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and of course he'll grate on some people when things are going well anyway.
The Reintegration Thread
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The good news for Simon Barnes fans is that, having been sacked by the Times, he's no longer paywalled.
Simon Barnes: Who needs a litany of Kevin Pietersen's complaints? | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
I love everything both David Walsh and Simon Barnes write so the fact they are both writing about cricket is a joy to me.
Simon Barnes: Who needs a litany of Kevin Pietersen's complaints? | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
I love everything both David Walsh and Simon Barnes write so the fact they are both writing about cricket is a joy to me.
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The ECB have not (honest) leaked a "dossier" on KP which includes such crimes as "taking young and impressionable squad members (like the England T20 captain) out drinking", looking out of windows and whistling.
Frankly he should have been jailed not sacked.
Frankly he should have been jailed not sacked.
http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/DOWNLOAD/100/0135/KP.pdf
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[/DOUBLEPOST]genuine doubt do ECB stalk all their players this much? when they scratch their nose , sneeze etc
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[/DOUBLEPOST]genuine doubt do ECB stalk all their players this much? when they scratch their nose , sneeze etc
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T.J.Hooker
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I can't think of a more important and fundamental job in cricket management than nurturing your talent, and everything that's coming out paints to exactly the opposite picture. Losing your best player is a huge deal, and if the only stuff they can come up with by way of explanation is a sum total of infractions that would barely merit detention at a 1950s boarding school it doesn't really speak all that well of the job they've been doing.
A few posters have commented on The Full Toss about obvious bullying of Finn during Swann's tour diary videos. I haven't seen them myself so I'll reserve judgement. Sounds pretty plausible, though.
A few posters have commented on The Full Toss about obvious bullying of Finn during Swann's tour diary videos. I haven't seen them myself so I'll reserve judgement. Sounds pretty plausible, though.
Haha, I have been going through the Dossier released by the ECB. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/DOWNLOAD/100/0135/KP.pdf The more I read, the more I am on KP's side.
First of all what kind of a Kindergarten level exercise is it? who the hell keeps something as silly as a dossier of this sort. Its almost as bad as homework-gate.
As for the contents of the dossier themselves -
1) A lot of talk about playing a "senseless" shot to get out. - Wht abt at all of the runs scored before that, eh? Whereby he was highest scorer for the side.
2) Do not take players out drinking so as "not to give the scandal-voracious press any ammunition - WTF ! How paranoid was this team! Managing the press is not your job, they will write what they want. Instead focus on letting the team be relaxed and help them settle in. If the press scared them so much no wonder, they buckled under the real pressures on the field. The team management sounds like a bunch of schizophrenics, who were living a paranoid life, and its no wonder people with some sanity left didn't see eye to eye with them.
3) Some bullsh!t about how KP said he would go home if Eng went 3-0 down - The support staff is there to help players and not spy and then rat on them. Players vent out frustration from time to time, especially when the chips are down. Thats the whole point of having support staff who are supportive. Let players vent out frustration and get it off their chest.
What is the point of having support staff, if things said to them in strict confidence is going to be then used against you. That reeks of very very unhealthy team ethos. If players cannot freely talk to the support staff anymore, how will the support staff even help them. KP said he was feeling disappointed with the team. Once this info got out, did anyone bother to sit down and explain things to him, or say don't worry we are working on it - No. Pointless to have support staff then, if even after the issues raised by a player leak, they are not directly addressed and instead fed into a childish dossier to be used against the player.
Above all did KP desert the team, regardless of what he told someone - No. Did Jonathan Trott - Yes. KP still the villain? Okay !
4) After more childish ranting the one that is really alarming.
"It riled the team and management that KP allowed Piers Morgan to belittle AC and the team on Social media." Goes on to say they asked KP to get Morgan to stop and KP told them to get some sense.
First of the preposterous idea that KP was "allowing" Morgan to tweet, is beyond childish. KP and Morgan maybe friends, but that in some way makes KP responsible for what Morgan is saying? Or for that matter gives KP control over Morgan, just because they are friends, and KP can direct Morgan what to write/ Eng players sound not only paranoid, but positively losing all sense of what is rational.
What is even worse is the lack of spine on display from the team. Yeah we are getting the sh!t hammered out of us, but that friend of yours is criticising us for that, get him to stop. We are too gutless, and a bunch of cowards, to take (extremely justified) criticism on the chin, and instead we want you to use your influence to get people to stop, or we will gang up and hold it against you.
If this attrocious level of the total lack of any kind of guts, doesn't make every English fan to want to throw up, then I don't know what will.
Its good on the ECB's part to release this "Dossier'. However the sad truth is far from showing KP in poor light, its a stinking expose on the shambolic team Flower and Co. were running. The management had devolved into a bunch of paranoid, schizophrenics, who were more interested in managing the media then on field affairs. You could not talk freely to the support staff anymore, who were now the control freak manager's rats and spies.
Above all the team has so totally lost all character, in all of this mess, that far from taking very justified criticism on the chin they were out to get one of their own, because he could not get some of the criticism to stop !
I think all Eng fans will thank the ECB for this dossier, only for reasons far different from what the ECB would have liked.
First of all what kind of a Kindergarten level exercise is it? who the hell keeps something as silly as a dossier of this sort. Its almost as bad as homework-gate.
As for the contents of the dossier themselves -
1) A lot of talk about playing a "senseless" shot to get out. - Wht abt at all of the runs scored before that, eh? Whereby he was highest scorer for the side.
2) Do not take players out drinking so as "not to give the scandal-voracious press any ammunition - WTF ! How paranoid was this team! Managing the press is not your job, they will write what they want. Instead focus on letting the team be relaxed and help them settle in. If the press scared them so much no wonder, they buckled under the real pressures on the field. The team management sounds like a bunch of schizophrenics, who were living a paranoid life, and its no wonder people with some sanity left didn't see eye to eye with them.
3) Some bullsh!t about how KP said he would go home if Eng went 3-0 down - The support staff is there to help players and not spy and then rat on them. Players vent out frustration from time to time, especially when the chips are down. Thats the whole point of having support staff who are supportive. Let players vent out frustration and get it off their chest.
What is the point of having support staff, if things said to them in strict confidence is going to be then used against you. That reeks of very very unhealthy team ethos. If players cannot freely talk to the support staff anymore, how will the support staff even help them. KP said he was feeling disappointed with the team. Once this info got out, did anyone bother to sit down and explain things to him, or say don't worry we are working on it - No. Pointless to have support staff then, if even after the issues raised by a player leak, they are not directly addressed and instead fed into a childish dossier to be used against the player.
Above all did KP desert the team, regardless of what he told someone - No. Did Jonathan Trott - Yes. KP still the villain? Okay !
4) After more childish ranting the one that is really alarming.
"It riled the team and management that KP allowed Piers Morgan to belittle AC and the team on Social media." Goes on to say they asked KP to get Morgan to stop and KP told them to get some sense.
First of the preposterous idea that KP was "allowing" Morgan to tweet, is beyond childish. KP and Morgan maybe friends, but that in some way makes KP responsible for what Morgan is saying? Or for that matter gives KP control over Morgan, just because they are friends, and KP can direct Morgan what to write/ Eng players sound not only paranoid, but positively losing all sense of what is rational.
What is even worse is the lack of spine on display from the team. Yeah we are getting the sh!t hammered out of us, but that friend of yours is criticising us for that, get him to stop. We are too gutless, and a bunch of cowards, to take (extremely justified) criticism on the chin, and instead we want you to use your influence to get people to stop, or we will gang up and hold it against you.
If this attrocious level of the total lack of any kind of guts, doesn't make every English fan to want to throw up, then I don't know what will.
Its good on the ECB's part to release this "Dossier'. However the sad truth is far from showing KP in poor light, its a stinking expose on the shambolic team Flower and Co. were running. The management had devolved into a bunch of paranoid, schizophrenics, who were more interested in managing the media then on field affairs. You could not talk freely to the support staff anymore, who were now the control freak manager's rats and spies.
Above all the team has so totally lost all character, in all of this mess, that far from taking very justified criticism on the chin they were out to get one of their own, because he could not get some of the criticism to stop !
I think all Eng fans will thank the ECB for this dossier, only for reasons far different from what the ECB would have liked.
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T.J.Hooker
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Ok, so the support staff were suspicious KP might fake injury.
Wait, and apparently they're paid to watch out for this kind of thing and report back to Flower. That's not at all creepy.
And isn't this the same support staff that KP says were pushing him to play too early? And haven't they been the ones overseeing Matt Prior's long decline towards career ending surgery? And the one that signs off Stuart Broad as ok to be constantly bowled into the ground?
Wait, and apparently they're paid to watch out for this kind of thing and report back to Flower. That's not at all creepy.
And isn't this the same support staff that KP says were pushing him to play too early? And haven't they been the ones overseeing Matt Prior's long decline towards career ending surgery? And the one that signs off Stuart Broad as ok to be constantly bowled into the ground?
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Does anyone still have a copy of the dossier ? The link is not working anymore 
wonder why (forced to take it down ?)
wonder why (forced to take it down ?)
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^^This keeps getting worse by the hour
Tampered dossier ?
Tampered dossier ?
Well the ECB being totally inept actually thought this would play well and have been backtracking furiously since. One assumes that the only thing they read is the Daily Mail. Partly because that's where they've been leaking all their stories to but mostly because it will start blaming KP for the Kennedy assassination soon.
Tomorrow's back page is nothing short of hilarious...
Tomorrow's back page is nothing short of hilarious...
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I honestly thought it was so stupid and bland that maybe someone was leaking against them.
They have the most amazing sticks up their anuses if they thought that heap of petty guff was good for anything but laughs at their expense.[DOUBLEPOST=1412719514][/DOUBLEPOST]hahaha, the Daily Mail
They have the most amazing sticks up their anuses if they thought that heap of petty guff was good for anything but laughs at their expense.[DOUBLEPOST=1412719514][/DOUBLEPOST]hahaha, the Daily Mail
