A problem in DBC 17 PC

[Deleted member 46200]

Must be the pirates fault while there are so many issues with the game

I can understand the frustration but feel it isn't an excuse for bad programming... I just feel he's making the point about protecting the product with DRM software. needs more clarification on support for Pirates, maybe sick parrots or some hooks need greasing or the spare eye patches have gone missing. I'm joking but anyone with wrong code shouldn't get support... Isn't this what DRM proves?

 

[Deleted member 46200]

And you of course are the designated spokesperson of the PC Community....good to know.

I can feel an election coming on?

I think everyone has the right to voice their opinion but this must be done in a grown up manner. It is easy to get carried away when frustrated so my advice would be to take two deep breaths and then have a think about what to write. No one here is a spokesperson for anyone... Although I may tip the balance in favour of talking crap. This past comment is exempt.[DOUBLEPOST=1487283974][/DOUBLEPOST]

You have every right to protect the game and i hope BA games keep coming on pc

This goes without saying and will be more 'rolled' out and perfected in the future. However, I don't talk as an industry expert it just seems like common sense in the current climate.

 

[blockerdave]

Oh get over it. Throughout both games plus the rugby league series I've done my fair share to assist them as they required. The rubbish needs to be called out for what it is and blaming pirates for releasing a crap game is a massive cop out. There's so many annoying problems or features removed from this game he doesn't deserve a pass or have his backside kissed just because he's active. If you want to hang off his PM box then go to his own forum and do it. The game annoys me and I'll vent my annoyance when I see it appropriate.

Besides, what did I say that was wrong? The game was awful on release without any pirates "taking away from the development of the game" that's just his usual BS to take jabs at the PC community that he hates so much.

I'm not sure he actually blamed the pirates for the issues? Equally it's undeniable that if they take time investigating issues reported by pirates before coming to the conclusion the issue is due to the DRM or whatever then there is an opportunity cost in terms of investigating "real" issues. (And no, that doesn't excuse releasing the game without basic shots which was a major oversight but equally was acknowledged and rectified quickly.) (And once more for luck: issues!)

I think it's also a bit much to say BA/@Ross hate the PC community- if that were so why bother releasing it on the format? It's hardly a major sales platform.

I don't think Dutch, BA or anyone would argue the release of the game has been great. But the game is still at heart a very good one. I've had some major frustrations with logo bugs, and i'm frustrated/baffeled/annoyed at losing customisation options that were in DBC 14. But equally there is an element of rose tinted specs I think from you as you played the last game with Franco's hack. Take that hack away and DBC14 can't hold a candle to DBC17.

I think the biggest criticism that can be thrown at BA is overreaching there grasp: elements such as the logo creator and stadium creator were added before all the core elements were nailed down; being first iterations they're a little under developed and have introduced other issues. If the core elements were tip top that'd be fine, when they're not frustrations increase. I get that and have felt the same.

That said, I am not gonna crucify them for trying to give us too much.

 

[First.Last]

We have at least 3-4 pirates every day asking for support. They're on Twitter, FB, everywhere - none, NONE, have been legitimate - this is an issue that costs us resources that take away from the development of the game but without the protection I would not invest in a PC version of any of our games in the future.

Im sorry but i cant resist pointing out that of the 3-4 pirates everyday asking for support, it kind of makes sense that none of their concerns are legitimate... as they are pirates...

 

[First.Last]

And you of course are the designated spokesperson of the PC Community....good to know.

You of course being bigants designated white knight...

 

[Deleted member 46200]

Im sorry but i cant resist pointing out that of the 3-4 pirates everyday asking for support, it kind of makes sense that none of their concerns are legitimate... as they are pirates...

So how do they know they are pirates do they ring up with Cornish accents? Go on about pieces of eight or just come across as slightly inebriated and aggressive. Jokes aside, there must be a way of verifying true product from 'stolen' code. Doesn't steam have some kind of process to do this if it isn't downloaded through DRM then it's iffy as...[DOUBLEPOST=1487285937][/DOUBLEPOST]

You of course being bigants designated white knight...

Two wrongs don't make a right calm down let's stick with he issues in hand.

 

[Deleted member 46200]

I'm not sure he actually blamed the pirates for the issues? Equally it's undeniable that if they take time investigating issues reported by pirates before coming to the conclusion the issue is due to the DRM or whatever then there is an opportunity cost in terms of investigating "real" issues. (And no, that doesn't excuse releasing the game without basic shots which was a major oversight but equally was acknowledged and rectified quickly.) (And once more for luck: issues!)

I think it's also a bit much to say BA/@Ross hate the PC community- if that were so why bother releasing it on the format? It's hardly a major sales platform.

I don't think Dutch, BA or anyone would argue the release of the game has been great. But the game is still at heart a very good one. I've had some major frustrations with logo bugs, and i'm frustrated/baffeled/annoyed at losing customisation options that were in DBC 14. But equally there is an element of rose tinted specs I think from you as you played the last game with Franco's hack. Take that hack away and DBC14 can't hold a candle to DBC17.

I think the biggest criticism that can be thrown at BA is overreaching there grasp: elements such as the logo creator and stadium creator were added before all the core elements were nailed down; being first iterations they're a little under developed and have introduced other issues. If the core elements were tip top that'd be fine, when they're not frustrations increase. I get that and have felt the same.

That said, I am not gonna crucify them for trying to give us too much.

Always a long term project the patches for DBC 14 were also added in overtime I have commented on this before and it has been discussed (to the death) BA in DBC 17 are trying new things for this they should be praised but scolded like naughty children for taking stuff out (stats) however, in a few months time we will be all full faced and closed eyed smiley as we bask in glory... I hope.

 

[Bluebagger]

And you of course are the designated spokesperson of the PC Community....good to know.

Never claimed I was but its good to know you had fluff with no response. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list. Cheers.

I can understand the frustration but feel it isn't an excuse for bad programming... I just feel he's making the point about protecting the product with DRM software. needs more clarification on support for Pirates, maybe sick parrots or some hooks need greasing or the spare eye patches have gone missing. I'm joking but anyone with wrong code shouldn't get support... Isn't this what DRM proves?

That's fine to protect the program but it's a massive cop out to say that pirates are holding up development when it shipped with problems that haven't been fixed.

@blockerdave honestly I'm not even at the point of comparing it to 14. I find it ridiculous that 2 months after console release I still can't set a field when bowling. I can't even get the pitch conditions before I adjust my line up, it's great picking 4 seamers on a dustbowl or 3 spinners on a green top. I could go on and this isn't the place.

 

[Deleted member 46200]

Never claimed I was but its good to know you had fluff with no response. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list. Cheers.



That's fine to protect the program but it's a massive cop out to say that pirates are holding up development when it shipped with problems that haven't been fixed.

@blockerdave honestly I'm not even at the point of comparing it to 14. I find it ridiculous that 2 months after console release I still can't set a field when bowling. I can't even get the pitch conditions before I adjust my line up, it's great picking 4 seamers on a dustbowl or 3 spinners on a green top. I could go on and this isn't the place.

Maybe he's having his male period, I kind of get what he's saying but it's just coming out as a rant. I would PM him to try mums.net but he is ignoring me.

 

[fanirama]

Hahaha... I hope BigAnt pushes out more updates that messes up their game and system as well... A few suggestions I have are: make players drunk with the screen shake etc. like in GTA, make the ball a floaty beach ball, introduce gravity and make players all float, make the bat a noodle that is very squishy and floaty.

Oh! and constant rain and strict online checks and DRM that cripples their box

 

[First.Last]

Never claimed I was but its good to know you had fluff with no response. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list. Cheers.



That's fine to protect the program but it's a massive cop out to say that pirates are holding up development when it shipped with problems that haven't been fixed.

@blockerdave honestly I'm not even at the point of comparing it to 14. I find it ridiculous that 2 months after console release I still can't set a field when bowling. I can't even get the pitch conditions before I adjust my line up, it's great picking 4 seamers on a dustbowl or 3 spinners on a green top. I could go on and this isn't the place.

Just had a thought, what if were all pirates? it certainly would explain alot... maybe its all a conspiracy! :P

 

[BigAntStudios]

FFS! Never said they were taking all of our resources, it does slow us down to support people we later find are pirates, it does have some impact and it's fair enough for me to say that.

We've done a few patches, there will be more, we are working on the game, just because you have no visibility of it does not mean it's not happening.

FWIW I was responding to the idea that the game not have protection in place.

PS: At the current trajectory the PC game will make a loss - it's only "value" is as a way of testing patches faster than we can on Console.

 

[First.Last]

FFS! Never said they were taking all of our resources, it does slow us down to support people we later find are pirates, it does have some impact and it's fair enough for me to say that.

We've done a few patches, there will be more, we are working on the game, just because you have no visibility of it does not mean it's not happening.

FWIW I was responding to the idea that the game not have protection in place.

PS: At the current trajectory the PC game will make a loss - it's only "value" is as a way of testing patches faster than we can on Console.

Does it slow you down tho? if we take your previous statement of "3-4 pirates/day", then factor in the fact that you must know almost immediately they are pirates because they are experiencing game issues that you at bigant designed specifically for pirates... how much time can that possibly take to ignore them? 10 minutes? 20 minutes at best??

Perhaps, and this is just a guess, but im feeling that the community would LOVE some form of blog or journal or smoke signal system where you guys tell us what your fixing... seriously, someone at the office could take 20-30 minutes each week to update us on what is happening/what your working on - when the patch ends up coming out 2-3 hours later than it would have otherwise, well be ok with it!! really!!

PS: if the pc game didnt have so many bugs, perhaps it might have gotten better reviews on steam etc, then you might have sold more copies... food for thought...

PPS: FFS is not a good way to respond to customers, EVER!!

 

[sandy50]

We have at least 3-4 pirates every day asking for support. They're on Twitter, FB, everywhere - none, NONE, have been legitimate - this is an issue that costs us resources that take away from the development of the game but without the protection I would not invest in a PC version of any of our games in the future.

Bang on mate! But please don't stop making PC versions. Note that you have many more loyal PC customers like me..who bought the game on day one.

 

[sandy50]

FFS! Never said they were taking all of our resources, it does slow us down to support people we later find are pirates, it does have some impact and it's fair enough for me to say that.

We've done a few patches, there will be more, we are working on the game, just because you have no visibility of it does not mean it's not happening.

FWIW I was responding to the idea that the game not have protection in place.

PS: At the current trajectory the PC game will make a loss - it's only "value" is as a way of testing patches faster than we can on Console.

So for you the only reason to release the game on PC is a way of testing patches faster than we can on consoles? I'm sorry to say but this statement of your's makes a loyal PC customer like me sad. And mind you there are many more loyal PC customers like me. As far as piracy is so concerned, no matter how low you price the game people are gonna pirate it and can never be turned into your potential customers..because they will only play if they get it for free, you can't make them buy your game even you price it as low as you can.