Bizzare, famous, interesting and disgusting records in cricket

[Satan666]

Came across the title on the web, found it quite amazing. So guys and girls and spoony please post some of these records here so we can discuss them.

So, here are two:

- Wilfred Rhodes the English man made his debut in 1899 and played in his final test age 52 years in 1930, may be Sachin might outlive him and claim the record as the oldest test cricketer.

-Sachin Tendulkar, claimed by cricket followers, a billion plus Indians in India and the Indian diaspora seeking refuge in other countries around the world hail this man as the best cricketer ever, even better than the great Don Bradman. However here is the disgusting fact his highest score in test cricket stands to date at 248, he may past this he is still playing but until then the so-called legend has been incapable of scoring a triple century like the Bradmans, Laras, Sehwags, Clarkes, Jayawardene and a long list of other legends.

 

[shravi]

Plot twist: This thread isn't really about Rhodes, Bradman, Lara, Sehwag, Clarke, or Jayawardene

 

[Owzat]

Tendulkar is hailed as the best cricketer ever?!?!?? Really?!?!?!?! Must be a whole heap of bias, subjectivity and few with a worthwhile point of comparison since I doubt most of us saw Bradman bat, least of all in this era since he didn't..........................

As for triple hundreds, not really the benchmark of quality but more a sad indictment of the state of mainly pitches but also bowling. These days very good batsmen and world class cricketers alike can score triples, which makes me think of two "famous" come "disgusting" records - when Hayden made 380 against Zimbabwe which was thankfully displaced as the world record Test high, and when Gillespie made 201no.

Both very nicely reinforce my point, Gillespie made his 201no, which must be a record, against a side which holds very "disgusting" records pertaining to being useless and not good enough. Hayden made his 380 against Zimbabwe, making more runs on his own than Zimbabwe made as a team in either innings. When the team is making 735/6d at 5.02 runs per over then you know in your heart of hearts that the record is meaningless and not worthy. Zimbabwe were out of Tests for a while, but have only won two Tests since that 2003 Test, both against Bangladesh. In fact they haven't beaten a decent side since beating India in June 2001.

Talking of records :

Zimbabwe : P87 W9 D26 L52 (Won 10.34%)
Zimbabwe have beaten Bangladesh five times, India twice and Pakistan twice.

Bangladesh : P75 W3 D7 L65 (Won 4.00%)
Bangladesh have beaten West Indies twice, and their only series win against them when West Indies had a weakened side, and Zimbabwe once. 19 of their 75 Tests have been against West Indies or Zimbabwe, a further nine against New Zealand.

Bangladesh vs NZE/WIN/ZIM : P28 W3 D6 L19 (Lost 67.86%)
Bangladesh vs the rest : P47 W0 D1 L46 (Lost 97.87%)

That solitary draw that Bangladesh have managed against better opposition came against India in 06/07 when only 219.1 overs were bowled. Ironically Bangladeshi bowler Mortaza was MOTM, as much I would surmise for his 79 runs as his five wickets. With a Test record like that there have to be either two tiers or something done so that sides aren't just rolling up and Bangladesh rolling over most of the time, their record even against the likes of West Indies, Zimbabwe and New Zealand who are no great shakes is pretty appalling. If they were half decent they would at least draw a handful of games against top sides, and a far better percentage of wins against both splits.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

record innings are mostly rubbish, lara's 400 was piled up on a glass flat track with it's only merit being that it took the record away from an even less deserving hayden. would be better to simply forget the record even exists. tbh, lara's status as a rival of ponting and tendulkar rests quite a lot on his ability to make pointlessly long knocks.

 

[puddleduck]

It was more his ability to score runs despite his team being rubbish

Lest we ignore the likes of his match winning innings in Australia.

The guy still smashed 501*, 375 and 400* ... pointless maybe, but a sure sign that the man could score runs when he wanted to.

 

[sifter132]

tbh, lara's status as a rival of ponting and tendulkar rests quite a lot on his ability to make pointlessly long knocks.

Woah, those are fighting words for Lara supporters stinky. I'm looking through Lara's 200+ scores, and most of them came: a) after the other team had made 500+ in their first innings ie. no chance of result, or b) the rest of his team made squat all between them and he scored half the runs. Yep a couple of those in group a) were definitely pointless, but most were needed to try and get WI a draw. The more sinister claim (by others) that he's a selfish player doesn't really play out. Only the 375 and 400 would cover that - they were long 1st innings where a declaration should have come earlier.

Or if you're saying that it's only that 375, 400 and the 501 that make Lara great I will shout you down with everything I've got Lara was great even without those 3.

 

[spooony]

Cricketers to play for 2 countries = Amir Elahi, Gul Mohammad, AH Kardar first for India then Pakistan. JJ Ferris, WE Midwinter, WL Murdoch, AE Trott, SMJ Woods first for Australia then for England. SC Guillen (windies to Kiwis), F Hearne & F Mitchell (England to South Africa), Nawab Pataudi Senior (England to India), AJ Traicos (South Africa to Zimbabwe) and Kappler Wessels for Australia then South Africa.

Most Extras in an innings = Pakistan against West Indies at Georgetown in guyana. A total of 71 extra runs were conceeded by Pakistani's, with 21 byes, 11 legbyes, 4 wides & no less than 38 no balls. The only team to come close for most extra records is again Pakistan with 68 against same windies at Bridgetown. 5 years earlier.

The relationship cricketers = make another amazing list. A total of 36 father-son combination have played International test matches. A pair of four brothers (Hanif, Mushtaq, Sadiq & Wazir Mohammad for Pakistan), 6 pair of three brothers (Chappells & Ranatunga's the famous ones) and no less than 66 two brother pairs have graced test cricket at certain point of time.

Mick Lewis 10-0-113

Bradman - avg 99.94. Just to show how crap the cricketers were back then Bradman was kicked out of the army for having a poor eye site and his reflexes were below average when tested at the Australian University,

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

Or if you're saying that it's only that 375, 400 and the 501 that make Lara great I will shout you down with everything I've got Lara was great even without those 3.

nah, I'm saying breaking the world innings records launched him into the public conscious in a way only really warne, ponting and tendulkar were. if you asked my dad which cricketers currently playing he knew he'd say "shane warne, ricky punting, freddie flintoff, brian lara and tendoolkar? "

he would pronounce them like that by the way. punter was famous for being the captain of the mega-aussies, warne for stuffing england in the ashes every year, flintoff purely for the ashes 2005, tendulkar for being some sort of weird cult in india (and he only heard of him relatively late on because it was when he was way out infront of the aggregates that he took note, incidently, another largely pointless record) and lara because was that west indian bloke that scored 4 or 500 (he wouldn't know one was in tests and the other in county). so yeah, I'm saying his status rested a fair bit on being the guy that hit some massive scores and perhaps without those records, which are arguably two of his most selfish and pointless he might not have found himself quite as out there as some of his peers. would the computer game brian lara cricket exist without them? doubtful imo.

I could go into almost any pub in glasgow and no one would know who kallis was in comparison.

I'm obviously not saying he's crap, and of course, I also like throwing some provacative stuff out there to see what happens

 

[Satan666]

I dont think youre trying to be provocative just illiterate and ill informed as to Lara's achievement. In the 98/99 series against AUS boasting a lineup of Warne/McGrath and Gillespie at their lethatl best Lara scored a magnificent 153 winning the game for WI, still rated as the best inns ever after Bradman.

See if you can find Sachin's name in this list:

rediff.com: cricket channel: Top 100 Batsmen of all time


Saying that the 375 launched him is crap also, in his 7th test he was already being hailed by pundits as a gem of the game:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-tony-cozier-reports-from-sydney-1477597.html

I advise you to read this educate yourself, go up on the cricinfo website and check the player profile of Brian Lara, then share all this info with your misinformed dad also. With that being said I still respect your view as Lara not being all that, dont agree with it but respect your opinion.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

"pundits"

there's a huuuuge difference between pundits rating him and him being one of the most famous players in the game. ask some people to name a footballer and see how many say "david beckham" (though I guess only football fans will get that) I could be swayed that the records are the reason he's seen in the cricket world as the one of the best batsmen of the last 20 years, but there's absolutely no way they're not the reason he's one of the most famous.

again, taking my dad, or flatmate or literally anyone else I know that doesn't follow cricket at all; 153 against australia? they've never heard of it mate. 400 against england, that's the one they know.

as I said, fairly ironic that two of the innings that actually showed off some of his worst aspects, and were actually kinda bad for the sport, are what he's known for by the majority of people and what his reputation as a giant of the game is built on.

 

[Satan666]

"pundits"

there's a huuuuge difference between pundits rating him and him being one of the most famous players in the game. ask some people to name a footballer and see how many say "david beckham" (though I guess only football fans will get that) I could be swayed that the records are the reason he's seen in the cricket world as the one of the best batsmen of the last 20 years, but there's absolutely no way they're not the reason he's one of the most famous.

again, taking my dad, or flatmate or literally anyone else I know that doesn't follow cricket at all; 153 against australia? they've never heard of it mate. 400 against england, that's the one they know.

as I said, fairly ironic that two of the innings that actually showed off some of his worst aspects, and were actually kinda bad for the sport, are what he's known for by the majority of people and what his reputation as a giant of the game is built on.

What exactly is your argument? Him being famous the world over or being one of the legends of the game?

You go on to use Beckham as an example, one of the best footballers of his time but had an active social life, married a former Spice girl member and became popular in Hollywood due to his sexiness. Obviously Lara is not of the same ilk as him, Sachin has a billion plus Indians ready to hand over their lives to him, he is obviously famous but here is what baby boy fame dont win games, class and tenacity does and thats what Lara did during his playing career which is why people who are literate and follow cricket would back him a 100% as being among the best ever to grace the game. Ask some of the members on this forum their views aboutLara and I am sure it would be opposite to yours.

 

[shravi]

I feel like you aren't even bothering to read what he's writing. You are mistaking someone else's view of Lara to be Stinky's.

 

[Satan666]

The famous MCG located in Victoria, Australia is the largest stadium to ever host a cricket match the ground also holds the record for the highest light towers at any sporting venue in the world.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

What exactly is your argument? Him being famous the world over or being one of the legends of the game?

You go on to use Beckham as an example, one of the best footballers of his time but had an active social life, married a former Spice girl member and became popular in Hollywood due to his sexiness. Obviously Lara is not of the same ilk as him, Sachin has a billion plus Indians ready to hand over their lives to him, he is obviously famous but here is what baby boy fame dont win games, class and tenacity does and thats what Lara did during his playing career which is why people who are literate and follow cricket would back him a 100% as being among the best ever to grace the game. Ask some of the members on this forum their views aboutLara and I am sure it would be opposite to yours.

you're not reading now. in fact, ask anyone that follows football, beckham is generally not regarded as anything like one of the best footballers of all time. but you knew him because he was famous, it's not that he's famous for doing anything really good in football, it was for marrying a spice girl, but yet you still have gone as far as calling him one of the best ever?

which probably makes my point better than anything I could say.

why say "fame don't win games" lara only won about 30 games in his career, tendulkar nearer 70 and ponting over 100. so, yeah, again it's like you're agreeing with me. in fact, probably to the point I feel I have to say slow down, Lara was still a great cricketer and probably entitled to be seen as the 3rd member of the big three, stop laying into him.

 

[Satan666]

you're not reading now. in fact, ask anyone that follows football, beckham is generally not regarded as anything like one of the best footballers of all time. but you knew him because he was famous, it's not that he's famous for doing anything really good in football, it was for marrying a spice girl, but yet you still have gone as far as calling him one of the best ever?

which probably makes my point better than anything I could say.

why say "fame don't win games" lara only won about 30 games in his career, tendulkar nearer 70 and ponting over 100. so, yeah, again it's like you're agreeing with me. in fact, probably to the point I feel I have to say slow down, Lara was still a great cricketer and probably entitled to be seen as the 3rd member of the big three, stop laying into him.

Sure I will STOP but here is what I aint rate Sachin anywhere near Lara and Ponting! Also I still regard Beckham as one of the best in his time, remember the phrase ''Bend it like Beckham' and he really bent some strikes into the onion bags during his career, but thats my view!