Botha's doosra ruled illegal by ICC

[Cricketman]

The biggest chucker by far has got to be Inzy. The big man in an ICL game last year must've thought he was in a game of baseball, just throwing them in .

 

[irottev]

Why is he allowed to bowl in the World 20? I saw him chucking again against Scotland. Just ban the guy.


Once a chucker, always a chucker.

 

[King Pietersen]

He didn't bowl the doosra, so therefore wasn't chucking. His off-spinner isn't a chuck, nor is his quicker ball. Your views on so called 'chuckers' are laughable.

 

[Howsie]

Botha's action is terrible and for mine I still think he is chucking the ball. Did anyone see the quicker one he bowled yesterday, his action changed a lot.

 

[King Pietersen]

His complete range of deliveries were extensively tested, and the tests proved that the only ball where the straightening of the elbow exceeded the 15 degrees limit was the doosra. It's the same with Murali, he's been tested, and proven that he doesn't chuck, but people still call him a chucker because it 'looks like he chucks'. It's bullshit.

 

[Howsie]

His complete range of deliveries were extensively tested, and the tests proved that the only ball where the straightening of the elbow exceeded the 15 degrees limit was the doosra. It's the same with Murali, he's been tested, and proven that he doesn't chuck, but people still call him a chucker because it 'looks like he chucks'. It's bullshit.

Have you actually read anything on how they test the players?

I've read and been told that the testing the ICC do is very easy to cheat, a player can easily change the way he bowls in a test.

 

[King Pietersen]

Do you honestly believe that a bowler can accurately control the amount of straightening that occures throughout their action? I seriously doubt that. They'd have to know their action and their body's to a tee to understand something like that, and I tell you what, there are very few bowlers in World Cricket that truely understand their actions and what exactly it is their body's doing.

 

[Howsie]

Yes, I can't imagine it would be that hard. If Botha bowls his quicker ball in a game at 100 kmph he could easily tweek his action just a little in a test and get away with a 90-95 kmph quicker ball.

Testing is just a waste of time.

 

[King Pietersen]

How exactly would you go about deciphering whether someone's a chucker then? Because if it's purely your eyes, then there's already 1 flaw in that with Murali's action.

 

[Howsie]

I have no idea, but how many times does a player get reported for chucking and then gets told he is fine. Actually how many players haven't been able to pass this test, Razzak is the only one I can think of.

 

[King Pietersen]

Razzaq, Marlon Samuels, Shabbir Ahmed and Botha's doosra have all failed the ICC's Test, and there are probably more that have failed, those are the ones I'm aware of.

The reason players get reported and then get told their action's are fine, is because the eye's only see the action in real time, and quite a few actions can seem suspect in real time and on TV replays, but often you'll find that in ultra slow motion, the majority of bowlers have very little straightening of the arm. Muralitharan's action for example is purely an optical illusion, that looks like a chuck to us, with a clear flexing of the elbow, but the rotation in fact comes from the wrist and shoulders. The current method is the only plausible method of testing bowlers.

Edit: Turns out Shoaib was once banned because of his action as well. How credible the source is I'm not sure, but here it is anyway:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000101/sports.htm#1

 

[Howsie]

The thing I don't like about Botha's situation is that he has been told not to bowl his doosra. What happens if he bowls one in a game and he takes a wicket. Are the on-field umpires going to see it. becasue watching it on youtube I can't see the difference.

 

[King Pietersen]

He'll get banned I imagine. He's barely bowled the Doosra in the last year anyway. I've certainly never seen him bowl one, think he admitted himself a few weeks back that he's not bowled it much at all.

 

[Howsie]

He was bowling them in Australia.

 

[Themer]

Edit: Turns out Shoaib was once banned because of his action as well. How credible the source is I'm not sure, but here it is anyway:

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Sport

Wouldn't go on that Website my Anti Virus picked up a trojan on that page and wouldn't let me load it.