Darrel Hair Suing PCB/ICC For Racial Discrimination?

[cricketmad09]

Good on him, that is exactly the thing I have been saying all along, even had a school public speaking comp where I spoke about it. Racism goes both ways, Black to White and White to Black, and often it is the overuse of racism that contributes to racism against Whites. Every little thing a white man does to a black man is called racism these days, look at Gibbs, calls some abusiv fans monkeys, and he's a racist. It's all political these days.

Exactly.

You only need 1 word to prove yourself right.

Mugabe.

 

[sohum]

No, you could sue a company from another country whilst not going to do it in that country of where it resides.

I don't think the PCB is exactly a company. And I am not sure, but I doubt that Hair would have the legal grounds to sue the PCB from London. He would have to sue the PCB under Pakistani law, because they would probably be registered with the Pakistani government as a valid organization.

I think the only organization where Hair can legally deal with the PCB is the ICC, and I don't think they do that.

 

[smssia0112]

That's one of the worst things I've read on PC in a long time.

If you can't work out why what he said was wrong then you should be worried.

It wasn't wrong, if someone walks up to you in the street and calls your friend or even girlfriend an idiot or abuses her, you would retaliate, unless he looked dangerous, if that guy was white, it isn't racism, but if he's black it is, and that's what is wrong. There are abusive Pakistani fans, just as there are abusive Australian fans, and abusive Indian fans, England fans, West Indian fans, South African fans. All Gibbs did wrong was generalize, but that meant nothing because the fans who abused Harris were monkeys, it's one thing to support your team but abusing the other is wrong. Yes he made a comment which perhaps he should've kept to himself, or for the dressing room, but he didn't even abuse anyone directly, he said it to another player, that's almost banning thoughts, if he calls a player a monkey it's sledging but if he calls a fan a monkey it's racism?

Please specify your argument next time before giving me bad rep, but this isn't a discussion about Gibbs anyway.

Back to Hair, it seems clear that this is about racism, not because the PCB said 'oh he's a white man, let's get him sacked', but because he was called a racist without any base or proof, other than he made a tough call against a black team, and that is racism, to call someone a racist because of something normal they did against a black person/team. Leats break down this stupid barriers down once and for all and stop whinging about racism, because the only reason Darrell Hair got in trouble was because Pakistan had to shift the blame, they never conceded that what Inzamam did was against the rules, they never followed the proper avenues, they just used a tired, old excuse, because Darrell Hair followed the rules. I am disgusted at what the PCB have retorted back, saying how dare he bring racism into this, as if they didn't open the can in the first place.

Darrell Hair may not win, but if it gets people to sit up and notice that racism happens against whites too, and that politics rule cricket, then I will be satisfied, and I hope Hair will be too.

 

[anandbatra]

other than he made a tough call against a black team, and that is racism, to call someone a racist because of something normal they did against a black person/team.

Pakistan is a black team? You do realize there are other races than black and white?

 

[smssia0112]

I do, and I apologize for that comment, I did not wish to offend anyone, I simply mean that general skin colour classification is black and white, I am fully aware that there are many other races.

 

[sohum]

I do, and I apologize for that comment, I did not wish to offend anyone, I simply mean that general skin colour classification is black and white, I am fully aware that there are many other races.

It actually isn't like that. Where do you think brown fits in, then? It seems like you want to paint Darrell Hair as a victim when he quiet clearly wasn't. Going back to your argument in the previous post:

It wasn't wrong, if someone walks up to you in the street and calls your friend or even girlfriend an idiot or abuses her, you would retaliate, unless he looked dangerous.

There is an argument to be made that that is exactly what Hair did when he accused Pakistan of ball-tampering. Especially so given that he could not come up with the proof afterwards. So you are claiming Pakistan were not allowed a retaliation? Inzy should have taken it and gone on just like you would have taken it in and gone on when someone called your "friend or even girlfriend an idiot"?

It's also quite clear that Darrell Hair had been consistently not upholding the highest standards of umpiring. You can look elsewhere on this forum for evidence of that. There is indeed an argument to be made that Hair was fired because of dropping standards. I don't remember any hullabaloo when Asoka de Silva was dropped from the Elite Panel.

And finally, the ICC are perfectly within their right to employ or fire any person they see fit. It's how a company works and in the end the ICC is just another company. In what other sport do you see umpires or referees going after the body due to discrimination? It seems that Hair is just trying to feed off his controversial past. I'm pretty sure a book is in the offing as well.

 

[anandbatra]

I do, and I apologize for that comment, I did not wish to offend anyone, I simply mean that general skin colour classification is black and white, I am fully aware that there are many other races.

General skin colours would be White, Black, Yellow(East Asians) and Brown(South Asians).

 

[rickyp]

It's also quite clear that Darrell Hair had been consistently not upholding the highest standards of umpiring. You can look elsewhere on this forum for evidence of that. There is indeed an argument to be made that Hair was fired because of dropping standards. I don't remember any hullabaloo when Asoka de Silva was dropped from the Elite Panel.

Thats not true and has no basis. Within a small timeframe of the Oval incident he was rated the ICC's 2nd best umpire.

And finally, the ICC are perfectly within their right to employ or fire any person they see fit. It's how a company works and in the end the ICC is just another company. In what other sport do you see umpires or referees going after the body due to discrimination? It seems that Hair is just trying to feed off his controversial past. I'm pretty sure a book is in the offing as well.

There needs to be grounds for someones contract to be terminated, otherwise you can go to the unfair dismissal board. What were the grounds for Hair's termination? (yes the asking for 500k one is obvious)

 

[siddharth2002]

I think this topic seems to be taking a different turn whereas the actual fact is that Hair has simply sued ICC and PCB for any racial or whatever discrimination that he felt while doing his job under his job guidelines. So its just a p1ssed off employee who thinks he has been wrongly accused for something. For which he has the right to appeal regardless of outcome.
On umpiring note, he is a little biased and has been harsh on Asian players using his position to maximum so, he can't be allowed to stand in major international matches again.
That's just what I think though, racism obviously being a very sensitive and touchy subject in today's world.

 

[Sureshot]

It wasn't wrong, if someone walks up to you in the street and calls your friend or even girlfriend an idiot or abuses her, you would retaliate, unless he looked dangerous, if that guy was white, it isn't racism, but if he's black it is, and that's what is wrong. There are abusive Pakistani fans, just as there are abusive Australian fans, and abusive Indian fans, England fans, West Indian fans, South African fans. All Gibbs did wrong was generalize, but that meant nothing because the fans who abused Harris were monkeys, it's one thing to support your team but abusing the other is wrong. Yes he made a comment which perhaps he should've kept to himself, or for the dressing room, but he didn't even abuse anyone directly, he said it to another player, that's almost banning thoughts, if he calls a player a monkey it's sledging but if he calls a fan a monkey it's racism?

You were wrong, calling someone a monkey is racism, be they be a player or a fan. I never said black>white wasn't racism compared to white>black.

Banning thoughts? People have to be held responsible for their actions and thoughts.

All Gibbs did wrong was generalize, but that meant nothing because the fans who abused Harris were monkeys

What? Good at digging holes aren't you.

 

[smssia0112]

You were wrong, calling someone a monkey is racism, be they be a player or a fan. I never said black>white wasn't racism compared to white>black.

Banning thoughts? People have to be held responsible for their actions and thoughts.




What? Good at digging holes aren't you.

A monkey? Because monkey's are brown? It's their behaviour, you've got no idea what he meant clearly.

There is an argument to be made that that is exactly what Hair did when he accused Pakistan of ball-tampering. Especially so given that he could not come up with the proof afterwards. So you are claiming Pakistan were not allowed a retaliation? Inzy should have taken it and gone on just like you would have taken it in and gone on when someone called your "friend or even girlfriend an idiot"?

Yes they can protest, in the legal and formal matter, they can't hold up a packed house, 2 batsmen and an umpire because they don't like the decision, they can wait a few hours and lodge an official complaint.

 

[Sureshot]

Dean, you don't get it do you?

 

[Adarsh]

Hair wasn't kicked out because his decisions were racist. Correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[ZoraxDoom]

He was kicked out cause the Pakistanis are whingers. He made a decision fully in the rules...racism had nothing to do with it. Idiocity and cowardice from the ICC and some cry-baby antics from the PCB yes, but no racism...

 

[Sureshot]

Don't be silly Zorax, everyone knows the ICC did exactly what was right