sachin
International Coach
as far as i'm concened he is one of the worst captains in world cricket and should have been shown the door long ago.
Should Ganguly be Dropped From test Squad?
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sachinisgod
International Cricketer
aussies donno a thing abt Ganguly... he's far better than Ponting, as a skipper... want to argue more... find a thread started by Jarryd abt Ganguly sometime ago and read it... I ain't typing it all again...
No, no way.
In the test series, he had better averages than Bhajji,Bala and Zaheer.
btw, the batting averages for India in the recent series go as.
1.Anil Kumble, 95,Believe it!
2.V.Sehwag, 90.66
3.Dravid, 66.6
4.Sachin, 51
5.Laxman, 41.5
6.Gambhir, 35.8
7.Karthik, 29.2
8.Pathan, 16
9.Ganguly, 9.6
10.Harbhajan, 9
11.Balaji, 7.2
12.Zaheer, 0
But, I seriously(seriously) think Dada should still not be dropped from test team and neither from the ODI one. It's easy to criticise a person and I could write a 1000+ lines against him, but rather than getting emotional and start bashing your captain, its better to simply neglect him till he gets form.
I am going to consider India as a 10 players+1 captain team from hereon.
Be that whatever, even someone like Tugga/I.Khan couldn't make this Indian team win everytime. The case is that our players generally suck under pressure. I can't deny that India can perform so well under ultra-high pressure that no other team(be that even Aussies) could. Remember 1983WC,Kolkatta,(326 chase at Lord's),Adelaide,... but then these are rare incidents, in general they just collapse under pressure, be that with bat/ball.
India wasn't, isn't and quite possibly never would be the best, even if they get the greatest players, but they would still register wins that could make anyone jealous. They can just not be consistent as they don't perform under pressure. On very rare occasions they've performed exceptionally, but these have been very rare.
In the test series, he had better averages than Bhajji,Bala and Zaheer.
btw, the batting averages for India in the recent series go as.
1.Anil Kumble, 95,Believe it!
2.V.Sehwag, 90.66
3.Dravid, 66.6
4.Sachin, 51
5.Laxman, 41.5
6.Gambhir, 35.8
7.Karthik, 29.2
8.Pathan, 16
9.Ganguly, 9.6
10.Harbhajan, 9
11.Balaji, 7.2
12.Zaheer, 0
But, I seriously(seriously) think Dada should still not be dropped from test team and neither from the ODI one. It's easy to criticise a person and I could write a 1000+ lines against him, but rather than getting emotional and start bashing your captain, its better to simply neglect him till he gets form.
I am going to consider India as a 10 players+1 captain team from hereon.
Be that whatever, even someone like Tugga/I.Khan couldn't make this Indian team win everytime. The case is that our players generally suck under pressure. I can't deny that India can perform so well under ultra-high pressure that no other team(be that even Aussies) could. Remember 1983WC,Kolkatta,(326 chase at Lord's),Adelaide,... but then these are rare incidents, in general they just collapse under pressure, be that with bat/ball.
India wasn't, isn't and quite possibly never would be the best, even if they get the greatest players, but they would still register wins that could make anyone jealous. They can just not be consistent as they don't perform under pressure. On very rare occasions they've performed exceptionally, but these have been very rare.
sohum
Executive member
That's basically the problem of the Indian team: inconsistency. They have quality but they lack the binding force. Even the high-pressure players fail a lot of the time. The question is what is the factor that increases consistency? How do the Aussies manage it? I do not know the answer and I think that is the key to world cricket, at the moment. You could certainly find 11 talented (cricket-wise) people anywhere in the world, but the team and consistency aspect is the secret that the Aussies are guarding.
sachinisgod
International Cricketer
one thing in favor of Ganguly in that string of rare incidents thatAjit has listed and the ones that you could have listed is that many(most) of them have come with him as the leader... one such could-have-been incidence was that Rajkot match vs WI in 2002 ... where he and Sehwag put on almost 200 in 25 overs chasing 300 odd(the match was called off coz of miscreants and WI won the series)...the point is that with him as the skipper - the others can outperform their own past... and that's what should be happenin...
though I don't share the pessimistic outlook of Ajit...but yes its tuf to make such a vivid team gel togather and not many could have accomplished what Ganguly has... and keeps on accomplishing in that aspect...
EDIT: Sohum, a few months back, there was an article from Bhogle that had a reply to ur question - "why is Indian team always inconsistent?" ... it was very good but unfortunately i dont have a link...it was on Best of the Web Section of cricinfo...
though I don't share the pessimistic outlook of Ajit...but yes its tuf to make such a vivid team gel togather and not many could have accomplished what Ganguly has... and keeps on accomplishing in that aspect...
EDIT: Sohum, a few months back, there was an article from Bhogle that had a reply to ur question - "why is Indian team always inconsistent?" ... it was very good but unfortunately i dont have a link...it was on Best of the Web Section of cricinfo...
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Do you mean India could even be the best? That must be a joke.
Excuse me, I meant those pressure situations where no other team could have won.
1. India were defending a really low total in WC 1983. Windies were the best ever team and hadn't lost a match in WCs, still they won.
2. Following on, 274 behind, against the best team, and losing four early wickets! Who else other than India could then have got 384 run lead, bowled the Aussies out in just 69 overs?
3. 147/5 in 25 overs, 326 to win, 2 young players trying to make a place in team and successfully doing it, can happen only with India.
4. 80/4, 558 by Aussies, neutralized(almost) the lead, bowled them out for 196, ended up winning.
btw sachinisgod, the case is that you just don't respect these events and rate that Rajkot win equal to these.
Rajkot wasn't a pressure game, esp. if Veeru bats well, what if India would have been 50/4.
Banglore test was pressure game, Indian players don't do well under pressure. As soon as Pak started playing some shots, our bowlers didn't know what to do, and just started bowling whereever. And if you didn't see last day's play, don't blame me for it.
Have a look at so many matches played previously and you find India don't do well under pressure. The events are rare, if you live inside a freezer and can't distinguish b/n solid and liquid, you could neither distinguish b/n a pressure and a non-pressure game.
Excuse me, I meant those pressure situations where no other team could have won.
1. India were defending a really low total in WC 1983. Windies were the best ever team and hadn't lost a match in WCs, still they won.
2. Following on, 274 behind, against the best team, and losing four early wickets! Who else other than India could then have got 384 run lead, bowled the Aussies out in just 69 overs?
3. 147/5 in 25 overs, 326 to win, 2 young players trying to make a place in team and successfully doing it, can happen only with India.
4. 80/4, 558 by Aussies, neutralized(almost) the lead, bowled them out for 196, ended up winning.
btw sachinisgod, the case is that you just don't respect these events and rate that Rajkot win equal to these.
Rajkot wasn't a pressure game, esp. if Veeru bats well, what if India would have been 50/4.
Banglore test was pressure game, Indian players don't do well under pressure. As soon as Pak started playing some shots, our bowlers didn't know what to do, and just started bowling whereever. And if you didn't see last day's play, don't blame me for it.
Have a look at so many matches played previously and you find India don't do well under pressure. The events are rare, if you live inside a freezer and can't distinguish b/n solid and liquid, you could neither distinguish b/n a pressure and a non-pressure game.
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jwalits
Club Cricketer
I think this ODI series against Pakistan will have a big barring on Ganguly's future. If he/India do well (ie win the series) then he might retain his place in the Test/ODI side, but a drawn test series and a lost ODI series to Pakistan at home will not be good for his chances to retain the captainship.....
nik
International Cricketer
As a captain ganguly is a class, but what lets him down is his batting
sohum
Executive member
You are being very confusing. The Indian bowlers just gave up in Bangalore 2nd Innings since they realized that the Pakistani batsmen had a much stronger mental target than they did. They were on the backfoot from day one. And they certainly couldn't draw the match from a position where they were looking to defend every ball. All I want to know is who thought of that remarkably outdated strategy.
What were they doing on the day 1?
And this could have also happened at Adelaide, but how spirited was Indian bowling there? The biggest reason is that our bowlers lacked accuracy and pressure had a huge role there.
Strategy? I think our players were asked to play for draw after lunch, that was it.
And this could have also happened at Adelaide, but how spirited was Indian bowling there? The biggest reason is that our bowlers lacked accuracy and pressure had a huge role there.
Strategy? I think our players were asked to play for draw after lunch, that was it.
sohum
Executive member
I think perhaps Gambhir's wicket is what forced the Indians into their shell. Directly after lunch Gambhir looked quite positive and went for a few shots. He got out and after that it was a big mud-slide downwards. And on Day 1, the pitch was a batting beauty, although we got a great start. They just can't capitalize--I don't think this was the effect of pressure because that has been evident throughout the series, and India has still won most of the sessions. The bowlers didn't capitalize on the situation, Ganguly didn't bring Harbhajan on to exploit the new batsmen and really allowed the advantage to be taken away. Perhaps it can be attributed to pressure but then every match has pressure. India still perform moderately well, at least when compared to other teams.
The Champ
International Coach
Yes really he is batting poorly but let us give him bit more time so that he can come back, just bit more time, poor guy is the captain of the country.
One important note about his poor batting in test matches, ganguly and Dravid made their debuts at the same match.
Dravid 20 centuries 7696 runs
Ganguly 11 centuries 4969 runs
There lies the difference anyway let us give him some time
One important note about his poor batting in test matches, ganguly and Dravid made their debuts at the same match.
Dravid 20 centuries 7696 runs
Ganguly 11 centuries 4969 runs
There lies the difference anyway let us give him some time
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I think ganguly should open in ODI's to regain his form and thats where he did best for years but if he moves Sachin or Sehwag down the order then he would be criticize even more...
man India cricket is so confusing
First there was Sachin and Saorav, One of the best opening combination ever
then came sehwag who was doing fine one down but then they moved sachin down the order (WHY???) and he didnt like
meanwhile saorav and sehwag had formed a lethal opening pair which was good too
but now they had to move sachin back to open (WHY???) which brought ganguly down the order and now it has almost destroyed his career...btw why did saourav dropped the order in first place???
as far his captainship is concerned he is the best captain in history of India...
I dont question his captainship skills but he needs to improve as batsman though
Does this happen only in Indian Cricket???
poor guy had one bad series and there we go again...
last year ganguly has better average in Test then Ponting, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Vaughan
and believe it or not he had better average in ODI's then Lara and Vaughan too
still people wanted to kick him out captainship/team even back then and now even though we didnt loose series people are going berserk again
Its just matter of time...
man India cricket is so confusing
First there was Sachin and Saorav, One of the best opening combination ever
then came sehwag who was doing fine one down but then they moved sachin down the order (WHY???) and he didnt like
meanwhile saorav and sehwag had formed a lethal opening pair which was good too
but now they had to move sachin back to open (WHY???) which brought ganguly down the order and now it has almost destroyed his career...btw why did saourav dropped the order in first place???
as far his captainship is concerned he is the best captain in history of India...
I dont question his captainship skills but he needs to improve as batsman though
Does this happen only in Indian Cricket???
poor guy had one bad series and there we go again...
last year ganguly has better average in Test then Ponting, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Vaughan
and believe it or not he had better average in ODI's then Lara and Vaughan too
still people wanted to kick him out captainship/team even back then and now even though we didnt loose series people are going berserk again
Its just matter of time...
