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hedger_14
ICC Chairman
Some Indian players now.
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Love Ablish - Bowling down to 780
Alfred Absolum - Bowling down to 775
Ravi Ashwin - Bowling up to 800
Swapnil Asnodkar - Batting down to 1215
Hemang Badani - Batting down to 1210
Subramaniam Badrinath - Batting down to 1320
Lakshmipathy Balaji - Bowling down to 760
Vishwas Bhalla - Batting down to 1160
Rajat Bhatia - Batting down to 1200
Jitender Billa - Bowling down to 810
Ranadeb Bose - Bowling down to 765
Rahul Dewan - Batting down to 1180
Pankaj Dharmani - Batting down to 1200
Shikhar Dhawan - Batting down to 1240
Mahendra Dhoni - Batting up to 1500
Ashok Dinda - Bowling up to 775
Rahul Dravid - Made PT Keeper, Batting up to 1445
Gautam Gambhir - Batting down to 1635
Sourav Ganguly - Batting up to 1330
Mohammad Hashim - Bowling down to 780
Ravi Jadeja - Bowling up to 770
Dheeraj Jadhav - Batting down to 1250
Kedar Jadhav - Batting down to 1235
Wasim Jaffer - Batting down to 1265
Shadab Jakati - Bowling up to 890
Rajamani Jesuraj - Bowling down to 800hedger_14
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Hrishikesh Kanitkar - Batting down to 1230
Arun Karthik - Batting down to 1160
Uday Kaul - Batting down to 1190
Zaheer Khan - Bowling up to 640
Virat Kohli - Batting down to 1350
Dhawal Kulkarni - Bowling down to 755
Rakesh Kumar - Bowling down to 775
Praveen Kumar - Bowling up to 725
VVS Laxman - Batting down to 1390
Yo Mahesh - Bowling up to 765
Vikramjeet Malik - Bowling down to 750
Amit Mishra - Bowling up to 745
Abhimanyu Mithan - Bowling down to 760
Debasis Mohanty - Bowling down to 750
Basant Mohanty - Bowling down to 765
Wilkin Mota - Bowling down to 810
Abhinav Mukund - Batting down to 1260
Abhishek Nayar - Batting down to 1255, Bowling up to 765
Ashish Nehra - Bowling up to 740
Pragyan Ojha - Bowling up to 750
Munaf Patel - Bowling up to 740
Chirag Pathak - Batting down to 1150
Irfan Pathan - Bowling up to 730
Yusuf Pathan - Batting down to 1120, Bowling up to 875
Cheteshwar Pujara - Batting down to 1280
Ajinkya Rahane - Batting down to 1300
Suresh Raina - Batting up to 1360
Sachin Rana - Bowling down to 820
Aavishkar Salvi - Bowling down to 770
Sourav Sarkar - Bowling down to 800
Ganesh Satish - Batting down to 1150
Virender Sehwag - Batting up to 1630, Bowling up to 960
Rohit Sharma - Batting down to 1340
Ishant Sharma - Bowling up to 750
Joginder Sharma - Bowling down to 750
Harbhajan Singh - Bowling up to 695
Yashpal Singh - Batting down to 1270
Rudra Singh - Bowling up to 740
Sandeep Singh - Bowling down to 760
Gagandeep Singh - Bowling down to 770
Yuvraj Singh - Batting up to 1340, Bowling up to 990
S Sreesanth - Bowling up to 760
Sridharam Sriram - Batting down to 1250
Taduri Sudhindra - Bowling down to 800
Sachin Tendulkar - Batting up to 1700
Ashok Thakur - Bowling down to 770
Sourabh Tiwary - Batting down to 1295
Manoj Tiwary - Batting down to 1310
Sudeep Tyagi - Bowling up to 780
Murali Vijay - Batting down to 1330
Umesh Yadav - Bowling down to 765hedger_14
ICC Chairman
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Best Batsman:
Ricky Ponting - 1660
Sachin Tendulkar - 1660
AB de Villiers - 1640
Jacques Kallis - 1630
Virender Sehwag - 1630
Michael Clarke - 1615
Michael Hussey - 1603
Graeme Smith - 1590
Simon Katich - 1570
Gautam Gambhir - 1550
Kevin Pietersen - 1546
Hashim Amla - 1540
Ross Taylor - 1520
Shane Watson - 1520
Andrew Strauss - 1515
Eoin Morgan - 1510
Alastair Cook - 1501
Phillip Hughes - 1490
JP Duminy - 1485
Paul Collingwood - 1480
Marcus Trescothick - 1470
Jesse Ryder - 1460
MS Dhoni - 1450
Marcus North - 1450
Jonathan Trott - 1450
Herschelle Gibbs - 1450
Rahul Dravid - 1445
Callum Ferguson - 1440
Cameron White - 1440
Shaun Marsh - 1430
Adam Voges - 1430
David Hussey - 1425
Brendon McCullum - 1420
Ashwell Prince - 1410
Martin Guptill - 1400
VVS Laxman - 1390
Steven Smith - 1380
Ian Bell - 1375
Suresh Raina - 1360
Alviro Pietersen - 1360
Brad Haddin - 1350
Scott Styris - 1350
Owais Shah - 1350
Virat Kohli - 1350
BJ Watling - 1340
Usman Khawaja - 1340
Yuvraj Singh - 1340
Grant Elliott - 1340
Sourav Ganguly - 1330
Murali Vijay - 1330
Rohit Sharma - 1320
Peter Fulton - 1320
Phil Jaques - 1320
Brad Hodge - 1320
Subramaniam Badrinath - 1320
Manoj Tiwary - 1310
Craig Kieswetter - 1300
Samit Patel - 1300
Ajinkya Rahane - 1300
Sourabh Tiwary - 1295
Best Bowlers:
Dale Steyn - 590
Mitchell Johnson - 600
Shane Bond - 605
Daniel Vettori - 610
Doug Bollinger - 610
James Anderson - 615
Kyle Mills - 625
Morne Morkel - 625
Peter Siddle - 630
Ryan Sidebottom - 633
Zaheer Khan - 640
Ben Hilfenhaus - 640
Graeme Swann - 650
Clint McKay - 650
Ryan Harris - 660
Graham Onions - 660
Nathan Bracken - 661
Daryl Tuffey - 665
Brent Arnel - 674
Stephen Harmison - 675
Nathan Hauritz - 685
Tim Southee - 690
Stuart Clark - 690
Brett Geeves - 693
Harbhajan Singh - 695
Paul Harris - 695
Friedel de Wet - 695
Makhaya Ntini - 695
Stuart Broad - 695
Dirk Nannes - 697
Wayne Parnell - 700
Shaun Tait - 700
Brett Lee - 707
Mark Davies - 710
Mark Gillespie - 715
Iain O'Brien - 717
Johan Botha - 720
Ryan McLaren - 720
Albie Morkel - 725
Jacob Oram - 725
Praveen Kumar - 725hedger_14 added 11 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...
I'll sort it out into nations as well.
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Australia:
Batsman:
Ricky Ponting - 1660
Michael Clarke - 1615
Michael Hussey - 1603
Simon Katich - 1570
Shane Watson - 1520
Phillip Hughes - 1490
Marcus North - 1450
Callum Ferguson - 1440
Cameron White - 1440
Shaun Marsh - 1430
Adam Voges - 1430
David Hussey - 1425
Steven Smith - 1380
Brad Haddin - 1350
Phil Jaques - 1320
Brad Hodge - 1320
Bowlers:
Mitchell Johnson - 600
Doug Bollinger - 610
Peter Siddle - 630
Ben Hilfenhaus - 640
Clint McKay - 650
Ryan Harris - 660
Nathan Bracken - 661
Nathan Hauritz - 685
Stuart Clark - 690
Brett Geeves - 693
Dirk Nannes - 697
Shaun Tait - 700
Dirk Nannes - 707
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New Zealand:
Batsman:
Ross Taylor - 1520
Jesse Ryder - 1460
Brendon McCullum - 1420
Martin Guptill - 1400
Scott Styris - 1350
BJ Watling - 1340
Grant Elliott - 1340
Peter Fulton - 1320
Bowlers:
Shane Bond - 605
Daniel Vettori - 610
Kyle Mills - 625
Daryl Tuffey - 665
Brent Arnel - 674
Tim Southee - 690
Mark Gillespie - 715
Iain O'Brien - 717
Jacob Oram - 725
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England:
Batsman:
Kevin Pietersen - 1546
Andrew Strauss - 1515
Eoin Morgan - 1510
Alastair Cook - 1501
Paul Collingwood - 1480
Marcus Trescothick - 1470
Jonathan Trott - 1450
Ian Bell - 1375
Owais Shah - 1350
Samit Patel - 1300
Craig Kieswetter - 1300
Bowlers:
James Anderson - 615
Ryan Sidebottom - 633
Graeme Swann - 650
Graham Onions - 660
Stephen Harmison - 675
Stuart Broad - 695
Mark Davies - 710I'll do the other nations tomorrow.
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After having compared them all, I think I need to make a few changes.
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Michael Clarke - Batting down to 1615
Marcus North - Batting down to 1450
Paul Collingwood - Batting up to 1480
BJ Watling - Batting up to 1340
Rohit Sharma - Batting down to 1320
Shane Watson - Bowling down to 740
Ajmal Shahzad - Bowling down to 735
Daryl Tuffey - Bowling up to 665
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hedger_14
ICC Chairman
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South Africa:
Batsman:
AB de Villiers - 1640
Jacques Kallis - 1630
Graeme Smith - 1590
Hashim Amla - 1540
JP Duminy - 1485
Herschelle Gibbs - 1450
Ashwell Prince - 1410
Alviro Pietersen - 1360
Bowlers:
Dale Steyn - 590
Morne Morkel - 625
Paul Harris - 695
Friedel de Wet - 695
Makhaya Ntini - 695
Wayne Parnell - 700
Johan Botha - 720
Ryan McLaren - 720
Albie Morkel - 725
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India:
Sachin Tendulkar - 1660
Virender Sehwag - 1630
Gautam Gambhir - 1550
MS Dhoni - 1450
Rahul Dravid - 1445
VVS Laxman - 1390
Suresh Raina - 1360
Virat Kohli - 1350
Yuvraj Singh - 1340
Sourav Ganguly - 1330
Murali Vijay - 1330
Rohit Sharma - 1320
Subramaniam Badrinath - 1320
Manoj Tiwary - 1310
Ajinkya Rahane - 1300
Sourabh Tiwary - 1295
Bowlers:
Zaheer Khan - 640
Harbhajan Singh - 695
Praveen Kumar - 725
Irfan Pathan - 730
Ashish Nehra - 740
Munaf Patel - 740
RP Singh - 740
Amit Mishra - 745
Pragyan Ojha - 750
Joginder Sharma - 750
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Should Ponting and Tendulkar really be 60 ahead of the next best player?
Gambhir should be no wear near 4th, I'd have him like 10th - 15th.
Actaully it's too hard to judge players, I was about to say Katich shoudl be moved down, but he's that good at tests, but budget at ODI's. Same goes with Dhoni, he should be near the top in ODI's, but about where he is now for tests.
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I'd put Elliott up to about 1350, considering the standard of most of the 1350 players.
Gambhir should be no wear near 4th, I'd have him like 10th - 15th.
Actaully it's too hard to judge players, I was about to say Katich shoudl be moved down, but he's that good at tests, but budget at ODI's. Same goes with Dhoni, he should be near the top in ODI's, but about where he is now for tests.
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I'd put Elliott up to about 1350, considering the standard of most of the 1350 players.
hedger_14
ICC Chairman
Ok. I'll make a few changes a bit later to that. I was thinking the same about Katich and Gambhir as well as Tendulkar and Ponting rated 60 ahead of the rest. I don't know about Elliott. I will probably put him up.
kunal25184
Club Cricketer
I dont understand why you keep batsmen rating so low....
Do you really get the performance of same level the player actually perform in real????
My experience tells me that, players of rating of around 1650 would give me avg of around 50-55 in a year............
Dont know!!!!! but that's my experience.........
Bowlers rating you are using is still fine..........
Do you really get the performance of same level the player actually perform in real????
My experience tells me that, players of rating of around 1650 would give me avg of around 50-55 in a year............
Dont know!!!!! but that's my experience.........
Bowlers rating you are using is still fine..........
hedger_14
ICC Chairman
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Ricky Ponting - Batting down to 1660
Sachin Tendulkar - Batting down to 1660
Gautam Gambhir - Batting down to 1550
Simon Katich - Batting down to 1570
MS Dhoni - Batting down to 1450
Grant Elliott - Batting up to 1340Don't mean to nitpick but as a fan of cricket-statistics, just glancing through your ratings, I was just thinking of what kind of statistics they'll produce when put into ICC & there can be many such examples but just to list one, Steyn & Vettori have a massive statistical gap between their real-life averages (23 & 34 respectively) & considering the fact that spinners are usually slightly more successful in ICC, rating them as 590 & 610 (respectively) would mean that they'll both average pretty close to each other in ICC (irrespective of the actual figures), how would that be realistic? (Same question can be raised about the difference between the rating of Styen & that of people like Johnson, Anderson, Mills, Morkel, Siddle).
Another example would be AB who averages in mid 40s in real-life being rated alongside many who average in the mid 50s, how would him averaging just as much as them be realistic or him averaging more than so many who actually average higher than him in real-life? You've countered saying he MIGHT end up being just as good as Ponting or Tendulkar but that's mere speculation, on the other hand, he could hit a bad patch for a year only to never play at the International level after that; I feel the rule of Conservatism always works well with just about everything, especially when it comes to numbers & probabilities, & hence it is always more advisable to go with what IS as opposed to what MIGHT BE.
I think a lot of your ratings are based on your perception of & liking/dislike for each player as opposed to hard, real-life statistical ground-realities. And that's fine I suppose as long as you end up having fun playing ICC, afterall that's the reason why we edit ratings, but I was just curious as to how you envision the statistical ramifications of your ratings & your criteria for rating players. Cheers.
P.S. Is it that I missed their names or is it that people like Chanderpaul, Gayle, Sarwan, Jayawardene, Sangakkara, etc weren't good enough to get into your best batsmen list
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:laugh
Another example would be AB who averages in mid 40s in real-life being rated alongside many who average in the mid 50s, how would him averaging just as much as them be realistic or him averaging more than so many who actually average higher than him in real-life? You've countered saying he MIGHT end up being just as good as Ponting or Tendulkar but that's mere speculation, on the other hand, he could hit a bad patch for a year only to never play at the International level after that; I feel the rule of Conservatism always works well with just about everything, especially when it comes to numbers & probabilities, & hence it is always more advisable to go with what IS as opposed to what MIGHT BE.
I think a lot of your ratings are based on your perception of & liking/dislike for each player as opposed to hard, real-life statistical ground-realities. And that's fine I suppose as long as you end up having fun playing ICC, afterall that's the reason why we edit ratings, but I was just curious as to how you envision the statistical ramifications of your ratings & your criteria for rating players. Cheers.
P.S. Is it that I missed their names or is it that people like Chanderpaul, Gayle, Sarwan, Jayawardene, Sangakkara, etc weren't good enough to get into your best batsmen list
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hedger_14
ICC Chairman
Look. I don't base my ratings on statistics. I have not looked at any of the statistics for the good players. I've watched like all current international players play. I do rate mine a bit on favouritism but only cause I think that player is good. Like Hauritz is my favourite player and I've rated him maybe a bit higher than he should be but I haven't rated him at Vettori, Steyn or Johnson level.
Abd yeah, like Chewie said, I haven't done them countries yet, hence me not putting them in the top batsman and bowlers.
Abd yeah, like Chewie said, I haven't done them countries yet, hence me not putting them in the top batsman and bowlers.
Well, I just brought up statistical relevance & real-life because your original post says "I'm going to be making better rosters so that it is more realistic" & now you're saying "I don't base my ratings on statistics" so I'm not sure which one to go by 
but anyways, as I've said, as long as you enjoy making your ratings & enjoy the game then that's all that counts.
About my comment regarding Gayle, Sangakkara, etc, I was joking, I could obviously gather the fact that you haven't done their countries, especially considering the fact that those guys were on your best batsmen list posted on Chewie's thread which was the list I'd used to post my list on the very same thread Cheers.
but anyways, as I've said, as long as you enjoy making your ratings & enjoy the game then that's all that counts.About my comment regarding Gayle, Sangakkara, etc, I was joking
, I could obviously gather the fact that you haven't done their countries, especially considering the fact that those guys were on your best batsmen list posted on Chewie's thread which was the list I'd used to post my list on the very same thread Cheers.
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