Should Ganguly be Dropped From test Squad?

[sid098in]

mate, no questioning his capatincy skills but a captain need to perform and set the example let me tell u he is at sea only in the test matches, and in one dayers he has done pretty well. he has got a couple of 90s to credit in the natwest challenge in england before the champions trophy

but in test matches he has been awafully out of form so why not give him a break in tests and blud in youngsters like yuvraj and kaif.

even if he is allowed to contine in test matches his poor form will affect his capataincy sooner than later.

 

[sachinisgod]

Do you mean India could even be the best? That must be a joke.

Excuse me, I meant those pressure situations where no other team could have won.

1. India were defending a really low total in WC 1983. Windies were the best ever team and hadn't lost a match in WCs, still they won.
2. Following on, 274 behind, against the best team, and losing four early wickets! Who else other than India could then have got 384 run lead, bowled the Aussies out in just 69 overs?
3. 147/5 in 25 overs, 326 to win, 2 young players trying to make a place in team and successfully doing it, can happen only with India.
4. 80/4, 558 by Aussies, neutralized(almost) the lead, bowled them out for 196, ended up winning.

btw sachinisgod, the case is that you just don't respect these events and rate that Rajkot win equal to these.
Rajkot wasn't a pressure game, esp. if Veeru bats well, what if India would have been 50/4.

Banglore test was pressure game, Indian players don't do well under pressure. As soon as Pak started playing some shots, our bowlers didn't know what to do, and just started bowling whereever. And if you didn't see last day's play, don't blame me for it.

Have a look at so many matches played previously and you find India don't do well under pressure. The events are rare, if you live inside a freezer and can't distinguish b/n solid and liquid, you could neither distinguish b/n a pressure and a non-pressure game.

dude ur vision is too jaundiced to be helped...but still even with that type of vision the PRESSURE situations that you have described here are really pressure situations and three of those 4 have been won by a skipper called Saurav Chandi Ganguly... of course I know ur next argument - he happens to have the best team... may be but there have been past greats who were badly handled and lost their greatness... the greatness of Ganguly is that the GREATS in his team can attain more greatness....

and whatever the amount of sarcasm u bring to ur posts, u won't be able to convince Ganguly's supporters and the BCCI that Ganguly has done a bad job till date... shout at the top of ur voice but we guyz living in the freezer of reality don't listen to feeble, sarcastic shouts from Mars...

and check out the ODI records, how many 300+ targets have been achieved in history...how many of them have been achieved by India? and what role has one man called Saurav Chandi Ganguly played in all of them? if a target of 300+ is not a pressure situation, then u can go and place urself in a boiler and u'll still come out smiling i suppose... and my point was not that whether its a pressure situation or not... I reiterate my point is that under his captaincy/influence - ppl like Sehwag, Yuvi, Kaif and event the three greats Sachin, Dravid and Laxman(Ha!) can outperform themselves...

in that particular match Ganguly to scored nearly a century...as i said just take a look at Ganguly's scores when India's chased 300+....

out of the three instances(I consider Rajkot as won) I can remember, Ganguly has scored more than 50 in two and 120+ in the first one...that's called handling the pressure... if a man dropped at 18 comes in at the Mecca of cricket when the whole of his country is sapping at his heels and scores a century - that's called handling the pressure... if a man can turn on the tables on the toughest tour in world cricket in the first test itself, that's called handling the pressure...and whatever capability this Indian team has developed to handle pressure, much of it is owed to a man called Saurav Chandi Ganguly...the team and more imp the strategy let us down in B'lore and Martians can only see the deepest points from up there - not the peaks...

the most imp thing is the replacement...suggest a Martian replacement dude...coz the human beings, demigods and gods in the team have already failed where this monster called Ganguly has succeeded...

 

[jazz]

agree with sachin

 

[sachinisgod]

and sid...i agree he's performed miserably in this test series, but we forget that in the two tests before that he had two half centuries... OH! but they were against Bangladesh...then how come the latest superstar on the scene - Veeru couldn't do the same... I think even Don Bradman and Sachin Tendulkar can be allowed a lapse of form for a series or two... and to me his record, toughness and batting prowess is equal to if not better than Stephen Fleming, who's captained his side for almost 70 tests now... and who is still considered to be one of the best skippers around... look dude history bears testimony to the fact that almost every batsman-skipper loses batting form due to captaincy...esp so when he happens to be an Indian... so as I have said we have to wait for him to perform really bad in the odi series before kickin him out...

 

[boss]

Ganguly looking restless at the moment!, he need some more mental rest before next test will start!, so he need to drop down for atleast couple of matches! thats what am thinking!

Boss

 

[Ajit]

I think if Dada somehow gets nearly a run-a-ball hundred in any of the ODIs, it would make everything fine. He was a good player before he became captain and even in the first few years of his captaincy his batting wasn't bad.

The expectations from the Indian team were huge after WC. Still, he lead by example and scored a brilliant 144 at Brisbane and made his players feel that it was possible to play well in Australia. India then went on to end up with a 1-1 draw, although the expected was 0-4. India played extremely well in Pakistan as well.

But what happened next?

1-2 against SRL,0-1 against PAK in Asia Cup was a poor performance. Or you can add victories against UAE and BAN and celebrate it 3-3.(Only plutorians will do it)
I don't really want to talk about other events after these.(Plutorians will find it too hot to handle)

The biggest trouble for Dada was perhaps his teams's inconsistency and more than anything tendency to fail under pressure.(Although everything is pressure from Pluto)

Be that whatever, even someone like Tugga/I.Khan couldn't make this Indian team win everytime. The case is that our players generally suck under pressure. I can't deny that India can perform so well under ultra-high pressure that no other team(be that even Aussies) could. Remember 1983WC,Kolkatta,(326 chase at Lord's),Adelaide,... but then these are rare incidents, in general they just collapse under pressure, be that with bat/ball.

Well, you can call any event on earth as a pressure event? And you're repeatedly mentioning that Rajkot win, do you even know India lost that series 3-4? Do you know that India won a match under Dravid chasing 325 in the same series(and it wasn't with crowd support)? And I don't even call that very match as comparable to the kind of pressure situations I'm talking about.
Yes, the Rajkot, 325 chase match were pressure games. But then, aren't all games pressure situations. Compare these to the matches that I'm talking about. Ok, let it be whatever. I've already said

India wasn't, isn't and quite possibly never would be the best, even if they get the greatest players, but they would still register wins that could make anyone jealous. They can just not be consistent as they don't perform under pressure. On very rare occasions they've performed exceptionally, but these have been very rare.

though I don't share the pessimistic outlook of Ajit...but yes its tuf to make such a vivid team gel togather and not many could have accomplished what Ganguly has... and keeps on accomplishing in that aspect...

Not tuf, impossible and Ganguly hasn't, none can.

1.He's in gr8 form.
2.He led India to a historic 1-1 draw recently.

i agree he's performed miserably in this test series, but we forget that in the two tests before that he had two half centuries... OH! but they were against Bangladesh...

So isn't he in gr8 form. What's sarcasm in it? And you don't need to discuss loss against Ban, so why isn't 1-1 against Pak historic.

And nowhere in this thread I've said a thing against Ganguly. I even voted on 'no'.I even said "he's in gr8 form". I am saying "don't drop him, whatever goes, even if we lose 0-6". Now, what better way do you support your captain. But I get it, perhaps a freezer is too hot to be talked about. Maybe we need the temperatures of Pluto/Neptune to justify your point.

shout at the top of ur voice but we guyz living in the freezer of reality don't listen to feeble, sarcastic shouts from Mars

Ya the frequency of our shouts is in range 20Hz-20000Hz, maybe that's not in your hearing range.

And I don't live at Mars, its perhaps a small dot you see on the surface of Sun, or maybe its invisible from Pluto. We are thinking about sending a telescope to Pluto in our next mission. And I know a simple fact, you living in the freezing Pluto can in no way distinguish b/n the boilers Earth and Mars.
Just like I dunno if its Neptune rather. Or perhaps you Plutorians call your own planet as Earth. Actually, we'll like to know about the life of various species residing in that planet.

 

[icyman]

I don't think Ganguly would be dropped even if lose 0-6.

I even think he shouldn't be dropped.

The reasons are simple:
1.He's in gr8 form.

2.He led India to a historic 1-1 draw recently.

Ganguly wont be dropped man.
He's got jagmohan's guys to take care of it.

reasons u have mentioned are ruubish.
gr8 form-isn't that a bit too paradoxical
historic 1-1 draw when we could have done it 2-0 or even 3-0????

Ganguly was out of form cause his darling Nagma was recently questioned regarding Dawood Ibhrahim.

 

[littlegenius90]

Its extremely sad to see that captain who backed his players like no other person would in their bad time has a lack of support during his bad time
I think people have exaggerated more then enough on this topic

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Kapil backs India skipper Ganguly

India legend Kapil Dev says Sourav Ganguly should continue as captain despite his dismal run of form in the Test series against Pakistan.

Ganguly made 48 runs in five innings and came in for criticism after his side lost the final game in Bangalore.

But former skipper Kapil told BBC Sport: "I don't think there's anything wrong with his captaincy.

"The last 10 years India's management have been more sensible. I hope they don't make an irrational decision."

Ganguly has failed to make a Test century in 16 months and another former skipper, Bishan Bedi, says he should be dropped and a new captain appointed.

Kapil says that could do more harm than good to the team.

"Bishan played good enough cricket so he can give his opinion. I may not 100% agree that if you lose a Test you sack everybody and if you win you make a prime minister of somebody," he explained.

"You have to rationalise what is best for the team.

"I am disappointed about Ganguly's performances but he built the team and put it right on top.

"Rahul Dravid is the only one who can [take over as skipper] but he's doing so well with the bat we can only disturb him."

Ganguly was booed after his first-innings dismissal in Bangalore and at the post-match presentation, but Kapil played down the significance of that.

"That happens in the subcontinent - it happened to Sunil Gavaskar, to me and Bishan Bedi.

"It happens to every cricketer and we have to understand we are very emotional people but it's not end of the world.

"People will become all right in a couple of days and make a decision for the country."

source

 

[sohum]

I guess the pill of Pakistan's triumph at Bangalore was too large to swallow for some (me included). I've been watching a few of Ganguly's better knocks on TV the last few days and it reminds me just how talented a player he is. I think we need a trip from that psychiatrist--Sandy Gordon--again. It seems like that guy's talk only lasts about 21 months, so we need our fill from him. I think as long as Ganguly makes some good captaincy decisions and plays positive cricket in the ODI series, he should remain. Although he really needs to try and contribute with the bat.

 

[sachin]

aussies donno a thing abt Ganguly... he's far better than Ponting, as a skipper... want to argue more... find a thread started by Jarryd abt Ganguly sometime ago and read it... I ain't typing it all again...

yeah i can just imagine what jarryd wrote.don't need to read it.as an aussie i of course don't know as much about ganguly as people who live in india, but i follow India so i take more notice of india than other aussies.When watching ganguly against the aussies he just hasn't been up to standard.sure he has had a few good knock or a good change in the field here or there but not often enough.no way should he be in the team

 

[littlegenius90]

Recognise this? 1, 33, 12, 35, 6, 9, 14, 29, 0, 22, 37, 17, 18, 28.
These are Rahul Dravid's scores in 14 successive innings in 1999/2000 and 2000/01.
He should have been dropped, right?
His next 9 scores?
41 not out, 200 not out, 70 not out, 162, 9, 39, 25, 180, 81.
Point made?

Here is a very nice article

so next time ppl start bashing ganguly think atleast once

 

[The Champ]

Recognise this? 1, 33, 12, 35, 6, 9, 14, 29, 0, 22, 37, 17, 18, 28.
These are Rahul Dravid's scores in 14 successive innings in 1999/2000 and 2000/01.
He should have been dropped, right?
His next 9 scores?
41 not out, 200 not out, 70 not out, 162, 9, 39, 25, 180, 81.
Point made?

Here is a very nice article

so next time ppl start bashing ganguly think atleast once

Ur right buddy, common guys lets give him some time

 

[sachinisgod]

poor Martians - they have their basic sciences all jumbled up and think Pluto's the planet next to them...and donno that only Martians are the ppl who can live in a thick envelope of CO2 that doesn't allow them to comprehend things which are as clear as sunlight... pity them...

and yeah very nicely made pt littlegenius...but alas! it won't have an effect on species not on the known taxonomy here...

just incase cricinfo archives are as obscure to Martians as sunlight then here's the scorecard of the Ahmedabad onedayer that was mentioned...it seems skipper Ganguly's the only one to lead his team to two 300+ targets in two successive ODI's in the history of the game...
http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/WI_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/WI_IND_ODI4_15NOV2002.html
Ganguly scored 247 runs in 5 odi's in this series with three half centuries and two victories...Dravid scored a century when Ganguly was the captain but scored 53 (India won) and 3 in the odi's in which he was the captain. Veeru and even Agarkar's batting came off when Ganguly was the captain but that couldn't happen with Dravid at helm.

try all that stuff here: http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/WI_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/index.html


n e way, i am certain Ganguly will be retained as skipper (for the time being) and almost all here are...dada is big bro and that's what he is to Team India at present - whether ppl from other planets can see unity in this team or not - I can see it and that's called gelling...oh! different vocabs i fear...

but for the earthlings like me lets come back to the question - who if not him??? n e suggestions?? I would say that if Kiran More went nuts and bananas tomorrow and wanted to dump Ganguly then Kumble's the only choice left with him...

 

[littlegenius90]

Its good to see players supporting his captain
first it was sehwag and now rahul is also defending saorav

 

[SaiSrini]

Ganguly wont be dropped man.
He's got jagmohan's guys to take care of it.

reasons u have mentioned are ruubish.
gr8 form-isn't that a bit too paradoxical
historic 1-1 draw when we could have done it 2-0 or even 3-0????

Ganguly was out of form cause his darling Nagma was recently questioned regarding Dawood Ibhrahim.

Pointless and rubbish on ur part!!

And the last line doesnt sound funny sir!!!

I wish Ganguly should take some rest at some point of time (if not for this ODI series!) and should work more on his game!!! But he is the only captain India can have now (until Kaif spends more time in the team and improves his record, consistency and his experience!).