Why does career mode feel broken?

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Haven't Played on DBC17 for a while now, Too busy playing other good games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Yakuza, Pokemon etc.
Without Stats Career mode is just pointless for me.
 
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Haven't Played on DBC17 for a while now, Too busy playing other good games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Yakuza, Pokemon etc.
Without Stats Career mode is just pointless for me.
No idea on the other games but stats is a fundamental problem for the game, imagine MLB the show with no stats or even splits... ?
 

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No idea on the other games but stats is a fundamental problem for the game, imagine MLB the show with no stats or even splits... ?
Yeah That's why I stop playing it, Have no idea why they would remove States in Career mode from DBC17 when they had it on DBC14?
I would just Wait for the next DBC and hopefully it would be miles better then this. :)
 

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Just wondering out loud (and yes it's a negative wonder)...

Im wondering will dbc ?? ever see the light of day?

Because yeah it might hav been "dbc 17" was quite an ambitious effort as far as a small dev team and budget size is concerned, and most of us around here get that and appreciate that... But will there ambition this time around come back to bite BA on there butt "twice" ??

Because surely the next game has to make everything that went wrong with this one (stats, stadium creator...dynamic line ups "dodgy team creators or not") work, as well as give the necessary inclusions to justify the dbc ?? selling point.

Will it be too much bother for BA?
 

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Just wondering out loud (and yes it's a negative wonder)...

Im wondering will dbc ?? ever see the light of day?

Because yeah it might hav been "dbc 17" was quite an ambitious effort as far as a small dev team and budget size is concerned, and most of us around here get that and appreciate that... But will there ambition this time around come back to bite BA on there butt "twice" ??

Because surely the next game has to make everything that went wrong with this one (stats, stadium creator...dynamic line ups "dodgy team creators or not") work, as well as give the necessary inclusions to justify the dbc ?? selling point.

Will it be too much bother for BA?

The annoying thing is a lot of the small problem, especially the stats can be easily resolved with an update for DBC17. The new game - if they are to make one - will come out at the earliest in 2019 and they really have to pull it out of the bag!
 

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Just wondering out loud (and yes it's a negative wonder)...

Im wondering will dbc ?? ever see the light of day?

Because yeah it might hav been "dbc 17" was quite an ambitious effort as far as a small dev team and budget size is concerned, and most of us around here get that and appreciate that... But will there ambition this time around come back to bite BA on there butt "twice" ??

Because surely the next game has to make everything that went wrong with this one (stats, stadium creator...dynamic line ups "dodgy team creators or not") work, as well as give the necessary inclusions to justify the dbc ?? selling point.

Will it be too much bother for BA?
It might be wishful thinking but they have just released another game, with that out of the way it may be that they will come back and look at outstanding issues with DBC 17. If the next installment was to be 2019, to me, it would show good will to people who own this game to give us one for the next 12-18 months that is without some of the existing issues. Were they aiming for a 2018 installment, releasing alongside the Ashes would be surely too good an opportunity to miss, I'd be happy with fixes to the outstanding game and small improvements rather than anything radical. Still, for a lot of people there would need to be something to justify the purchase and I'd hope it'd be more than 'well this one works better.' I think there are things that could be added or changed to the existing game to improve it; specifically to the academy and player creation and a team version of the career mode (playing x number of years as a team, picking squads etc). One thing they aren't lacking is an opinionated community, most of whom are realistic and want to help make it as good as possible.
 

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It might be wishful thinking but they have just released another game, with that out of the way it may be that they will come back and look at outstanding issues with DBC 17. If the next installment was to be 2019, to me, it would show good will to people who own this game to give us one for the next 12-18 months that is without some of the existing issues. Were they aiming for a 2018 installment, releasing alongside the Ashes would be surely too good an opportunity to miss, I'd be happy with fixes to the outstanding game and small improvements rather than anything radical. Still, for a lot of people there would need to be something to justify the purchase and I'd hope it'd be more than 'well this one works better.' I think there are things that could be added or changed to the existing game to improve it; specifically to the academy and player creation and a team version of the career mode (playing x number of years as a team, picking squads etc). One thing they aren't lacking is an opinionated community, most of whom are realistic and want to help make it as good as possible.
In short I feel, if they are not intending to release a patch or two solving the DBC issues/bugs, they can as well not think about next iteration of DBC. Because there will be lesser buyers of the game than DBC 17, most of them will think twice after what they have seen (non responsive Dev team) in DBC 17.
 
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In short I feel, if they are not intending to release a patch or two solving the DBC issues/bugs, they can as well not think about next iteration of DBC. Because there will be lesser buyers of the game than DBC 17, most of them will think twice after what they have seen (non responsive Dev team) in DBC 17.
Two years is a long time plus an aggressive/positive marketing strategy will help.
 

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In short I feel, if they are not intending to release a patch or two solving the DBC issues/bugs, they can as well not think about next iteration of DBC. Because there will be lesser buyers of the game than DBC 17, most of them will think twice after what they have seen (non responsive Dev team) in DBC 17.
I would still buy it because DBC17 wasn't a bad game.
Plus I think Big Ant will make a new DBC because its one of their biggest game and they can't just stop making it.
 

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It might be wishful thinking but they have just released another game, with that out of the way it may be that they will come back and look at outstanding issues with DBC 17. If the next installment was to be 2019, to me, it would show good will to people who own this game to give us one for the next 12-18 months that is without some of the existing issues. Were they aiming for a 2018 installment, releasing alongside the Ashes would be surely too good an opportunity to miss, I'd be happy with fixes to the outstanding game and small improvements rather than anything radical. Still, for a lot of people there would need to be something to justify the purchase and I'd hope it'd be more than 'well this one works better.' I think there are things that could be added or changed to the existing game to improve it; specifically to the academy and player creation and a team version of the career mode (playing x number of years as a team, picking squads etc). One thing they aren't lacking is an opinionated community, most of whom are realistic and want to help make it as good as possible.

Cheers for the constructive reply pal! Anyway truth be told for me personally I dont think much from this current game should be taken over to the next game. I completely agree there should be a team career mode in any future game and the academy needs work (or a complete re-think as to whether its worth it or not?). I hope there is a patch for those who still play this game, but personally I would want them to just put this game in the past and move on, time to get creative about the next one(?), maybe start having a chat with all those unemployed cricketers for a start lol!!!
 

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Cheers for the constructive reply pal! Anyway truth be told for me personally I dont think much from this current game should be taken over to the next game. I completely agree there should be a team career mode in any future game and the academy needs work (or a complete re-think as to whether its worth it or not?). I hope there is a patch for those who still play this game, but personally I would want them to just put this game in the past and move on, time to get creative about the next one(?), maybe start having a chat with all those unemployed cricketers for a start lol!!!
I'd give the match experience 6/10. I'm not sure what's easier as a developer; to build on what you have or start a fresh.

I'm probably gonna go completely off topic here and ramble about the academy.

I think the academy is great in terms of getting around licensing issues. However, having used it as much as playing the game, the are still glaring problems not just to the academy but that then seemingly effect other areas (placement of fielders and probably international selections in career mode). Simple things are really annoying: not being able to apply downloaded bats when in the equipment page of a player are really annoying or not being able to share kits like bats or transfer for them (from a men's to women's team).

The kit creation itself allows some great kits to be designed but it's also hindered by basically painting a blank canvas. It can take ages to get things in the right place or symettrical. Slots on sleeves, chest, collars etc for sponsors might be better and would make it easier. I reckon one possible reason we don't see long sleeve shirts in the game is because when you add a logo design to a short sleeve shirt it can look great, when you preview the long sleeve variation it looks silly because there's some big random patch of colour or a design from the logo that is hidden when designing in short sleeves. In PES when you create a kit you can use a template and just upload a PNG like this: https://www.pes-patch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Milan-Kits.png and the kits in the game look great.

This is something I've said before but player creation and editing could be made more consistent and straight forward by removing the skills from view. Instead just have a rating system for a player (World Class, Amateur, County etc). With the set ratings for different levels you'll get consistency for the most part, it'll make it easier testing the game for one. I've been tweaking skill settings for six months to see what difference it makes and I couldn't tell if you a World Class player should be rated 90 or 40 or a tail ender should be rated 5 or 20. It's difficult to know when they are underpowered or overpowered. Alongside this add different individual specialities each player can have for batting, bowling and fielding. Back foot specialist, Death Over specialist, Run Out speciliast. Stuff like that.

You could also incorporate these skills into career mode so rather than just going up in skill points you learn new deliveries, shots, fielding techniques or getting a faster progression at them - bascially like a skill tree you see in other games. You could become a 'Wrong Un Specialist' if you get five wickets bowling googlies or bowl 500 googlies. In the background your skills go up for bowling the googly. Same with learning to execute the Dilscoop or that thing where fielders jump in the air on the boundary and push the ball back in and catch it, could make fielding more interesting. I dunno I'm waffling now.
 

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@wasteyouryouth A lot of what you said was mentioned in the 'DBC17 wish list' thread post-DBC14 and unfortunately it has not been acted upon. Simple stuff that you mentioned re changes in the academy would make a considerable difference...
 

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As they've released 2 games with that same issue @wasteyouryouth mentions - nobody knows how to skill players appropriately and big any can't/won't reveal, it would be absurd not to have an approach much like you say which is what I advocated for dbc17 based off my frustrations in that area from 14.

Forgetting "error" issues like the stats, there are a number of fundamental design flaws that rethinking.
 

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Dear me! I believe, I accidentally found an workaround. In season 2 of my international career, I've got the majority of real life test players and correct squads back on.

What I did:
1. got frustrated while playing with not so famous/ already retired players and deleted it.
2. After 3 weeks, I re-downloaded and installed it. With steam cloud sync on, I got all my saved data back.
3. Except my career data, I've removed everything else and turn the sync off to turn it to a vanilla game.
4. Re-downloaded all the teams from academy. A trick here: Try to download all domestic teams correctly with real player linked. I've got a notion that the dynamic line-up works like this, it picks the most successful performer in domestic circuit for international squad, over times.
5. Booted my career up and voila, I've got changes in squad. Earlier, in my India team, Ashwin was skipper but Now, I got Kohli back. For some reason, I'm getting Mohit Sharma in our regular XI, but at-least he is still playing.. so can live with that!

I'd encourage all career freaks to try it out and share your findings! :)
 

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Cheers for the constructive reply pal! Anyway truth be told for me personally I dont think much from this current game should be taken over to the next game. I completely agree there should be a team career mode in any future game and the academy needs work (or a complete re-think as to whether its worth it or not?). I hope there is a patch for those who still play this game, but personally I would want them to just put this game in the past and move on, time to get creative about the next one(?), maybe start having a chat with all those unemployed cricketers for a start lol!!!
I just think they have lost a lot of people willing to go out and buy another version of the game...especially when it's launched
 

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