Puddle Mafia 03 - Endgame

For the sake of argument, why do you think Zhuorb claimed miller at that time? No serious suspicion was on him + the fact that if he was investigated he would have come out town that night? (Read my previous post where I point out what the SK appears to the cop in PDs games).

Its not about the right time per se. But they claimed way earlier, where they could have been caught out. Their claims still stand. And both claims are usually in games. Yours isnt. I have analyzed the game play too and that includes when they claimed, what they claimed and their play in general.

The second quote of yours doesnt make sense. You have misquoted me. I pointed out that usually cop gets town/mafia result but that hasnt happened in this game.

And yes, you can see the strength of the town. We have a cop, doctor, tracker, BD, DV (i may be forgetting more). And they have a godfather roleblocker, + SK. Keep in mind even if I investigate the GF and he comes town theres always the tracker which can be useful in catching the GF.

@ User - Zhuorb wants to win, but frankly doesnt deserve it. Hes claimed and has sat back throughout game without doing anything substantial. Now he realized he is in trouble so the only way to survive for him was to go after someone else. If somehow the SK survives, please kill him. :p
 
For the sake of argument, why do you think Zhuorb claimed miller at that time? No serious suspicion was on him + the fact that if he was investigated he would have come out town that night? (Read my previous post where I point out what the SK appears to the cop in PDs games).

Its not about the right time per se. But they claimed way earlier, where they could have been caught out. Their claims still stand. And both claims are usually in games. Yours isnt. I have analyzed the game play too and that includes when they claimed, what they claimed and their play in general.

The second quote of yours doesnt make sense. You have misquoted me. I pointed out that usually cop gets town/mafia result but that hasnt happened in this game.

And yes, you can see the strength of the town. We have a cop, doctor, tracker, BD, DV (i may be forgetting more). And they have a godfather roleblocker, + SK. Keep in mind even if I investigate the GF and he comes town theres always the tracker which can be useful in catching the GF.

@ User - Zhuorb wants to win, but frankly doesnt deserve it. Hes claimed and has sat back throughout game without doing anything substantial. Now he realized he is in trouble so the only way to survive for him was to go after someone else. If somehow the SK survives, please kill him. :p

:mad:mad:mad I Hate U 4 thatttt........
 
Tbvh, I can't really decide between Varun and Zhu. But, I am inclined to lynch Zhu. Agreed Varun's role isn't really a 'popular' one but, still.
 
For the sake of argument, why do you think Zhuorb claimed miller at that time? No serious suspicion was on him + the fact that if he was investigated he would have come out town that night? (Read my previous post where I point out what the SK appears to the cop in PDs games).

Therefore I considered him the miller, until now. I can't see any reason besides that he could kill with impunity, and I am pretty sure he doesn't appear town on investigation. Also, after Colin spoke for him and 'cleared' him he's been too complacent too help. That's an SK in my opinion. In almost every game with an SK I've played (yeah, I'm using this too, if you guys are), the person under the radar/too complacent has been the SK, unless he's mafia or a doc/cop. Sedition in the last game was a different case, basically because we bought the Vig claim.

And yes, you can see the strength of the town. We have a cop, doctor, tracker, BD, DV (i may be forgetting more). And they have a godfather roleblocker, + SK. Keep in mind even if I investigate the GF and he comes town theres always the tracker which can be useful in catching the GF.

With the BD around, he can never be sure. If there weren't a BD in this game, then a miller and town-appearing SK would be fine, but there was a BD. All of PD's games haven't had a BD before, so you can't expect everything else to be the same.

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Agreed Varun's role isn't really a 'popular' one but, still.

It makes sense with two killers around. I hate mentioning it because I don't like justifying my role, but it should have been obvious.
 
All of PD's games haven't had a BD before, so you can't expect everything else to be the same.

*None of PD games.

lol my english.

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*PD's games.

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Actually, the first one was right. :p
 
BKB, it's weird. Going by what User says, we're the two cleared townies and hence we shall be having much more clearer thoughts about the player we lynch. Your lynch on Varun doesn't seem right to me, of course you have different views but for me, Zhourb it is. I'll give you my reasons,

During night 4, Zhourb made this post "BKB please check Aditya, thanks.". Although, after my role claim, I felt that he believes me. More so, when he mentioned that isn't this a auto-win with BKB (cop) and Me (doc) alive, with RB dead.

I'd just keep this simpler and say : I'd rather take a chance with Zhourb than with Varun. BKB, I don't get how Varun has seemed suspicious to you, throughout this game and neither do I understand, how you've been suspicious of me. Your second last post indicated towards Varun mentions "had you targeted Aditya, I might have followed you". My question is, why?

The most important point, which I've stressed throughout the game is; if Zhourb is indeed telling the truth, why didn't he claim on day 1? Claiming on day 2 simply because he felt that the cop might have or may well investigate him, is suspicious to say the least. Why not claim, straightaway on day 1!
 
Vote Count

Varun (1) - BKB
Zhuorb (1) - Varun

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. There are 48 hours left in the day.
 
Therefore I considered him the miller, until now. I can't see any reason besides that he could kill with impunity, and I am pretty sure he doesn't appear town on investigation. Also, after Colin spoke for him and 'cleared' him he's been too complacent too help. That's an SK in my opinion. In almost every game with an SK I've played (yeah, I'm using this too, if you guys are), the person under the radar/too complacent has been the SK, unless he's mafia or a doc/cop. Sedition in the last game was a different case, basically because we bought the Vig claim.



With the BD around, he can never be sure. If there weren't a BD in this game, then a miller and town-appearing SK would be fine, but there was a BD. All of PD's games haven't had a BD before, so you can't expect everything else to be the same.

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It makes sense with two killers around. I hate mentioning it because I don't like justifying my role, but it should have been obvious.

1) Obviously he doesnt appear town, theres no reason for me to check him. Under the radar? After hes cleared, person under the radar - this can all apply to User as well. Dont see you going after him with that logic

2) BD is a role that can be used by both sides, hes possibly the most random character in the game. Dont see the point of it all.

3) Like I said the town is packed with roles too, we have had the doc, cop, tracker, dv and if we believe Manlys post another townie too. If anything the town has been too strong given the position we are in. A bulletproof townie? Never really seen that role in game with less than 10-15 people.


BKB, it's weird. Going by what User says, we're the two cleared townies and hence we shall be having much more clearer thoughts about the player we lynch. Your lynch on Varun doesn't seem right to me, of course you have different views but for me, Zhourb it is. I'll give you my reasons,

During night 4, Zhourb made this post "BKB please check Aditya, thanks.". Although, after my role claim, I felt that he believes me. More so, when he mentioned that isn't this a auto-win with BKB (cop) and Me (doc) alive, with RB dead.

I'd just keep this simpler and say : I'd rather take a chance with Zhourb than with Varun. BKB, I don't get how Varun has seemed suspicious to you, throughout this game and neither do I understand, how you've been suspicious of me. Your second last post indicated towards Varun mentions "had you targeted Aditya, I might have followed you". My question is, why?

The most important point, which I've stressed throughout the game is; if Zhourb is indeed telling the truth, why didn't he claim on day 1? Claiming on day 2 simply because he felt that the cop might have or may well investigate him, is suspicious to say the least. Why not claim, straightaway on day 1!

Wow Aditya you still havent moved on. On you, my gut keeps telling me that you have played a dodgy game throughout. Why? Because despite being the confirmed doctor you are STILLL being defensive. You are still worried me about me not liking your gameplay despite countlessly saying I believe your claim. And so what if Zhuorb said that to investigate you, is that your basis on lynching him? You think I will listen to him? You are so caught up on yourself and people pointing at you that I feel you are not looking at the rest of us and trying to find out the anti towns as you seem more interested in protecting yourself. That is why I dont like your game. :facepalm

Dammit man, Zhuorb has played a foolish game (or if hes fooled me, a ridiculously amazing game). But think logically. He claimed because Sedition soft claimed cop, and he was worried that he will get lynched because the "cop" investigated him. If you Roleclaim on day 1 you are always (eg me in a previous game and User this time around) in trouble and more so when you are the miller. If someone claims miller on day 1 I would take the chance in lynching because he could possibly be a mafia. Now, we know there is no mafia left.

On why I am lynching Varun for the last time:

1) Dodgy play, never liked it, but hey this aint the strongest point.

2) POE. I believe User and Zhuorbs claim the minute they said. Zhuorbs because I knew Sedition was mafia from day 1 and I was waiting to see who he was targetting. The last remaining player is Aditya. I had my doubts on you because of your worried-about-your-own-skin-then-finding-mafia-attitude but last night the only explanation is either Varuns claim is true and he was targetted or you came with the save. I believe the latter and that leaves us with Varun.

3) Claims. In a 11 player game or whatever the number is, I can expect a miller, a doctor, and a survivor. The least likely out of them all is a bulletproof townie.

4) More on the bulletproof townie, its a smart claim because it justifies why you are alive so deep into the game, and prevents the mafia from going after you.

5) In ALL the past of PDs games the SK has appeared both pro-town and anti-town to the cop. It depends on the night he has been investigated, if its the night he made the kill hes anti-town and if its the night he didnt he comes pro-town. IF Zhuorb was really the SK in the game he would appear anti town the night he kills and pro town the night he doesnt. When Zhuorb claimed Miller, the night before there was no death from the SK! Also the night I investigated Varun, he came out as pro-town and that was the night there was no death by the SK.

All in all Zhuorb owes me this game either way. I cannot explain anymore from this stage. I am keeping my lynch on Varun and you guys are free to do whatever you like.

Adi?s!
 
Oh god, this is really tough. If Varun shows up town, I bet he will be very angry.
Lynch:Varun
 
It is either you or Varun. As BKB said, I am suspicious of Varun's role even though there are 2 killers in the game. Hoping for the best and hopefully I haven't screwed it!
 
Fffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!


Damn you, BKB. :p

Brilliant game there. If it wasn't for you, I'd have got Zhuorb lynched for sure. The only smart move Aditya made was to protect you last night instead of Night 3, and whoa what a move it was!
 
Zhu, stop being so desperate man! You actually made me believe you were the SK with your posts.

And, I actually survived!
 
You would've won nevertheless. Even if I got Zhuorb lynched and BKB nightkilled, I was going frankly going to claim and ask you to lynch Aditya. :p My win condition was to win alone, but that there was one person who could win with me. I knew you were telling the truth all along. :p

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And yeah, it must be endgame now unless I have a lynch immunity, in which case I am going to kill Zhuorb so that he doesn't win. :p
 

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