Bowling tips

[zimrahil]

@zimrahil surely post of the month????

I agree

 

[Jerm]

Does r1 not bowl it shorter and l1 longer?

could do, wasnt looking at a screen to see

 

[tarrantino]

I just wanted to give some feedback especially to @Rumple43 who provided such an amazing piece.

I followed the 5th 6th stump method. Keeping it full as it was a hard pitch and I was getting a lot more knicks. I managed so many more catches, got an LBW with Ali and got an absolute beaut of an inswinger from Anderson. It much more controlled and I got the Aussies all out in 1 day which I needed to save the test.

I’ve attached the score card and a video of the two wickets I captured, one being the in swinger which I attempted in the middle of the over.

Cheers for the sound advise and I’ll look forward to a nice battle at the MCG now!

 

[Rumple43]

@tarrantino Oh man! Love it! Cummins didn't need his stumps anyway

Love the edge as well, off a defensive shot. I've found those to be few and far between. Normally it's an aggressive shot from the AI that finds an edge, rather than a defensive shot. I've generally found those to be very safe to play indeed.

The cracks on the pitch as well, that's serious wear. Not sure I've seen them that prominently. Day 4 of the test, what did you have your setting on?

 

[tarrantino]

I had a couple of defensive edges but I didn’t manage to capture them all.

For pitch settings I certain went hard and pristine I think. As I looked up how the WACA behaved.

I have the AI on pro and all Medium as I’m quite new to it and obviously struggling before.

 

[Rumple43]

I had a couple of defensive edges but I didn’t manage to capture them all.

For pitch settings I certain went hard and pristine I think. As I looked up how the WACA behaved.

I have the AI on pro and all Medium as I’m quite new to it and obviously struggling before.

I basically do exactly this, look how the real pitch is then go from there with my settings

My next step I think is to start tinkering with the modifiers to give the pitch settings a bit more of a bite. On green pitches, turn the movement up a bit. On a spinners track, turn up the sliders for spin etc.

I would "hope" the game automatically does this, but I don't think a helping hand will do me any harm in my quest to find balance between bat and ball.

 

[tarrantino]

Yep I agree. Although I have read things about the actual extent they change things.

I think this would be something I’d test away from my Ashes Series. Just go to and Indian ground and amend the sliders for spinners and that.

 

[Gamer Pradosh]

You got wickets with the straight/standard deliveries, do you use them a lot?

Asking coz I don't really use them much. I try to stick to swing and cutters mostly. May be throw in a stock ball just as a change up. My rational being, if the ball isn't swinging it will go straight anyway, why not try my luck, what if it swings!

I use them a lot too, I feel there's subtle variation when using seam position which makes the game feel more realistic and with seam position use I do get swing after pitching..Also use the angles of variation as in bowl a delivery type with 11' clock, 2'o clock, 7'o clock and 5'o clock all get really small but nice variation..

Also as far as I know in BA game inswing get more outside edge than outswing , guess its an engine issue...Hope the patch changes that..

 

[tarrantino]

Yes I’m always moving the seam position. I do have a few at 12 but 1,2 10,11 all good.

 

[N Jones]

I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means, but what I tend to do works for me. Sometimes you just have to accept that bat is going to have the advantage over ball though. On the same settings with the same teams, I've skittled the AI for 155, and I've gone for 550+. It happens so don't get too caught up with either, just do your best.

What I would say from my experience is:

1) Be consistent

2) Set a field to how you're trying to bowl

3) Don't be afraid to be unorthodox

4) Bring the stumps into play where you can

5) Accept the AI's flaws, and potentially exploit them

6) Factor the pitch and ball into your thinking.

Be Consistent

I started bowling and would try and throw the AI a real mixed bag down in the hope the variation would throw them off. Stock ball, out swinger, out swinger, cutter, bouncer, slower ball etc, see what happens. I got much greater success personally from using my seamerss to try and hit 5th or 6th stump 5 balls out of 6 and then using that 1 other ball to do something different. Same with the spinner. Doesn't have to be 5 balls, then different on the 6th to end the over, mix that one different ball up within the over. Don't be afraid to mix up your speeds with the stock balls either, that can get you an edge through poor timing, but consistently asking a question of the CPU to score runs. Set your bowler up where you're happy (I always go closest to the umpire without going round the wicket) and then just plug away knowing consistently where you need to put the ball in terms of length and line. The pitch may well give you some seam movement anyway even if you're selecting stock ball, but check hawkeye at the end of each other to see what's happening. By bowling that line, I know pretty much the kind of shots the AI is going to play the majority of the time, where they're going to try and hit the ball, I'll have the fielders in place to stop those shots for the most part, and guys in place to catch any mistakes that find the edge or a false shot.

Set a field to how you're trying to bowl and have a plan

Quite an obvious one, but maybe helpful if you're giving up a lot of runs. If I'm bowling to that 5th/6th wicket line outside off stump, I know the field I need and it may involve having just 2 or 3 guys on leg. That's fine. I don't want to be going any further across that off stump or that's not what my field is there to help me with and I'll give up a lot of runs. Following on from the point above, if I'm on the 5th/6th stump line and it's early in a game, I'll be bowling relatively full, vary my speed, I'll have 3 slips and a gully, a point, a guy around the covers, mid off, then maybe a midwicket and a square leg for a 7/2 field. I might vary on that slightly and strengthen the covers at the expense of a close catcher if I don't have as many runs to play with, but I'm bowling to encourage the drive, with a field that should be able to limit that shot unless the batsman finds a gap or plays a more unorthodox shot, like hitting me to leg from outside off stump.If the ball is swinging a lot, I might want to take someone out of the offside and strengthen the leg so I can bowl inswingers, but I wouldn't bowl like that with just 2 guys on leg unless I had a lot of runs to play with.

Another good example, David Warner loves to hook. I get him out like that a lot, he can't help himself. Get a midwicket, a square leg, a square or fine leg, and a third man/deep point (the AI loves to do a weird high cut shot to short balls) then just start banging half trackers at him. You'll be able to do that for a few balls, either as bouncers or as short cutters and see what he does, but you have the fielders there to protect the shots that are likely to follow. If you're going to then start bowling it full and outside off stump, you're going to bleed runs pretty fast. Make sure your field works to the plan you're trying to execute, and it may be the batsman's weak shot plays into the plan (L3 on the PS4, not sure about the xbox). If a batsman's weakness is the cut shot, load the slips, gully and point, then get some short wide stuff out there.

Don't be afraid to be unorthodox

The game, unlike real life, doesn't really treat bowlers like real people. It's really easy to just call upon bowlers at the drop of a hat and they'll deliver. Confidence rarely drops (especially if the bowler has a wicket) and stamina seems to refill rapidly. If things aren't going your way, rotate your guys, different ends, different bowling partnerships, or even give your part timers a go, Joe Root and his part time spin or Malan is worth a go for 2 overs just to see what happens (if you're England). Utilise the short fielders, since their reaction times are practically non-existent and those guys catch literally everything that comes their way. Put a short cover, silly point in for someone like Malan and throw a few juicy half volleys up outside off stump. Worst case is you'll go for runs, which is likely what was happening anyway since you turned to your non-bowlers for a spark. Bowl 2 or 3 over spells rather than 5 or 6, all stuff like that. Getting out 2 bats that are both set can be really tricky. Sometimes try different things than you usually would. I like to bounce out Warner, but I wouldn't normally do it to Steve Smith. If he's already well on his way with runs on the board, I might try it for 2 or 3 overs though as at that stage I've little to lose.

Bring the stumps into play where you can

Someone else mentioned it here but it's really useful to use L1 and R1 to modify a length of delivery. On a hard pitch, which I'm guessing you're facing a lot if you're currently in an Ashes series like me, you're not going to get anything near stump height unless you use a full ball. So try mixing up some full balls with L1 and R1, but think back to the previous point about having a field and a plan. Why are you bowling full? Is it to get an LBW? If so, you're going to have to bowl straight or with inswingers, and that means you'll need a field to match it with protection on the leg side. Are you bowling full to get the batsman driving? In which case, think about your line and plan accordingly with a ring on the offside and the appropriate support in the slips. You vastly open up your options for a dismissal if you're putting the ball on the stumps, but you have to think about the knock on effects.

Accept the AI's flaws, and potentially exploit them

It's well documented that the AI will score at a preset rate each over/session in this game. If you bowl 5 dot balls, there is a high probability chance that the AI will throw the bat at ball 6 to get some runs. Use that to your advantage if you can. Build some pressure then set a plan, and also don't be disheartened when the AI does something ridiculous like dead bats 5 of your deliveries then lifts the 6th, perfectly acceptable and probably similar delivery over fine leg for a six. It happens.

Factor the pitch and ball into your thinking.

Sometimes the pitch just won't help you and you're going to be in for a relatively long day in the field regardless. If the seam and swing isn't there and the bounce is true, all you can do is plug away and do your best, you'll eventually get your time with the bat to do the same and pour it on. If the pitch is green and offering something though, attack. Get those slips in, and don't be afraid to go for a few runs (within reason). Back your bowlers to take wickets, because the conditions, and the ball, won't always be in your favour. In my experience the ball stops helping you at different times. The amount you can get out of it to start it's life varies, but you should be able to get a good 20 overs at least of attacking before you need to dial it back a bit to something more conservative. The ball may then start to reverse any time after the 50 to 55 over mark, give or take, and you'll get another 20 or so overs of movement before you're doing it all again with a new ball at 80 overs. It might be you turn to spin in those middle overs, or a consistent seamer who just bowls straight up and down, but it's something to think about. On PS4, if you hold L2 and R2 together before the bowler starts the run up, you can look down at the quality of the ball and that will give you a visual indicator of it's condition. So long as you still have a good shiny side, you're fine to keep trying to find some movement.

No idea if any of the above will be use to you, always difficult to pitch advice without knowing the person's knowledge level, or general ability in game. I'm sure you'll do great though, and if you need anything else I'm happy to help. Hardly an expert but I enjoy playing the game nevertheless

How do I adjust speeds when bowling..I'm really struggling to get wickets..I'm playing the second Ashes test and Australia have made 550-4 Dec and second innings 278-1..I'm on the verge of giving up..

 

[Rumple43]

How do I adjust speeds when bowling..I'm really struggling to get wickets..I'm playing the second Ashes test and Australia have made 550-4 Dec and second innings 278-1..I'm on the verge of giving up..

On the PS4, during run up the face buttons allow you to pick a different speed for your delivery. X is standard, square is slower ball, circle is effort ball

 

[tarrantino]

Also depends on the controls you’re using. Are you using standard or classic?

 

[N Jones]

On the PS4, during run up the face buttons allow you to pick a different speed for your delivery. X is standard, square is slower ball, circle is effort ball

The buttons are the length of delivery on ps4..X is good..circle is short..triangle is full..Square is yorker

 

[N Jones]

I'm seriously struggling n on the verge of giving up..I'm playing the second Ashes test and Australia have made 550-4 Dec and second innings 403-1..this match is going to be a draw because the stupid AI is 549 in front and still batting on the 5th day..I love cricket but this game is just as frustrating as DB17. The amount of overthrow's that happens is laughable[DOUBLEPOST=1520634181][/DOUBLEPOST]

Also depends on the controls you’re using. Are you using standard or classic?

Classic..same as previous game

 

[angryangy]

I think often the game just rewards the new ball way more. After about 30 overs, sometimes even a batter with stats of about 20 could make runs. Especially because spinners rarely dominate. Subtle variations are very useful and much easier to control, especially with swing. The batter will also catch on if they're getting the same ball. Sometimes a batter will edge a ball with a straight seam. I think bat-pad is really handy in this game. Also, flipping the seam is huge, as mentioned earlier in this thread. This might be your biggest tip. "Upside down" balls will skid and sometimes sneak through the batsman's strokes. It's often essential if you want a ball to hit the stumps.