BCCI Wants $42 mil from WICB

Your analogy is hugely out of proportion.

1) The vast majority of these tickets were payed for before the squad was even announced. - How do you know exactly. Work for the BCCI, or the stadiums?
2) West Indians cricketers are barely legends of world cricket right now. - Are you kidding BRavo, Pollard, Sammy are among the most popular players in the IPL. Ind fans want to watch them, so their presence naturally affects sales.
3) You and your mates playing a game of football is hardly comparative to professional high class domestic cricketers, the majority of which will already have some international experience and most likely all 2nd team games. - Some 15 guys no has fking heard of is the same thing as a list of stars fans see and love season in and season out in their T20 league. Yeah Right !
4) The squad was never released as a guarantee to the public. It is meant to be information for the ICC so they could regulate the players and make sure they are all qualified. - And yet, after the squad is announced all you see on TV and hoardings are the players who are in the squad. Those players influence the decision on whether to buy tickets or not. A Top WI side announced, I wanna watch, 15 guys I have never heard of, I will save my 10 bucks thx very much.
 
Well there we go mate. You have your opinion I have mine, As far as I know from what I've heard and looking at a few documents I'm highly doubtful there's any requirements stating "we will only play you if the following players are in your team..." in the legally binding contracts ,and therefore India would have only signed to play a West Indian representative team, and if there is then it would be practically impossible to regulate.

Anyway, thats most likely goodnight from me.
 
If nothing is mentioned in the contract about relative quality of players; then India are up shit creek without a paddle legally. If the WICB offered to send a replacement team to play in the series and the BCCI rejected; then its them who've broken the terms by cancelling the series.

Also lol at announced squads being a guarantee that certain players will agree: many people who went to the last Ashes test last year expected to see Trott and Swann play for England, yet one had gone home and the other had retired by the time that the game came around, and instead people had Scott Borthwick; who probably is the definition of "a player that no one has heard of"; called in for that test. Injuries, personal tragedies or labour disputes can happen; and all of these can and have changed the players who play in a game of cricket.
 
If nothing is mentioned in the contract about relative quality of players; then India are up shit creek without a paddle legally. If the WICB offered to send a replacement team to play in the series and the BCCI rejected; then its them who've broken the terms by cancelling the series.

Also lol at announced squads being a guarantee that certain players will agree: many people who went to the last Ashes test last year expected to see Trott and Swann play for England, yet one had gone home and the other had retired by the time that the game came around, and instead people had Scott Borthwick; who probably is the definition of "a player that no one has heard of"; called in for that test. Injuries, personal tragedies or labour disputes can happen; and all of these can and have changed the players who play in a game of cricket.

Same Argument -

Announce there will a match Team 1 vs Team 2. Then announce the teams, Team 1 - Messi, Zidane, Xavi, etc. Team 2 - Ronaldo, Iniesta, Ibra, etc. Then sell tickets, and have a multi million dollar sponsorship deal. Then on the day of the match, tell the crowd, that there was a pay dispute as none of those players were willing to play for the pennies you were offering them, so instead Team 1 and Team 2 will feature you and your friends mucking about for 90 mins.

If any one complains or wants their money back you can offer them the same arguments, namely -

1) Those players could have been injured and not turned up, so, them not turning up over a payment dispute is really the same thing. :D
2) WTF are you lot moaning about, I promised you a football match and you bought tickets to a football match and got a football match. :D
3) I arranged replacement teams so while its not the one I promised you, but after the payment dispute its the strongest one I could arrange, so its all the same thing really.
 
OK; what about this argument: There's a Test series between England and India in India; while there's either a Lions or performance programme tour in Sri Lanka that starts a fortnight earlier. The day before the England team was clear to leave for India; an Icelandic volcano starts erupting and the resulting ash cloud causes all flights in the vast majority of Europe to be grounded for a couple of weeks (this is actually something that happened). The ECB and the BCCI, not wanting to lose the start of the tour are forced to accept that there may be a possibility of either cancelling the first test or using the Lions/PP team as England's first test team. The First Test goes ahead as scheduled, while the actual England test squad arrives on the morning of the second day to begin preparations for the Second Test.

There are of course some minor problems in this argument (the fact that cricket players would fly more than a fortnight before a tour to India for example, and the fact that the ECB wouldn't just take the players to the nearest airport with flights to India), however unless the contract is written specifically to say that the existence of a pay dispute would deny the right of the visiting team to select whatever representative squad that it wishes, they are legally identical. The fact that one is a dispute over pay and the other is an act of God is irrelevant, since they are both factors in which the WICB is forced to alter their representative team. I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of the matter (cricket fans have plenty reasons to be annoyed when this sort of thing happens), I'm just saying that I don't see how the BCCI can claim money when the WICB did all that they could to ensure that the series would continue while the matter was being dealt with. Besides, its not like the BCCI hasn't recently decided to reduce the size of an away tour to fit in a home tour, costing a cricket board a fair amount of cash and also one of crickets traditional matches, is it?
 
Besides, its not like the BCCI hasn't recently decided to reduce the size of an away tour to fit in a home tour, costing a cricket board a fair amount of cash and also one of crickets traditional matches, is it?

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ya right we landed in SA and then pulled out is that the story, i dont see how you can even compare these 2. SA were given notice much prior to the tour that all is not well between the both boards, and its was pathetic they went out and announced the tour without even mutual consent.

There is quite a difference between revenue loss and actual loss.

the difference being one pair of couple broke up due to issues before marriage and called off the wedding, the other couple the bride\groom decided to runaway in the middle of the wedding!
 
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The fact that one is a dispute over pay and the other is an act of God is irrelevant,

not really one would be unforeseen circumstances or natural disaster in the contract, i dont think the players pulling out fits into any of those categories.

I think we will get to know this better once the legal procedures start.
 
OK; what about this argument: There's a Test series between England and India in India; while there's either a Lions or performance programme tour in Sri Lanka that starts a fortnight earlier. The day before the England team was clear to leave for India; an Icelandic volcano starts erupting and the resulting ash cloud causes all flights in the vast majority of Europe to be grounded for a couple of weeks (this is actually something that happened). The ECB and the BCCI, not wanting to lose the start of the tour are forced to accept that there may be a possibility of either cancelling the first test or using the Lions/PP team as England's first test team. The First Test goes ahead as scheduled, while the actual England test squad arrives on the morning of the second day to begin preparations for the Second Test.

There are of course some minor problems in this argument (the fact that cricket players would fly more than a fortnight before a tour to India for example, and the fact that the ECB wouldn't just take the players to the nearest airport with flights to India), however unless the contract is written specifically to say that the existence of a pay dispute would deny the right of the visiting team to select whatever representative squad that it wishes, they are legally identical. The fact that one is a dispute over pay and the other is an act of God is irrelevant, since they are both factors in which the WICB is forced to alter their representative team. I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of the matter (cricket fans have plenty reasons to be annoyed when this sort of thing happens), I'm just saying that I don't see how the BCCI can claim money when the WICB did all that they could to ensure that the series would continue while the matter was being dealt with. Besides, its not like the BCCI hasn't recently decided to reduce the size of an away tour to fit in a home tour, costing a cricket board a fair amount of cash and also one of crickets traditional matches, is it?

See its not the same thing. Its about what is the essence of a contract.

In the ash example, you promised a side, which couldn't go because there was an act of nature, you cannot control that, and for violation of contracts, act of god is a perfect defence. Similarly, for injury ,if a player gets injured there is noting you can do about it.

With a pay dispute though the dynamics change. The reason why is that you are commiting to field players, with whom you have no such agreement in place. Its like me offering Messi in the example above, even though Messi and I have no agreement that he will play in the match. This could be either because I never even approached Messi, or if I did approach him but the finances were not agreed upon, or even if I am very sure Messi will take the deal, but there is room for him to back off.

So I am offering something I know I cannot deliver, and thus its fraud. It would be another thing if Messi and I had an agreement, but he got injured at the last minute, and then there is nothing one can do. However if I don't even have an agreement with Messi to begin with, then I am commiting fraud if I tell people Messi will feature in the match.

Similarly, WICB didn't have an agreement with the players. Those players had not agreed to the pay structure, there were still discussions going on, so how could WICB commit those players for the tour, by annoucing the squad. If WICB had announced a weak squad to begin with and said well out players are not ready to play so this is the best we have to offer, that would be different.

However you cannot announce Messi while negotiations are still on going, that leads to tickets being sold, sponsorship fees being calculated on the higher side, and then say oops, Messi backed out, sry.

The fact that one is a dispute over pay and the other is an act of God is irrelevant

I am a lawyer, don't make me laugh with this. Act of Nature is a valid legal defence. See I know BCCI is not the most popular board there is, and ppl generally oppose the BCCI in whatever it says. If the BCCI says the earth is round, I am sure ppl would jump in and say BCCI is lying to earn more money.

However just picture the roles being reversed here. Ind went to WI, and over a pay dispute, Ind returned midway over a pay dispute. I mean would anyway be offering enve half the sympathy to BCCI, if WICB wanted damages?
 
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ya right we landed in SA and then pulled out is that the story, i dont see how you can even compare these 2. SA were given notice much prior to the tour that all is not well between the both boards, and its was pathetic they went out and announced the tour without even mutual consent.

There is quite a difference between revenue loss and actual loss.

the difference being one pair of couple broke up due to issues before marriage and called off the wedding, the other couple the bride\groom decided to runaway in the middle of the wedding!

t'was in the FTP which India agreed to. If England are going to the West Indies to play a Test series in April with the year they have next year (in a twelve month period, they have seventeen test matches all against competitive teams, countless ODIs and two world cups) then India could have decided to do a complete series against South Africa (which everyone was looking forward to) rather than a random set of games against the West Indies (which no one was looking forward to)
 
t'was in the FTP which India agreed to.

FTP has been pretty flexible for a long time :) Hardly an issue

Like grkrama said, big difference between (expected) revenue loss and actual loss.
 

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