Haven't seen too much of Morgan but what I've seen I've been impressed with. Looks like a guy that makes the runs when required which is all that matters. Forget about what could happen, if he fails then drop him but not picking him because his technique may not be up to it is a waste of a potential talent.
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Morgan is all class if you ask me, from an Australian perspective hope England stick with Collinghood.
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Nothing ATS. Since its would be too early in his career.
This comes down to England not only picking just one backup batsman, but then not playing him in the warmup games before the series started. If Morgan does come in, he'll be underprepared, which makes life hard for him.
We should have kept Hildreth out there after his brilliant form for the EPP.
We should have kept Hildreth out there after his brilliant form for the EPP.
sami ullah khan
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I don't think England will risk dropping a seasoned veteran like Collingwood. He definitely is struggling as a batsman but he is a tough nut to crack. I still expect him to play at least one match saving innings in the Ashes.
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Ashes news: Katich eyes Sydney return | Cricket News | The Ashes 2010-11 | ESPN Cricinfo
Great news of course.
Great news of course.
midgetwars
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I saw somewhere that Siddle want an "injured" anderson to play. Siddle is smart, If anderson doesn't play he'll cop a hell of a sledge at the SCG but if he does play he'll get whacked all over the ground.
RoboRocks
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Surely, thats a bit premature.
Anderson is the leader of England's attack and we need him to play. Hopefully he'll bowl better in this game since he's actually staying in Aus between tests this time.
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Therein lies a connundrum. People say Collingwood plays well with backs against the wall, you expect him to play "at least one match saving innings" and yet if the batsman were doing his job then England wouldn't be in that predicament - him and the rest.
I'm unconvinced by Morgan, more suited to shorter versions of the game. This is backed up by an unconvincing average, albeit he hasn't played many Tests. Played only Pakistan and Bangladesh, since his 130 he's not passed 20 Fair enough he played well for said 130, Pakistan only managed 182 between them in their 1st innings, I'm still unconvinced he has the technique or temperament. I also wish England would become more consistent, I lose track of how many times we switch around between Bopara, Shah and now Morgan - I may well have forgotten others (like Carberry)
Now we've gone from one extreme to the other, picking batsmen and never dropping them having previously dropped batsmen before they had been given a chance, I think this creates a problem in its own right. Before batsmen never had more than a few Tests to succeed, now the batsmen are so rarely dropped (if ever) that when one is out of form the biggest stumbling block against bringing a new batsman in is you simply don't know which is more likely to succeed - an out of form batsman who may find form in the match, or someone who has either played before or not, but certainly not enough to be a sure success. That isn't to say batsmen don't get a chance like Trott, but for me there should be more scope to give batsmen chances. I thought Carberry might, not that I believe he is good enough, but his chance was one Test with the probability even if he'd played a second he'd be out before a third.
Same applies to some extent for bowlers, although they bowl enough balls per Test that you can't argue so much the opportunity is lacking. Are bowlers like Broad doing enough to justify near exemption from being dropped? Do we have a strong bowling attack because there is no automatic reserve to come in for injury or other reasons, that changes and has been players like Khan, Pattinson (!), Tredwell and Shahzad who have less than 10 Tests between them.
It's somewhat ironic because I'd say our batting lets us down a lot more often than the bowling, yet the batsmen rarely get dropped while we've used lots of bowlers since the 2005 Ashes, I'd guess enough for 4+ attacks compared to enough batsmen for two batting line-ups
RoboRocks
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England will stick with Morgan. He certainly has the temperament, he just needs to learn how to construct a test match innings and take a bit more care with balls outside his off stump.
Morgan might very well be considered for the India series next year, since he's a very good player of spin.
Broad needs to take more wickets, but he is still worth his spot in the team, he is only young and people tend to forget that.
I don't care much for his batting, that's not why he's picked, with 6 batsmen, Prior at 7, and Swann with his first class high of 183 you don't really need extra batting, his batting is just a bonus.
Broad will be a good bowler in a few years time, he's still improving and learning, and he already has pace and swing, and most importantly, bounce (anyone who denies he has pace should take a look at him clocking Watson on the head at the Gabba).
Bounce is probably the most important thing for a pace bowler, it's why someone like Sami is so useless at test level, he's too short, the ball skidding through at the same height and pace no matter where it is pitched is just way too predictable.
Don't think much of Finn, he is tall, but negates a lot of that by looking like he is squatting down to take a poop at the point of delivery.
Ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea.
I don't care much for his batting, that's not why he's picked, with 6 batsmen, Prior at 7, and Swann with his first class high of 183 you don't really need extra batting, his batting is just a bonus.
Broad will be a good bowler in a few years time, he's still improving and learning, and he already has pace and swing, and most importantly, bounce (anyone who denies he has pace should take a look at him clocking Watson on the head at the Gabba).
Bounce is probably the most important thing for a pace bowler, it's why someone like Sami is so useless at test level, he's too short, the ball skidding through at the same height and pace no matter where it is pitched is just way too predictable.
Don't think much of Finn, he is tall, but negates a lot of that by looking like he is squatting down to take a poop at the point of delivery.
Ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea.
RoboRocks
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I doubt he'll be in the squad for the World Cup, so that'll give him time to work on strength and conditioning. There is a lot to like about Finn, he's bowled very impressively at times on this tour and will only improve.
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