Sachin's career will end this year!

[andrew_nixon]

Unfortunately, you don't know this for a fact. Astrology even uses the force exerted by moon to predict the future. And, it is a proven fact that the moon certainly exerts forces on the earth. You do not understand it and you call it bullsh!t. I do not understand it but I am not inclined to dismiss it as bullsh!t.

No more from me on this... See ya...

Yes the moon does exert a force on the earth. I do not deny this. But this force is nothing more than gravity. It certainly does not have any affect on us (directly), or on the future. To suggest so is just ridiculous. Astrology is bullsh!t. And that's a fact.

You show me one piece of peer-reviewed scientific literature that accepts astrology, and I'll show you a unicorn.

 

[msamina]

......and I'll show you a unicorn.

Oh - never mind, I have already seen one

 

[andrew_nixon]

Oh - never mind, I have already seen one

Doesn't surprise me if you think astrology is real. You'll be telling me the Earth is flat next.

 

[msamina]

Doesn't surprise me if you think astrology is real. You'll be telling me the Earth is flat next.

Oh, by the way - did you know, the Earth is Flat.

[EDIT] Oh you made an astrological prediction [/EDIT]

 

[vibs89]

Well I do belive astrology. But I don't his career will end this year. It should be after 2007 Worldcup.

 

[sohum]

Take a newpaper, open it out to it's centre pages, and hold it at arms length in front of you.

That newspaper is exerting the same force on you as the planet Jupiter.

The biggest planet in our solar system as the same effect on us as a newspaper. Do you seriously think stars many, many light years away can have an effect?

Astrology is bullsh!t, and that's a fact.

I do not mean gravitational forces. In that way, every object exerts a force on every other object due to the gravitational field of the earth. Do you, by chance, believe in God? He cannot exactly be explained by science. That does not mean that he does not exist. As far as current research goes, we probably have no proof for astrology. But if we do not attempt to prove it scientifically, we are being just as stupid.

 

[andrew_nixon]

I do not mean gravitational forces. In that way, every object exerts a force on every other object due to the gravitational field of the earth. Do you, by chance, believe in God? He cannot exactly be explained by science. That does not mean that he does not exist. As far as current research goes, we probably have no proof for astrology. But if we do not attempt to prove it scientifically, we are being just as stupid.

As I said any scientist would be quite happy to see evidence that astrology is real.

But it isn't real. To even suggest that the future can be predicted in any way is just ridculous.

No, I don't believe in god(s), just as I don't believe in Santa Claus, but that's another topic, and we've already gone way off topic anyway.

I stand by my previous statement that you have to me a complete moron to think astrology is anything more than complete bullsh!t. I also stand by my challenge for anyone to show me on piece of peer-reviewed scientific literature that accepts astrology.

By the way, there is a guy in America who offers 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove any psychic ability, including astrology. Why aren't all these astrologers claiming that prize?

 

[anakwalajinn]

yea but u never know he has an injury.. it can affect his career u know...
like u never know if ole gunnar solskj?r is comeing back.. i hope so

 

[sohum]

But it isn't real. To even suggest that the future can be predicted in any way is just ridculous.

That is entering the realms of quantum physics. And there are certainly respectable physicists researching the same, although their theories seem over the top at the moment.

 

[msamina]

I wanted to stop this argument but I am getting drawn into this once again.

Let me say a final few words:

I do not believe there is any current scientific literature proving that astrology is real. But, you know what, I believe that science?s rejection of astrology is based on ignorance. Science?s ignorance. When the astronomer Edmond Halley asked Sir Isaac Newton (essentially the ?patron science of physics? and who believed in astrology !!!) how he could possibly believe in astrology, Sir Isaac answered, ?Because I have studied the matter, Sir. You have not.? And therein lies the crux of the matter.

Many currently accepted scientific theories, when originally proposed, were ridiculed. That does not mean that they did not turn out to be true. The fact of the matter is that no-one is willing to spend the time and energy to try and prove/dis-prove astrology. Because they have outright rejected it as farce.

I am not sure how much personal experience you have in this regard. I have three personal experiences. One is a very striking experience that stands in my mind even though it happened so many years back. My grandparents were stout believers in astrology and they had given my nautical chart to a renowned astrologer (whom they always used) and he had told them that I have to be careful at the age of 14 since I will encounter great danger. He said this when I was 9 years old. At age 14, when I was traveling in a bus for a cousin's marraige, the bus crashed into a truck and went into a ditch and I saw with my own eyes, dead bodies all around and quite a few people without their limbs.

So, forgive me for not dismissing astrology as bullsh!t. See ya ...

 

[andrew_nixon]

I wanted to stop this argument but I am getting drawn into this once again.

Let me say a final few words:

I do not believe there is any current scientific literature proving that astrology is real. But, you know what, I believe that science?s rejection of astrology is based on ignorance. Science?s ignorance. When the astronomer Edmond Halley asked Sir Isaac Newton (essentially the ?patron science of physics? and who believed in astrology !!!) how he could possibly believe in astrology, Sir Isaac answered, ?Because I have studied the matter, Sir. You have not.? And therein lies the crux of the matter.

Many currently accepted scientific theories, when originally proposed, were ridiculed. That does not mean that they did not turn out to be true. The fact of the matter is that no-one is willing to spend the time and energy to try and prove/dis-prove astrology. Because they have outright rejected it as farce.

I am not sure how much personal experience you have in this regard. I have three personal experiences. One is a very striking experience that stands in my mind even though it happened so many years back. My grandparents were stout believers in astrology and they had given my nautical chart to a renowned astrologer (whom they always used) and he had told them that I have to be careful at the age of 14 since I will encounter great danger. He said this when I was 9 years old. At age 14, when I was traveling in a bus for a cousin's marraige, the bus crashed into a truck and went into a ditch and I saw with my own eyes, dead bodies all around and quite a few people without their limbs.

So, forgive me for not dismissing astrology as bullsh!t. See ya ...

Just answer me this one question.

As I said earlier, there is a guy in America who has a prize of 1 million dollars for anyone who can scientifically prove any psychic abilites, including astrology. Why do these astrologers not claim this prize?

 

[gold639]

As I said earlier, there is a guy in America who has a prize of 1 million dollars for anyone who can scientifically prove any psychic abilites, including astrology. Why do these astrologers not claim this prize?

They'll probably say its wrong to abuse their powers....:

 

[andrew_nixon]

They'll probably say its wrong to abuse their powers....:

They usually say that they don't use their "gift" for financial gain. Strange considering most of them are paid by newspapers or magazines! Also surely they could claim the prize and donate it to charity?

The simple answer is that they don't claim the prize because they know they have no "powers" and they make it all up as they go along.

 

[msamina]

Just answer me this one question.

As I said earlier, there is a guy in America who has a prize of 1 million dollars for anyone who can scientifically prove any psychic abilites, including astrology. Why do these astrologers not claim this prize?

First, let me state that what you are saying is news to me. And, I have been trying to understand astrology for quite sometime now. So, if I have not heard of it, many others may not have. Also, I have not interviewed any astrologer in this regard. So, obviously I cannot answer this question and can only speculate. Do you know how many of these astrologers are well educated and know how to use all these new technological innovations like the internet so that they can have access to this information ? I believe the number is a very few compared to the vast number of people who actually practice astrology.

And as I stated in one of my earlier posts, astrology is based on the old science beliefs. So, it may be correct sometimes. That is my personal feeling after doing some intensive research for about 3 -> 3.5 years. I have since stopped my research in this regard.

I am not trying to turn dis-believers into believers by making these posts. All I am trying to state is that very little research has been done in the field of astrology and hence things are very un-clear. My own research and my personal experiences lead me to believe that it cannot be dismissed as farce.

I believe theories (not just in astrology) need to be formulated and analyzed thoroughly and this eventually will lead to greater knowledge and wider understanding. Since I believe this is how we have progressed this far, I tend to keep my mind open to these various possibilities.

 

[andrew_nixon]

I hope that as you continue to do your research, you will eventually realise the quite obvious truth about astrology.