West Indies tour of Bangladesh, 2020-21

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I think that's a decent full-strength Bangladesh team at present. Not the team they'll go with for the next game, but maybe the team they should be thinking of in the future.

They will want to add another seamer to help Fizz out for sure, that's where Jayed will probably get a game. Him playing takes away from the batting but will add loads to the bowling, which was pretty much all the same thing in the second innings. The same three spinners will play, but will they want a fourth? The official squad list doesn't have anyone else they can really play that role though. It's not the same as before 2020, where you could just call up a player and they'll be available to play. If you're not a part of the whole bio-secure system then you can't play. Which makes it really odd that Bangladesh have named Soumya Sarker as a replacement for Shakib. That's...weird. That shouldn't be happening even if you're the home team. Either way, the chances of Sarkar actually getting to play are pretty slim, in my opinion.

Variety is what they sorely missed in that last match. Rahman alone wasn't good enough as the lone seamer. Adding Jayed will help that out, even if they miss out on a few runs in the process. As far as I can tell from the official squad list, there isn't really anyone else they can go with. The whole bubble issue and all. Now if they'd had free reign, then a team similar to @Aislabie is something I'd want to see.

As for the West Indies, barring injury, they'd be mad to change their team. Campbell gets potentially two final innings to prove himself worthy. Moseley gets the chance to step up and show that he belongs at the top level.
 

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About nine more matches than he really should have played, to be frank. 24 innings as an opener and only 2 fifties to his name, and not very big fifties at that. His standard deviation would be interesting to calculate too. Lemme see if I can remember my Form 5 Maths (or was it Form 6?)...

*does maths*

Yeah, I know there's calculators online. Sometimes it's more fun to do it yourself.

I won't bore anyone with the details really, but it's pretty much just as I thought. He can't even be consistent with his average of 24.66 (21.58 since SD doesn't consider not outs), he's all over the place. I've always said I prefer consistency over hit-or-miss, and if he'd been around 25 an innings consistently then it still wouldn't be ideal, but it would have been better than the result I got (+/-18point42andsome, for the curious).

But, as @Aislabie mentioned, who else do we have? Shai Hope can open, but by God the man needs form. Our regional 50-over competition has just started, and he isn't even named in any of the squads. I know it's just limited overs, but still...weird. Technically, barring exceptional circumstances or your last name is Gayle or Pollard, you need to play the local competition in order to be eligible to play for the Windies in that format over the next year. The 4-day tournament should start afterward, let's see if he features in that.

Still, there are a few players to look out for in the tournament. The squads, for anyone interested. The matches should be live on YouTube via the Windies Cricket channel also.

Back to the opener conundrum. Should we start sending a certain son of the most-capped WI player on some A tours? Potential oozing out of his pores, but not a lot of exposure to international cricket. Let's just be happy he doesn't take the front-on stance of his father. It might be better to push him sooner rather than later, he's already been around for some years.

It might be something like what we often do in Drafts, push a regular number three up to open just because there's nobody else. That's why I said we could potentially push Brooks up to open when he returns to the team. And there really isn't anyone else, is there? Sunil Ambris? Don't make me laugh. We literally have nobody good as a specialist opener except for Brathwaite (pronounced "Braffit").

Right, other random talking points...

- Now look, every credit to Bonner and Mayers, but Mominul really didn't do the best job of captaincy, did he? And Mushy didn't exactly come forward to help him out much either. That's about the only reason Mushfiqur stays in the team, to be honest. He isn't keeping, Das is quite adequate at that job and he's a better batsman. But Mushfiqur's experience was much needed with both Tamim and Shakib off the field. You've got the opposition chasing a big score. An opposition who, in all honesty, if not outplayed...were definitely on the back foot for the better part of four days. Two debutants in the middle at the start of the fifth day. Attack the hell out of them, that should have been the plan. I'd have liked to see 4 men around the bat at all times. Slip, leg slip, silly point, short leg. Will the bowlers go for a few? Of course, but will chances happen? Damn right. Sometimes you need to get hit for a few to get a wicket. That's what Mushfiqur should have been saying to Mominul.

- That being said, I'm not sure the spinners really bowled attacking lines. Or even bowled to the fields set for them. And Bonner and Mayers seemed like they were batting on a net pitch in any case.

- I'm not a big fan of the way that the DRS is being used as a strategic option rather than a way to get rid of howlers. That was the original intent of the thing, but all too often you see the bowling team hesitating to use it because they just aren't sure and they only have a limited number of reviews. Mominul didn't use it twice for decisions that would have been out. Once for each batsman. Now there are ways to game the system and keep reviews even if they go against you, but it depends on the whole "umpire's call" scenario. I once did a mini-analysis on that, I should probably have a look into that again. Since I'm in my maths mood, I might just do it tonight. Dunno, .

- When I was relatively awake for when the two batsmen came out after tea, I chuckled a little. Why? Because they're showing the two batsmen heading out to the middle, a shot of their backs as they walk. The numbers on Bonner's shirt are so faded compared to Mayers. I kept thinking of how many times he was twelfth man and how many hours he spent in the field as a substitute. I thought to myself, "Yeah, it's finally your time in the playing XI, dude. Go brave." He went a bit too brave and lost his wicket shortly thereafter, but he won't be a twelfth for some time to come. Let's fade them numbers some more.

- Some of my friends (in the real world) asked me how come it was only Moseley who got the whole "cap presentation" ceremony when there were three debutants. Well, Mayers and Bonner have already represented the region in limited overs capacity. This was Moseley's first official international appearance. Hence the ceremony for him alone.

- The West Indies has been the team who has toured the most during the pandemic. After this series, it's going to be a massive relief for everyone involved to finally be back at home when this series is up. It can't be easy moving from bio-security to bio-security. We've won all of two Tests along the way as a touring team. We played the first international series with restrictions in place. Every single player deserves to be lauded, even those who opted out of this particular tour but played in the previous ones.

- A special commendation to Ian Bishop, who has been a part of more bio-secure bubbles than almost anyone related to cricket in the past year. That's dedication. Kinda helps that he's always booked to commentate whenever something special happens with the Windies. Best commentator in the region by far at present. Tries very hard to be unbiased, and it works, but still always manages to put out his passion for our cricket. (Funny aside, I think Danny Morrison during the CPL once mentioned something like, "And now we'll go to probably the tallest post-match ceremony ever, Ian Bishop is with our captains." Those captains? Six foot seven Jason Holder and six foot five Kieron Pollard, being interviewed by six foot five Bishop.)

Right, that might be enough of my randomness for one night. I'll go research on that DRS thing now.
 
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I had my suspicions it was that, wasn't 100% sure...hence me thinking it was unusual. Thanks for the link.

EDIT: To everyone/anyone I have ever interacted with on these forums, please keep yourselves safe. I'd like everyone and anyone still around (Even TRIPLE EDIT - Parth/Batman/Dumblydore...there is only room for one dore here btw, and that's qpeedore, just saying dude :lol @Albus P. W. B. Dumbledore .)

DOUBLE EDIT: The first half of this article...


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I guess it's not just the Windies who find a side hard to balance though...

:ban: :bat: Tamim Iqbal
:ban: :bat: Anamul Haque
:ban: :bat: Mominul Haque
:ban: :bat: Mushfiqur Rahim
:ban: :ar: Shakib Al Hasan Mosaddek Hossain
:ban: :wk: Liton Das
:ban: :ar: Mohammad Saifuddin
:ban: :ar: Mehidy Hasan
:ban: :bwl: Abu Hider or Taijul Islam
:ban: :bwl: Mustafizur Rahman
:ban: :bwl: Abu Jayed

I think that'd be pretty alright

Not sure if Saifuddin is durable enough to play test cricket as of now but he should be someone in the team long term on SENA tours. Taijul Islam is another mainstay, doubt they'll drop him. Agree on Jayed being a part of the team especially if Shakib can be the third spinner. As for Anamul Haque.. that is a name I haven't heard in a long time. Has never looked to be good at the international level despite bossing the domestic scene.

Nayeem Hasan is the big question mark. He clearly is extremely talented and has huge potential, but just where does he fit into the side at the moment? Against Zimbabwe they had to drop Mehidy to play him but the latter was out of form at that point. Doubt Mehidy is getting dropped anytime soon again after that stellar performance in the first test.
 

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Again, fell asleep somewhere around 5.30am and woke around 7.30. Seems to be a pattern I'm building here. If I'm planning on staying up all night I do actually need to actually, you know, plan.

If I absolutely had to drop a spinner it would be Nayeem. Historically, Bangladesh has built their reputation on left arm spinners (look back at their 2007 World Cup victory over India as perhaps one of the most perfect examples). So Taijul sort of has to play. Mehidy absolutely cannot be dropped after a century and 8 wickets in the first Test. So Nayeem falls on the chopping block going forward. Not for this series, he'll be picked for the next game most likely, but his long-term place is in doubt. Out of the three spinners, he was the least threatening, and the one who bowled the most out of proportion to his field setting. Is he a bad player? No, not by any means. Is he a bad bowler? Not at all. Is he young and wants to do his own thing? Yes, and that's where the issue comes. He needs a good captain.

Mominul is an excellent batsman. Not quite sure he's up to the captaincy level yet. Tamim should head the squad. Or even Mushy. Aggression is about the only option you have when you're leading a "weaker" team. You go for runs, sure, but you get wickets too.
 

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A few hours to go, I think?

The Tigers have a lot of thinking to do. They're without Shakib, who is by far their best player. Apparently Soumya Sarkar has done PCR testing and been in isolation since Feb 7th, but that's honestly not enough time for Covid to be relevant. They're also without opener Shadman Islam, who didn't play that bad in all honesty, but a hip injury prevents him from selection. Tamim needs an opening partner. Can Sarkar, usually a top order batsman, open alongside Tamim? His bowling can't be said to be anything great. It would have been a straight swap with Shakib and Jayed, but now Soumya actually has a real chance of playing. With how the squads are...well, might as well play him in the absence of another opener. Still wondering about Nayeem and Mushfiqur...but whatever.

Again, freak injuries aside, the Windies should not change that squad. At all. For better or worse. With the next pitch reportedly spinning more, Cornwall and Warrican might be into the game early. Bonner with his leg breaks might pick up a couple. Mayers restarts from zero. I'd say win the toss, score 350, and that's going to lead the game.

(EDIT: I should start planning to stay awake for a change, shouldn't I?)

(DOUBLE EDIT: I would never play Soumya. Not enough isolation. Negative tests be damned. Speaking from a position of...well...knowledge...here.)
 
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Right. So Sarkar played and his medium pace actually adds to the attack. No Rahman, a like-for-like swap with Jayed. Not a bad day for him actually.

- Campbell barely manages to hold onto a Test career. 36 is in all honesty not a very great score, but it's much better than the nonsense he's done prior. He seems to have realised that he's playing for his spot and wants to rectify that situation. His wicket was...I won't outright say controversial but there were some questions about it. In the end I think it has to stay with the umpire.

- Moseley continues to not impress. I don't want to axe a guy so soon after debuting him, but unless he comes big in the second innings he's just dead weight in the team. (EDIT: Quick aside, what is it with that unofficial cricket habit of putting the newest player under the helmet at short leg or silly point? Jeez, that isn't a throwaway fielding position you know. Ponting used to field there and was excellent at it. Sarwan didn't do at all badly close in as well. It's a position that seems to come witha high risk of injury but actually I don't remember the last time a player was injured that badly fielding close in. Why not put big Jimbo Cornwall close in? I guarantee you a batsman isn't going to be sweeping if all they can see is this large West Indian taking up half their field of vision.)

- Didn't expect Mayers to do anything special, and he didn't disappoint those expectations. But he sort of threw his wicket away, all the batsmen did, really. It wasn't excellent deliveries that got them out, it was poor batting.

- Da Silva continues to look good with the bat. My obvious reasons for supporting him aside, he's growing into a dependable player who can hold his own and keep things ticking in his own way. Not the usual swashbuckling manner of most wicketkeepers, he's prepared to bat time more than anything.

- We should have played Bonner eons ago. I've been wanting this guy to get a go for a long time now. A Test debut at 31 means he only has a few years at the top. But from what he's showing, those are gonna be some good years. Missed out last match, he's well set now. 26 to go for what will be a very good century.

- We've still got some batting to come. Cornwall can hold his own, you can perhaps count on Alzarri to get you 20odd if he's got an established player at the other end to help him out. Don't count on Gabriel to do a thing. He talks with the ball, not the bat. And I'll be honest, I haven't seen Warrican bat so I can't tell you a thing about him, but if he's that far down the order I don't expect a lot. If these two can keep building their partnership and then the others contribute when it's their time, I did mention that 350 in the first innings would boss this game.

Tomorrow will be an important day. We'll likely bat out the rest of the order and then get the chance to have a bowl. It's essential that we both continue on from the batting start that we've made and then bowl accurately and aggressively.
 
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About three hours to go. Won't be awake all night this time, unfortunately, but a very big day in the match for both teams. Bangladesh are going to want to get those final few wickets quickly. With this batting lineup, you feel that one wicket will expose a rather limited tail. The Windies are going to want to show that said tail can wag hard. You'll likely not see a lot of defense from those batsmen, and that's probably a good thing.

- Da Silva is looking good, he always has looked good while batting. Bonner...the words haven't been invented yet to describe how much he adds to this depleted squad and how good he's looked. He kissed the team crest on his cap when he got to fifty. I always love to see something like that. What he'll do after 26 more runs, I dunno. But I hope that da Silva will be at the other end to see him through.

- 350 is still on the cards, but it will take some application. The guys are full of belief though. We can get there.

- Sir Clive Lloyd, you beauty. Your letter to the team was pure magic, and an inspiration. Yeah, you're absolutely correct...success only comes before work in the dictionary. Let's hope that this team...my team...can continue to build.
 

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Well would you look at that? What a day for the West Indies.

- Bonner not getting to his century for the second innings in a row irks me. He's well-deserving of three figures. But I can't complain too much. The guy has played 3 innings with 2 fifties so far. Daren Bravo and Shamarh Brooks, look out. There's healthy competition for places 3-5 in the squad now.

- I'll be honest in saying that I didn't expect da Silva to get as many as he did. I expected, even mentally demanded, a fifty from him but didn't expect him to carry on as much as he did. Great batting on his part. Dowrich now finds his spot being challenged as well. Although his reason for opting out of this tour wasn't due to Covid and bio-security fatigue, it's always been stated as personal reasons (EDIT: a lot of times this means mental health issues). I hope that everything is going well for him, because I do think he's one of the better keeper-batsmen we have in recent times. Now that da Silva is both batting time and runs though, and with Nick Pooran already having stated more than once that his ultimate goal is to play Test cricket...well...we shouldn't have a problem with wicketkeepers for damn near a decade to come.

- Alzarri continues to impress with the bat. I dare say that he can potentially turn into a batting all rounder before long, and then maybe even a full fledged batsman. Remember Shiv Chanderpaul started off his Test career as a leg spinner who could bat a bit. The innings that defined him as a legit batsman, in my opinion, was that stay with Lara during the latter's 375. Also remember that Steve Smith started his Test career as a bowler. Averaging what, 60 or something now? Now those were spinners, and Alzarri's first job in the team is as a seamer. But a seamer who can get you an aggressive 30 runs on a consistent basis? Look at his sixes. Those weren't wild swipes, they were impactful hits. Yeah, I want that sort of player in my team. Bowling average not quite up to par yet though. That's not for lack of skill, he consistently bowls in the right areas. He just doesn't get rewards as much as he should. I think he's a much better bowler than what the numbers show.

- Shannon Gabriel, you absolute beast. You're not a batsman, where did those two top-order-batsman looking shots for boundaries come from? Those were really pretty shots to look at. Maybe you've got it in you to get 10ish regularly if you apply yourself. And of course, two early wickets helped. Still haven't forgiven you for throwing the match away against Pakistan a few years ago though.

- It isn't outside the realm of possibility that we can bowl the Tigers out before the follow-on target. I think that by tea tomorrow we'll have an answer one way or another. I think it's Mushfiqur in the middle now, he's looking good in the couple overs I saw when I woke up. I don't recall who was at the other end but they were batting at a strike rate of something like 10. If we do manage to get the next 6 wickets for the 100 or so before tea, I say enforce the follow-on. Anything after tea then it would be better to give the bowlers a bit of a rest, even if the option of the follow-on is there.

- We had a good first day, but you'd still probably say that Bangladesh were still in the game. 220odd and one wicket before the tail, the match was relatively even. 300, 320 maximum if things went Bangladesh's way. After today though, the West Indies are well and truly on top. We got past 300 and then 400, and Bangladesh's top order has gone cheaply.

- I mentioned earlier that close-in fielders always seem to have a high risk of injury but I've hardly ever really seen a major injury happening. I partly take that back. Shanto copped a pretty nasty blow. Gonna be more than a bit of bruising, it was good to see him come out to bat in his allotted position, even if he didn't last that long, playing at a wider one that was perhaps better left alone.

- These are supposed to be two very comparable Test nations. In the meta picture, Bangladesh are better since we're missing a few players and they thoroughly routed us in the ODI series and for four days in the first Test. But looking at things as they stand now, you'd swear that they are just on the verge of being outclassed. There will be selection headaches for this Windies squad when the others return. I'll address that after the match, because right now apart from Moseley and Campbell, everyone has more than done enough to stay in the team.

That's it from me until later this pm.
 
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It's officially pm now. Just past midday ECT.

- Downtime at work. Managed to see the stumping appeal against Cornwall. Closer than you'd think, the guy is rather top-heavy after all. At first glance I actually thought he was bowled. Liton Das did that good of a job behind the stumps. But Jimbo was well grounded. I'd like to say that I think he's batting a bit low, but in this lineup that's sort of where he has to be. Push him as a nightwatchman though and you'll probably get a Gillespie innings out of him.

- What with my team playing so well and the regional Super50 in progress, I haven't had the chance to check out any of the other international series. And because the match times overlap heavily, it's hard to choose. I'm always for the Windies, that's my team win or lose, but really there are other matches around that need a bit of attention.

- Chase will return in the next international series. A good batsman, at times a good bowler. We're only playing the two specialist spinners because of the pitches in Bangladesh. Who gets dropped? Cornwall for his lack of batting chances? Warrican for actually being a good bowler but not a good batsman? Both because Chase has been working hard on bowling better? It's hard to tell, I really wouldn't want to drop either Cornwall or Warrican but one of the two needs to go. Maybe Warrican because that hairstyle...gosh, can you even say millenial?

- It's been a tour of ups and downs for this West Indies team. We can end it very much up. In New Zealand we didn't do as well as I expected. It's not even about the Test Championship either. It's just about playing good cricket, and I've seen more than enough to show me that we can play good cricket. Good on you guys, when you return to the Caribbean your downtime will be well-earned. Don't settle for a drawn Test here, go for the internal jugular and win.
 

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A couple points to mention from that article.

As per Alzarri Joseph : "[Da Silva's] encouragement to build partnerships, to look at small totals, every ten runs, start over from zero again to score another ten runs, and again another ten runs, and in a matter of no time, we had an 80-run partnership."

That's...the sort of mentality you'd expect from a player much beyond his years. Keeping it down to just a few runs at a time and then restarting, not often seen with young players. Excellent cricket mindset. I don't think he even looks at the scoreboard either. He just bats. I think that's one of the better types of players - one who doesn't quite care about what the scores say, just plays his game. 92, you are, according to my late grandpa (and papa I miss you so much), "coming to come". Keep it up.

"Da Silva gives West Indies an interesting little conundrum when Dowrich becomes available in the near future. Certainly, a competition for the wicketkeeping spot will strengthen the Test side."

Yep, I've mentioned that. But he can actually be picked on batting alone. Gonna be interesting next series, which would be at home against Sri Lanka, another comparable team against us.

Oh my, the West Indies team actually has me smiling for the first time in a long while. We're on the up. Competition for places, where good players have to be left out. Oh, what good times. I might decry my team often, but they will always remain my team. And there is nobody in the entire world who will make me like any other team.

EDIT: Currently watching the Super50 regional with the Leewards (Hurricanes I think? Although if you're Leeward you don't exactly get wind but whatever...) against the Guyana Jaguars (now that's a sweet and accurate name for a team). Kieron Powell might be a Test opening option, I do remember him opening with Brathwaite a few times. He's looking pretty decent in this tournament thus far. Building up to an international return? We'll see.
 
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A couple points to mention from that article.

As per Alzarri Joseph : "[Da Silva's] encouragement to build partnerships, to look at small totals, every ten runs, start over from zero again to score another ten runs, and again another ten runs, and in a matter of no time, we had an 80-run partnership."

That's...the sort of mentality you'd expect from a player much beyond his years. Keeping it down to just a few runs at a time and then restarting, not often seen with young players. Excellent cricket mindset. I don't think he even looks at the scoreboard either. He just bats. I think that's one of the better types of players - one who doesn't quite care about what the scores say, just plays his game. 92, you are, according to my grandpa, "coming to come". Keep it up.

"Da Silva gives West Indies an interesting little conundrum when Dowrich becomes available in the near future. Certainly, a competition for the wicketkeeping spot will strengthen the Test side."

Yep, I've mentioned that. But he can actually be picked on batting alone. Gonna be interesting next series, which would be at home against Sri Lanka, another comparable team against us.

Oh my, the West Indies team actually has me smiling for the first time in a long while. We're on the up. Competition for places, where good players have to be left out. Oh, what good times. I might decry my team often, but they will always remain my team. And there is nobody in the entire world who will make me like any other team.

EDIT: Currently watching the Super50 regional with the Leewards (Hurricanes I think? Although if you're Leeward you don't exactly get wind but whatever...) against the Guyana Jaguars (now that's a sweet and accurate name for a team). Kieron Powell might be a Test opening option, I do remember him opening with Brathwaite a few times. He's looking pretty decent in this tournament thus far. Building up to an international return? We'll see.
John Campbell is one person that has a worse test match average than Kieron Powell. Is Devon Smith not still playing?
 

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