Facing the facts of history - Windies greater than Aussies

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Fazeer Mohammad said:
Let's get something straight here.

It is one thing to lament the seemingly unstoppable slide of West Indies cricket from incomparable superiority to almost laughable mediocrity. No-one can seriously argue either that the decline has been pretty much the result of our indifference and incompetence at all levels, even if we often lean on issues like restrictions in English county cricket and the modification of playing conditions and financial arrangements by the International Cricket Council in the hope of deflecting some of the responsibility for what essentially amounts to complacency and negligence on the part of the people of the Caribbean.
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Fazeer Mohammad said:
So we're talking about 15 years unbeaten in Test series. In contrast, Australia haven't even managed a four-year stretch of invincibility, losing series in India in 1998, Sri Lanka in 2001, England in 2005 and now in India again just a week ago.

You can decorate these realities as much as you want, they won't change, although perceptions of the relevant periods are influenced by inferences that West Indian dominance by speed was just not cricket and it was repressive, monotonous, patently unfair and allegedly turned millions of people away from the game.
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You know, when I read the first, that's exactly what I thought.

"Ben is going to fight this one to the death, here we go again"
 
Well, I think this sentence from Fazeer sums everything up:

Fazeer Mohammad said:
So we're talking about 15 years unbeaten in Test series. In contrast, Australia haven't even managed a four-year stretch of invincibility, losing series in India in 1998, Sri Lanka in 2001, England in 2005 and now in India again just a week ago.
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We lost to Sri Lanka in 1999, not 2001. The guy can't even get his facts straight.

Oh, and I wouldn't swap our history for theirs even if you put a gun to my head.
 
I don't have to fight this one to death. I'm always right and if I'm wrong then I don't bother posting in a thread to begin with.

We've got better Opening Batsman (Hayden & Langer), Better Middle-Order (Ponting, Steve Waugh), A much better wicketkeeper (Adam Gilchrist) and spin bowlers (Shane Warne & Stuart MacGil) and the best pace bowler (Glenn McGrath) with Curtly Ambrose being on par with him.

Then again, I expect King_Pietersen to come on here and slaunder my opinion of that Hayden is better then Greenidge or Haynes (can't even remember which one he thinks is better then Hayden) but in my opinion, that's like comparing Mark Waugh's career record to Steve Waugh's.
 
Ponting_14 said:
We lost to Sri Lanka in 1999, not 2001. The guy can't even get his facts straight.

Oh, and I wouldn't swap our history for theirs even if you put a gun to my head.
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Does Australia really have a history or they're only popular today ?

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aussie_ben91 said:
I don't have to fight this one to death. I'm always right and if I'm wrong then I don't bother posting in a thread to begin with.

We've got better Opening Batsman (Hayden & Langer), Better Middle-Order (Ponting, Steve Waugh), A much better wicketkeeper (Adam Gilchrist) and spin bowlers (Shane Warne & Stuart MacGil) and the best pace bowler (Glenn McGrath) with Curtly Ambrose being on par with him.

Then again, I expect King_Pietersen to come on here and slaunder my opinion of that Hayden is better then Greenidge or Haynes (can't even remember which one he thinks is better then Hayden) but in my opinion, that's like comparing Mark Waugh's career record to Steve Waugh's.
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You listing all these players saying they are better without even knowing who you are comparing thoes aussie players to.
 
Hayden & Langer > Greenidge & Haynes
Ricky Ponting > Viv Richards
Steve Waugh > Richie Richardson (Guy with the brim hat)
Adam Gilchrist > Geoffry Dujon
Shane Warne > Any West Indian spinner
Glenn McGrath > Any West Indian pace bowler from the 70s/80s (Only Curtly Ambrose is better then McGrath)

And don't bring up this "no helmet" issue either. I've watched Australia A vs Australia matches and players like Ponting, Langer, etc, all never wore helmets to the pace bowlers. I've seen bowlers bowl 150kph+ on television and there is no way you could constantly face bowlers like that without a helmet and not getting hit atleast once and getting killed.
 
aussie_ben91 said:
Hayden & Langer > Greenidge & Haynes
Ricky Ponting > Viv Richards
Steve Waugh > Richie Richardson (Guy with the brim hat)
Adam Gilchrist > Geoffry Dujon
Shane Warne > Any West Indian spinner
Glenn McGrath > Any West Indian pace bowler from the 70s/80s (Only Curtly Ambrose is better then McGrath)

And don't bring up this "no helmet" issue either. I've watched Australia A vs Australia matches and players like Ponting, Langer, etc, all never wore helmets to the pace bowlers. I've seen bowlers bowl 150kph+ on television and there is no way you could constantly face bowlers like that without a helmet and not getting hit atleast once and getting killed.
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well you would be crazy to say that Australia has a better pace bowling attack.
and stop ignoring Malcolm Marshall who is better than McGrath or any other pace bowler for that matter. and Sobers>>> any Aussie batsman hands down.
I wouldn't rate Langer higher than GG, or Haynes. Hayden obviously but not Langer.

and are you really that sure that Ponting is that much better than Viv.
 
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