The PlanetCricket View: What to do with the Aussie batting lineup

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There were very few low lights from the Border-Gavaskar series, one of them was the performance of the top 3. A major part of the problem was the number 3 averaging less than 3.

This resulted in 2/46, 4/27, 3/37, 3/84 and 3/40, amazingly two of those resulted in a 600 run total and a clean sweep. These scores were not too surprising considering this was the first time this top 3 had batted together.

Ideally one would like players to come straight in and perform in every game however this is not how cricket works. An opening pair must be stuck with and given time to settle. In Warner and Cowan the signs have been there, in particular the Perth match where the pair surpassed India’s total in only the forth session of the match.

Warner produced a couple of starts to go with his 180 and also was last man standing in the Hobart loss. Cowan has made a couple of fifties in his four test matches including being unlucky in his debut innings. Both have shown enough to be persisted with.

Shaun Marsh made his Test debut as a replacement and took this opportunity to jump ahead of Khawaja. It was cruel twist of fate for Khawaja who was forced to move down the order and watch Marsh score his maiden test hundred. However as there is taking your opportunity, there is also losing your opportunity and in one series he has done everything possible to lose his spot.

The return of Shane Watson is 99.4% certain to be in place of Marsh. Where he ends up will be of more interest. Most people believe he should be in the top the 4 spots. At opener he would break up the Warner and Cowan combo and it seems rather silly to be moving two specialist openers for a make shift opener.

On paper Watson would make the ideal number 3, he has the ability to come in early and also 1/200 and keep the momentum going. He has a pull shot which the commentators on Channel 9 mentioned is a key attribute. The only thing going against this move is the fact Clarke wants to use Watson’s bowling more than occasionally and with the new openers still settling, he could find himself in very early.

The other option is moving Ponting back to 3 and Watson at 4. The problem with this move is when Ponting retires another number 3 needs to be groomed and given Hussey wants to remain in the side, there will be no young Ponting at 6 to step into the role when Hussey and Ponting go.

Before this series I was one calling for either Ponting or Hussey to go. You would think with three scores under 100 in the past 18 months and 47 all out, that the side was full of youngsters not a side that contained Ponting, Clarke and Hussey. However Ponting has responded to all this talk in resounding fashion with 544 at 109 and that is the way you save a career!

One reason for retaining Ponting and Hussey for the time being is if Haddin is dropped alongside Ponting or Hussey then the middle order begins to look unstable and couple that with the unstable top order and you can expect a few more sub 100 scores to pop up and all the momentum built from the cleansweep against India goes down the drain.

The phasing out period must begin at some point and the West Indies tour represents the ideal opportunity to try a new wicket keeper. With the career best form of Clarke, return to form for Ponting and solid form by Hussey at 6, there is enough stability in the middle order for a new keeper to be brought in to replace the under performing Haddin.

How the future will pan out after that remains to be seen. Ponting has indicated he wants to go on to the Ashes and Hussey seems to have a similar mindset. If either wish to do so they must retain their current form.? The team cannot afford another 2 year form slump from either man.

It will obviously be a risk having the same batsmen which failed in the previous English Ashes campaign however as long as they maintain their form, there will be no reason to drop either of them.

One issue from this will be if either of them begin to falter during the Ashes. Unless the rotation system has been implemented for the batsmen or injury strikes, none of the replacement batsmen would be test match harden.

My top 7 for the Caribbean tour:
Warner
Cowan
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Wade/Nevill (wk)

Wade has the early advantage should the keeping spot be vacated however his slip up in the Big Bash League Semi could prove costly. However he will have the chance to impress the selectors during the two T20I against India and perhaps a couple of CBS matches. Nevill in the meantime will have the chance to bang the house down in Shield cricket and really make the selectors take notice.

These are interesting times ahead and unlike the bowling department, young batsmen aren’t flying out the window at the moment. Hopefully in a years time more of them will be putting their hand up but until then the Hussey and Ponting show will continue.



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I agree Watson makes an ideal number 3, and with him coming back in you could force Ponting or Hussey into retirement and still have a stable batting order. I think number 6 is where you blood the new middle order batsman, and if Hussey is batting at 6 he is wasted there. Khawaja or Marsh, who ever has the best long term prospects should be put in at 6. Peter Forrest should also be considered in a season or two's time.
 
Khawaja or Marsh? You've gone soft mate - where's the support for Marsh?? :D

Despite his horrid run, I think if Marsh has a decent finish to the summer then he'll be retained over Cowan. After all, Cowan was the last man picked into the team, and while he's been OK, I think the selectors see Marsh as the long term choice. Same for Haddin - if he gets some form I can't see him being dropped. Because like Marsh, it's form, not talent that is in question right now. And couple that with Khawaja and Hughes, I think they would leap ahead of Cowan too if they were showing good form. I'm not sure I personally agree with that mind you, given that I like the balance that Cowan's disciplined batting brings to the order, but I don't think the selectors will think Cowan has done enough this series to suddenly be an automatic choice.

If Marsh is retained over Cowan, then the team picks itself, as Watson would go back up top - which is where I personally would prefer him to stay. His career has come alive as an opener, I don't think that should be given up. Are we really hoping that Watson will be a better bowler if he bats at #3 or lower? Because to my mind, he's been bowling very usefully already. And I'm not sure I want to see his bowling workload increase more than it has been over the last year. He's past 30 now and starting to show signs of fragility again. I would prefer to see the argument of him bowling LESS, now that we have a threatening pace attack again.
 
"After getting five wickets, you don't have any time to soak it in and re-approach your batting," he said. "Before I knew it I was back in the pavilion. It's a balancing act to mentally switch off my bowling and wait to enjoy it until after the day's play. That's something I need to do better because when I have got wickets or bowled quite a bit, I haven't scored any runs."

Australia in South Africa 2011-12: What to do with Watson? | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

That is the one quote that sticks out to me. Clarke is going to use Watson like he has since taking over as captain so we have to get use to that. And with that in mine moving him to 3 at least lets him refocus himself for the batting to come. Ideally 4 is the spot to best utilize both of his assets but as mentioned there are other factors involved.

I agree Watson makes an ideal number 3, and with him coming back in you could force Ponting or Hussey into retirement and still have a stable batting order. I think number 6 is where you blood the new middle order batsman, and if Hussey is batting at 6 he is wasted there. Khawaja or Marsh, who ever has the best long term prospects should be put in at 6. Peter Forrest should also be considered in a season or two's time.

If you were going to force someone out it would by Hussey. If you dump Ponting and keep Hussey then you have to move him or Clarke up to 4 causing way too much disturbance. Hussey out is a straight swap however until Watson settles into the number 3 position I would want to keep Hussey around.
 
Caution: I'm very much theorising here...:p I think Watto was just going along with what he was asked. Journalists and others assume he must be tired and so put words in his mouth - that's my theory. Because the numbers say the opposite. Watson averages much more in the 2nd innings of matches ie. AFTER he's bowled - when he should be tired. As for whether he scores less if he gets wickets, I haven't tested that one, but I'd be surprised given the 2nd innings vs 1st innings stats. I think it just happened a couple of times last year and suddenly it was gospel truth.
 
I wouldn't expect his fatigue to effect him from innings to innings as his fitness regime would ensure he is able to cope. The fatigue is more what happens after the game in regards to injuries.

It's more the mental mindset of switching from a bowling mindset to a batting one. Now we probably won't get too many situations like the SA one but that was the prime example of how hard it can be to switch. Watson had just produced his best spell in Test cricket to roll SA for under a 100 and then next thing you know he is having to face up. I can only imagine how hard it would be to have to switch your mind from what you had just achieved to facing up against Steyn and Phillander.

His other two 5-fers were not quite as game changing but in the follow up innings he got a 30 and 20. Small sample size means we can't conclude one way or another but if you can avoid having to find that the answer to that question then I'd certainly take it. And when you have two specialist openers (Warner unlike Sehwag actually opened throughout his club and domestic history), Clarke wanting to bowl Watson like he has and Watson spending most of his domestic career at 3/4 then really everything points towards a 3 or 4 spot.
 
I was looking at the players in this country at who could be or are good batsman and people are saying we have no batsman to push the current ones out but if we cant find 6 in form batsman from this list I dont think we ever will.
the numbers listed are ages

M. Marsh - 20
N. Maddinson -20
P. Hughes - 23
S. Smith - 23
D. Warner - 25
T. Cooper - 25
U. Khawaja - 25
P. Forrest - 26
C. Ferguson - 27
L. Davis - 27
S. Masrh - 28
D. Christian - 29
E. Cowan - 29
G. Bailey - 29
R. Quiney - 29
S. Watson - 30
M. Clarke - 31
M. Klinger - 31
A. Voges - 32
M. North - 32
D. Hussey - 34
M. Hussey - 36
 
Shane Watson is perfect opening batsman... I don't think so there should be any solid reason to be displace him from the opening slot. The Opening pair should be Warner and Watson, while cowan/Marsh/Ponting should be at number 3
 
Good in theory, but stats say otherwise: Watson's average as an opener in the 1st innings of a match is 35, in the 2nd innings it's 56, in the 3rd innings it's 49 and in the 4th innings it's 43. I'd argue that bowling on a pitch makes Watson a better player, as he can see from close quarters exactly what the pitch is doing.

Ian Chappell's written an article about Watson on Cricinfo:
Ian Chappell: Watson and Haddin should go to the West Indies | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

I agree with most of that stuff in the article. Watson is built to be a top order player, and he's very consistent which is good for your opening partnership. I don't think he should be lower than #3, and if he is, then it certainly shouldn't be so he can bowl more. That kind of reasoning just doesn't make sense to me. Why potentially make his batting worse to bolster his bowling? He shouldn't be bowling much anyway.
 
I was looking at the players in this country at who could be or are good batsman and people are saying we have no batsman to push the current ones out but if we cant find 6 in form batsman from this list I dont think we ever will.

If we are talking about right now then a case can be made against each and every one of those guys in that list. One of the three lines would suit: too raw, not performing, hasn't produced the numbers for a consistent period.

Maddinson falls into the first one, North into the second one (although wouldn't have him back anyway), and Christian, Davis, Forrest, Quiney in the last one. Only two guys don't meet those criteria in Rogers and Dussey and it seems they are either in the too old basket or some other factor is keeping them away.
 
If we are talking about right now then a case can be made against each and every one of those guys in that list. One of the three lines would suit: too raw, not performing, hasn't produced the numbers for a consistent period.

Maddinson falls into the first one, North into the second one (although wouldn't have him back anyway), and Christian, Davis, Forrest, Quiney in the last one. Only two guys don't meet those criteria in Rogers and Dussey and it seems they are either in the too old basket or some other factor is keeping them away.

yeah I agree but the likes of Pat Cummins or Nathan Lyon werent exactly knocking the door down in domestic cricket before their selection.
 
Seems to be easier to pick a bowler on potential than a batsmen. Usually if the bowler is clocking 150km/h and swinging it both ways then the selectors are confident he can trouble any batsmen. (Hasn't happened often however, Cummins is the first in a while). On the other hand a young batsmen might have a great technique but the only way to see if he has the temperament is having him play more Shield cricket. Maddinson, Ferguson and Marsh are some guys that spring to mind on that front.
 
We should really schedule more Australia A games during the offseason, to get these guys in form, and used to playing as a team, and experienceing overseas conditions.
 
We have one series this year, would be good if they actually take notice of the performances in there. SOK has performed well in a couple of A matches but suddenly found himself down the queue.
 

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