGrath & Pollock etc. Hence, I don't think Bradman can be judged as the best because of his average alone. I mean for one he only ever played in England and Australia, had he played on the Sub continent or even West Indies he may well have struggled. I feel people ignore this when comparing batsman. For me Bradman is top five, but there is no chance that he is out there on his own at the top, no one is.

Bradman played on some fast tracks, agaisnt dangerous bowlers with only minumem protection, Lara is good, but I wouldent say he is second to Don, Bradman obviously number 1, then Hobbs, Hammond, Headly, Viv-richards, then Gavaskar, then proberly Lara or Tendulkar.
 
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