An atheist professor and a student.

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This conversation is very enlightining.It a very good read.Partly because of the fact that the boy being talked about is a very famous personality.


An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and .....

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How
is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is
God good?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?
Student does not answer.

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?
Student has no answer.

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.



Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.



Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.



Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.



Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything
called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure
cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence
of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something.
You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if
you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness,
isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there
is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing
the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir,
science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.


Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
the argument is going.)


Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The
class is in uproar.)



Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's
brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)



Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain,
felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according
to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol,
science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That is
all that keeps things moving & alive.
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NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation...... this is a true story, and
the
student was none other than.........
Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, the present president of India.
 
andrew_nixon said:
This is not a true story, it is usually attributed to Albert Einstein though. See http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

It is of course designed to be an insulting conversation, borne of bigotry towards atheists.

Such a skeptic eH Andrew...Im more open minded but then

:p :p :p "Open mindedness is the absence of knoledge" :p :p :p
 
manee said:
Such a skeptic eH Andrew...Im more open minded but then

:p :p :p "Open mindedness is the absence of knoledge" :p :p :p
Always best to be skeptical. It's a fact that this story is false anyway. It's sad that people see nothing wrong with spreading sickening bigotry such as that.
 
But you have to admit...to those who dont know better it is a very enligtening conversation that explains simple yet complex philosohpical laws.
 
manee said:
But you have to admit...to those who dont know better it is a very enligtening conversation that explains simple yet complex philosohpical laws.
No. It's a conversation designed to humiliate the atheist. It casts the atheist as the villian. It's purpose is to spread negative perceptions of atheists.
 
andrew_nixon said:
No. It's a conversation designed to humiliate the atheist. It casts the atheist as the villian. It's purpose is to spread negative perceptions of atheists.

Oh so true...I see you are very smart but answer this (Im only 14 so dont have a god at me if this makes no sense) :

An atheist believes in systems instead of beings that "control" or oporate us. But then who "oporates" the systems
 
manee said:
Oh so true...I see you are very smart but answer this (Im only 14 so dont have a god at me if this makes no sense) :

An atheist believes in systems instead of beings that "control" or oporate us. But then who "oporates" the systems
I'm not going to get into philosophical/religious arguments with you. There are plenty of other forums where that is allowed if you want to pursue them yourself.
 
Hmmm.....
If someone presents fact, I don't argue.However, the above is also from a respectable site.

As for atheist discussion, it is not meant to convert one type into another.
The post simply presents facts from both atheist and theist (belivers of god) point of view.
It's up to reader to decide what he believes in.However a discussion is good is kept in check.
:cheers
 
That was a great student! May it be true or false, but that was good! I am surprised that people didn't respond to that, just treating it as false! Atleast someone has written it, try to find some faults in it to prove that God does not exist!
 
Everyone is free to practise what he/she believes or does not.No point arguing that.Any way nice approach.I wonder if I was the student could I have said such statements to my Proffessor?
 
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