Have India gone soft?

I don't think it would be a bad idea to bring back Dravid in the ODI frame. We need the stability he provides in the middle order IMO.

Tendulkar
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Dhoni
Raina
Irfan/Uthappa

Not bad.
 
I don't think it would be a bad idea to bring back Dravid in the ODI frame. We need the stability he provides in the middle order IMO.

Tendulkar
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Dhoni
Raina
Irfan/Uthappa

Not bad.

Not now. Dravid had a below average SL tour in the test series. He doesnt have the credentials (i.e. good test form) for him to comeback in the ODI team. Yes, he is a solid player but now that the youngsters have been persisted with, you got to continue with them. We saw what happened when Ganguly was brought back as a quick fix measure during the 2007 World Cup. He batted very slowly, and was never the same Ganguly in the ODI's though he scored quite a few runs.
 
I don't understand why after just one match we start bringing back Agarkars and Dravids. I'm sure the current lot is good enough if there is a sense of stability in them for their spots. We need to back these guys and not go back in the past. I agree with Sai on Dravid. It will be a repeated case where earlier it was Ganguly. I don't see Dravid coming back in ODIs.
 
I don't understand why after just one match we start bringing back Agarkars and Dravids. I'm sure the current lot is good enough if there is a sense of stability in them for their spots. We need to back these guys and not go back in the past. I agree with Sai on Dravid. It will be a repeated case where earlier it was Ganguly. I don't see Dravid coming back in ODIs.

LOL, how the hell are you lumping Agarkar and Rahul Dravid together?!

I don't think it would be a bad idea. We need to strike a balance in the team. Its okay if Dravid bats 'slowly', we need some stability to prevent batting collapses like the lat match.

It is not after one bad match, it is this fact that when this young Indian team fails they fail miserably.
 
LOL, how the hell are you lumping Agarkar and Rahul Dravid together?!

I don't think it would be a bad idea. We need to strike a balance in the team. Its okay if Dravid bats 'slowly', we need some stability to prevent batting collapses like the lat match.

It is not after one bad match, it is this fact that when this young Indian team fails they fail miserably.

Dravid might bring stability but the question is for how long?

These youngsters will have to play sooner or later. I prefer them playing sooner and gaining valuable experience. I think everyone agrees that SL matches are becoming an overkill. So if thats the case, why not test mettle of the young players never tried before. Who knows what gem we might unearth!

Even if we don't unearth any gem, atleast they will gain the match experience of performing under pressure on tracks which they aren't comfortable with. Yes we might see some embarrassing losses because of this approach, but like I said since this series does not have that much significance to India (because of overkill) then they don't have much to lose by trying out this method!
 
That's pretty much like retaining most of the 2007 t20 squad. I support it. But I guess India has to depend on rotation policy. We can't keep the good players off the game all the while to test out new people.
 
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We can't keep the good players off the game all the while to test out new people.

I agree, we cant keep them off all the while, but I still feel India need to start blooding some new players. They don't have to try them out during an important series, but series which have relatively less significance for them (example this current series).
 
In my opinion, India are at a bit of a dead end. Playing in the sub continent is easy enough when the pitch offers nothing and the bowlers generally just try and be economical until the pitch offers turn and then the spinners come in. But as soon as they go elsewhere where the pitches move and the ball swings, then they struggle most of the time.

You have Sehwag at the top of the order who is fantastic at opening in India, but as soon as the ball moves he seems to struggle due to his lack of foot movement. When Sachin and Dravid go, there is going to be a massive whole it seems at the moment. Gambhir is a cracking batsman though and will do well for years to come.

But how do India improve? The best thing to do is to let the pitches have a much greener tinge to them and get a lot more movement in the wicket. But if they do that in an International series then they might get rolled over and there is no way they want to lose, so instead they keep the tracks flatter than a pancake.

The best thing for them to do would be to get the pitches moving in the domestic scene so people can get a go at the moving track and ball, because while India may be force at the moment in the SC, when Sachin & Dravid go and they get to the moving pitches, things could be a lot different.

@ Cricketman - If you want stability, wouldn't Pujara be a better option than Dravid...

The thread failed when someone mentioned Agarkar. Course, he rips apart domestic teams, but India's domestic system is massively flawed. Joginder Sharma had amazing stats. Some Indian domestic pitches have green-ish tinges on them, and bowlers bowl well on them. It's more an issue of the batsmen batting well on these sort of pitches, which very few batsmen do. Plus, without proper fast bowlers, we're never going to win on flat pitches more often I reckon. Not to mention, the quality of spinners in India is going down as well.

I also don't like Irfan Pathan as an option. He doesn't seem to have the ability to swing the ball anymore. Gosh, he gets smacked around in the IPL quite often by domestic Indian batsmen.

Robin Uthappa should get a go though. Horrific domestic season, because Karnataka played on bowler-friendly pitches generally. HOWEVER, on flat sub-continental pitches, Uthappa is definitely a better finisher than most, and can also play as the back-up wicketkeeper.
 
Scott Styris responded with "Players in the subcontinent generally don't like the ball anywhere above the waist," which is 100% true and I have to commend Styris for finally saying what we've all been thinking. India need to stop whining about the pitch and start playing cricket.

This is real rich coming from an out-and-out mediocre player who is talking about a country that has produced batting demi gods.
 
Get Sachin in the team then we'll talk about this waist high crap...:p
 
Not very sure about this. All I can remember his two consecutive centuries, nothing else. :)

You're forgetting 8 fifties. He has 2 centuries and 8 fifties from 28 innings, average of 45 with a SR of 80, which is really good for a beginner. He hasn't done anything to get dropped.

Rohit Sharma, on the other hand, has done everything to get dropped. He's had 2 hundreds and 5 fifties, but from 48 innings. His strike rate is also lower, and his good scores always come when India lose, so he's not a match winner.

India's 15 man squad should look like this for the world cup:

Tendulkar
Sehwag
Gambhir
Kohli/Irfan Pathan (if Irfan is chosen, he should bat above Harbhajan)
Yuvraj/Pujara (I don't know what Pujara has to do to get on the team)
Dhoni
Raina
Harbhajan Singh
Zaheer Khan
Ashish Nehra/Pragyan Ojha depending on pitch and conditions
Sreesanth
 
If Pujara is going to be chosen, he's not going to bat at 5...that's moronic. Pujara is an accumulator, not an aggressor. Ideally, I'd rather play Kohli as the accumulator, as he has more experience. Kohli or Pujara, wouldn't carry both in the squad.
 
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Pujara in ODI's? I would start off with bringing him into test cricket. He is more suited for test cricket. What did Pujara do in the IPL? I am not sure if he has been in great form in recent times in limited overs cricket.
 
I don't think I will make my view on a player on the basis of his performance in IPL. Pujara has got the same thing going for him now as Dravid got for him when people said he couldn't play in ODIs. I'm sure Pujara would make a fantastic batsman for India in ODIs if given proper chances.
 
I don't think I will make my view on a player on the basis of his performance in IPL.

:clap

Some of the posts here are ridiculous, "he sucked in IPL so lets debut him in Test, it must mean he is a Test player if he can't slog" :facepalm
 

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