Bopara as an all-rounder?!?!?!?

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Graeme Swann has backed Ravi Bopara to become a fine England all-rounder following his record-breaking display against West Indies at the Oval.

Bopara took four wickets at a cost of just 10 runs - England's best bowling figures in a T20 international.

"Bopara was unplayable. He has good control these days and is developing into a fine all-rounder," said Swann, captain of England for the first time.

"He never looked like going for any runs out there - he was phenomenal."

England thrashed West Indies on the night, winning by 10 wickets after Craig Kieswetter and Alex Hales led England beyond the modest target of 125 set by the tourists.

Swann was delighted to get off to a winning start as captain of a youthful England team that included three debutants.

"I enjoyed every moment of today," said Swann. "It was a dream start as captain. I asked the boys to give everything and they did that, I was delighted with the way everybody performed."

Bopara revealed that he was delighted but embarrassed at delivering record figures of 4-10.

"It feels quite embarrassing that I have the best figures when you've got the incredible bowlers we have in our team," he said.

"But I'm very proud to be a part of this team. We've got a very tough series coming up in India, which will test us.

"The way we've played this summer in England has been exceptional. To beat Sri Lanka and India - the two teams that contested the World Cup final - on our own turf is an unbelievable thing."

BBC Sport - Graeme Swann backs Ravi Bopara to shine as an all-rounder

Sorry but Swann should have kept his mouth shut. It was a T20 against a very ordinary West Indies side, I think that Bopara is "embarrassed" probably speaks volumes. Sorry but Hyatt, Bonner, Barnwell and Sammy his victims, three of whom I'd not heard of, Bonner making his debut and Hyatt and Barnwell making their third appearances in T20s.

Anything can happen when you're bowling 24 balls and the batsmen are trying to score at 7-8 or even more runs per over. Bopara the "all-rounder" has a bowling average of 5.20 in T20s, doesn't make him an all-rounder.

His ODI record with the ball is decent, 13 wkts @ 37.15 with a best of 4/38, but in 64 ODIs he's only bowled 95.5 overs at almost exactly nine balls per ODI and he's bowled in 27 out of those 64 ODIs. He's useful, one reason I hate ODIs is they make part-time bowlers look good and England are stupid enough to think that makes them an ODI bowler (a la Wright or Yardy)


Bopara needs to focus on his batting, there's no way I'd want him bowling 10 overs in an ODI regularly, definitely not in a World Cup knockout game and so he's never going to be a number seven - despite England batting him there and eight 21 times, maybe they ought to stop moving him up and down the order :facepalm

Useful little bowler to have, but with England I'd rather they didn't have more bowling options so we muddle through the middle/muddle overs with Bopara et al not doing a lot. We should be aiming at having five bowlers in the ODI side who more often than not bowler all 10 overs.
 
it's simple, sorry to say this, as i am a Big fan of West Indies.
But if your Performance is poor and ya want to improve it play West Indies, they makes everyoen career. Happen alot of time, many player s are on they way out, and then they play west indies and score big, this thing started from 2000 unwards.
 
With a bit of polish I think Bopara could do the same job Paul Collingwood used to do with the ball. Whether he's good enough to bowl 10 overs every game is perhaps in doubt, but Bopara could be your 6th bowler without any problem. So assuming your 8-11 are specialists who will bowl all 10, England just needs someone who can bat top 7 and bowl a few overs to share a 10 over stint with Bopara. Preferably a spinner I would think for variety. Must be Patel right?

Easier said than done though, England's tried many a player like that at 6 or 7 in the last couple of years: Yardy, Wright, Patel, Collingwood, Bopara, Bresnan, now Stokes...
 
Swann is absolutely wicked. It actually comes down to whoever performs the best and executes their skills. In my opinion, Bopara is a class player with the bat, but bowling is a main error. Not content in taking wickets, but from a distance, it looks like he worked really well.
 
With a bit of polish I think Bopara could do the same job Paul Collingwood used to do with the ball. Whether he's good enough to bowl 10 overs every game is perhaps in doubt, but Bopara could be your 6th bowler without any problem. So assuming your 8-11 are specialists who will bowl all 10, England just needs someone who can bat top 7 and bowl a few overs to share a 10 over stint with Bopara. Preferably a spinner I would think for variety. Must be Patel right?

Easier said than done though, England's tried many a player like that at 6 or 7 in the last couple of years: Yardy, Wright, Patel, Collingwood, Bopara, Bresnan, now Stokes...

It's useful to have a Collingwood type, granted. My main worry is that England turn to the 6th and 7th bowler too much these days, and they don't tend to pose a wicket threat often, which just gives 20-30 free runs to the batting side and advances them to a platform from which they can score lots of runs with wickets in hand.

What we need is a genuine all-rounder, someone for whom bowling is a given that they can bowl 10 overs most games and average 7-8 overs per game minimum. Even Collingwood used to be bowled for 4-5 overs most of the times he was used, not good use and I can't think of many circumstances where that's helpful other than if a main bowler is going for say 40-50 runs off five overs. Should you give up on a main bowler if they have bowled say 5-0-30-0 or 5-0-35-0.................?

Better captaincy might either take them off earlier, or just give them a spell when the likes of Wright, Collingwood and Bopara are used so they probably won't get tonked but pose more of a wicket threat.

If we can get someone for whom bowling isn't a worry, but can bat, then number seven might be sorted. I reckon Swann himself can do it, no way would Bopara be a suitable number seven other than having a ridiculously long batting line-up and weak bowling line-up. Broad, Bresnan and Swann for me are not far off being good enough batsmen but I think Swann has more potential. Bresnan seems to be limited to cameos of 20s here and there but not 30+ very often.

Broad just simply doesn't seem to be able to produce Test form with the bat in ODIs, while Swann seems able to chisel away in both formats and has the ability as he has shown in county cricket with a FC highest score of 183 and four FC hundreds overall. Bresnan has three, Broad has one which was his 169 in a Test. According to cricinfo, Broad has played 87 FC games of which 41 have been Tests.

None of them have one day hundreds
 
Only in club cricket. One fluke in a 20/20 and English are calling him an allrounder.:lol
 
I don't think his an allrounder or ever can be but he can do what Colly did so well for so many years. I would say he even has more batting talent that Colly so could be even better.
 
England has so many talented allrounders. I reckon this is a massive advantage. I think if they play a team similar to the one below, they can win the 2015 WC

Cook (pure batsman
Kieswetter (keeper/batsman)
Trott (batsman with useful medium pace)
Pietersen (batsman with useful offies)
Morgan (pure batsman)
Bopara (allrounder)
Wright (allrounder)
Bresnan (allrounder)
Broad (allrounder)
Swann (allrounder)
Anderson (pure bowler)

As you can see, they have 6 (maybe 8) bowling options. This is the sort of team that will win ODIs these days. Quality batting down to 9 combined with plenty of bowling options.
 
You've been far too generous in classifying Broad and Swann as all-rounders. Yeah, they have done quite a decent job with the bat in the longer format, but their ODI batting averages would suggest otherwise - both average less than 15!

Also, it isn't advisable to go with just 4 pure bowlers and 2-4 part-timers, as you have it there in your XI with the inclusion of Wright and Bopara. That's one of the prime reasons as to why England haven't gelled as an ODI unit over these years.

I've always felt an attack comprising of 2 pure bowlers, 2 bowling all-rounders, 1 genuine all-rounder and a batting all-rounder/part-time bowler is the way to go. The day England can work out that #7 spot to slot in a genuine all-rounder (someone off the Flintoff mode), the day they'll start to look 'world beaters'.
 
Why do people think anyone will average much more than 15 if they bat at 9/10 in an ODI? Not exactly getting 35 overs to craft a couple of 50's. Normally have to come in and give it a whack with an over to go. I think the fact that Swann opened the batting in List A cricket and Broad has test match hundreds, is enough to label them ODI all-rounders.
 
Ravi Bopara is a good batsman.Not too sure about his bowling though.He took 4-10 against a West Indies side 5-6 beginners in international level,the best t20 figures by an English bowler.In 2005,I recall that Collingwood had taken 6-31 and scored a century in the same match against minnows Bangladesh but could'nt prove that effective while bowling against top sides.
I think Bopara is similar to that.He should be used as a part-timer bowling 3-4 or max 5 overs per ODI.Of course his spell can be extended if he's bowling well.I don't suppose he's much of an all rounder.
 
Why do people think anyone will average much more than 15 if they bat at 9/10 in an ODI? Not exactly getting 35 overs to craft a couple of 50's. Normally have to come in and give it a whack with an over to go. I think the fact that Swann opened the batting in List A cricket and Broad has test match hundreds, is enough to label them ODI all-rounders.

In fairness they will accumulate a few cameo not outs, but essentially yes they won't get the same opportunities.

Broad is capable and could be an all-rounder, I think Swann could if he applied himself and batted higher up the order.

I wouldn't even classify Luke Sh1ght, he should only be in the mickey mouse 20 overs bashathon XI at most. No way is bops an all-rounder. Not so sure about Bresnan, a useful lower order hitter but not a seven
 

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