ICCCT2006: SCMODS' assesment of every teams chances

Well i'm definitley siding with Sri Lanka after watching their recent performances. They are full of confidence and seem to have a good team spirit.
 
I agree Ben; I think the only other rival is Trescothick but he is badly out of form. Strauss is a close contender too.
 
evertonfan said:
I agree Ben; I think the only other rival is Trescothick but he is badly out of form. Strauss is a close contender too.

How could you forget mighty Freddie?
 
sid_19840 said:
How could you forget mighty Freddie?

As a batsman? He's our best bowler and a good batsman, but I don't think he's out best with the willow.

EDIT: Ah, it seems I misread his post. Flintoff is definitley up there as one of the best in terms of high strike-rates.
 
With regards to the Afridi debate, he isn't just like any other batsman because he has got records to his name. If you claim that any old batsman can get the fastest century in ODIs and have the most sixes in ODI cricket, then I can claim that any old person can get an average over 98 (not just the Don), any old batsman can have over 60 international centuries (not just Sachin) and any old bowler can take 10 wickets in an innings (not just Kumble).

Afridi isn't consistent and he probably wouldn't be part of the ideal Pakistani line-up but he is his own unique batsman and I agree with Zorax when he says no one can slog like Afridi.
 
brad352 said:
Being able to slog and get away with it more than most makes him not a slogger? I'm failing to see your logic there
If you think all he does is skilless, mindless slogging, then you try and score hundreds off less than 40 balls. Go on, let me see you, or anyone else do it.

He is more than just an amazing hitter, he:
A) Is an excellent bowler. Unlike Waugh, he can bowl. He has a legbreak, flipper, topspinner, quicker one and even a wrong 'un (Off break). He started as a spin bowler, and was one of the original modern-day fast spinners alongside Jayasuriya and Kumble and even Waugh which started a whole new phenomeneon. He is destructive on dusty and slow pitches, and controls his pace well. Probably Pakistan's best OD spinner at the moment
B) An outstanding fielder. Athletic, agile, quick, safe hands and a powerful throw to boot.

He is a great allround component in a team which already boasts an excellent lineup (Considering they have no internal problems and are at full strength and consistency) with 10 players:
4 world class seamers (Akhtar+Asif+Naved/Gul+Razzaq)
A more than useful spinner, maybe even two if Butt isn't playing. (Malik+Hafeez)
5 top class batsmen (Yousuf, Younis, Inzy, Akmal and Butt if playing)
A great fielding unit (Malik, Hafeez, Razzaq, Farhat if playing, Butt if playing, Umar if playing)
He justs add a little more to each department.
 
He doesn't seem to play ODIs much. I don't know why. Kind like Hoggard. I mean, they pick Arshad Khan over him!
 
Afridi suffers from people expecting too much from him. He's in the side in my mind as a good spinner who can do something special with the bat at times. He needs to be told to forget about the team in a way and play his own game, without the pressure of trying to hit every ball for six. He could win Pakistan this tournament, there aren't many players that you can say that about.
 
prarara said:
What happened to Kaneria?

They generally don't play him in Odi cricket, partly down to a lack of success in that form of the game in terms of both wickets and economy rates, and that coupled with being fairly useless with the bat and in the field, means he is not one of the most useful Odi players.
 
For a spinner to be successful in the shorter game they have to be deadly accurate for there overs. And i mean accurate, to the point everyball has to land in the same spot every time but then the spinner has to vary his bowling, such as extra flight etc.

I for one doubt i would keep my place on my squad if it was down to just my SLA or Chinaman bowling. As ive grown older and batsmen level out to be able to play spin a little bit ive decreased the number of overs i bowl to around 6 or 7 overs in a 40 over game (Allowed 8 overs each)

If i didnt bat i seriously doubt id be there every game, as my bowling doesnt keep me in OD team due to me having a wicket every 30 balls. which isnt too good but my batting makes up for it.

In a test match or a 3 day as i play, i have the capabilities to bowl 12 overs at a time and get a couple of wickets just from patience.

Now at ODI level it would be very hard for a spin bowler to be successful, so much so, that Warne wasnt hugely famous for his ODI form.

Afridi has the flair to win games in both bat and bowl departments, tha is why he can do it for Pakistan
 
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ZoraxDoom said:
If you think all he does is skilless, mindless slogging, then you try and score hundreds off less than 40 balls. Go on, let me see you, or anyone else do it.

He is more than just an amazing hitter, he:
A) Is an excellent bowler. Unlike Waugh, he can bowl. He has a legbreak, flipper, topspinner, quicker one and even a wrong 'un (Off break). He started as a spin bowler, and was one of the original modern-day fast spinners alongside Jayasuriya and Kumble and even Waugh which started a whole new phenomeneon. He is destructive on dusty and slow pitches, and controls his pace well. Probably Pakistan's best OD spinner at the moment
B) An outstanding fielder. Athletic, agile, quick, safe hands and a powerful throw to boot.

He is a great allround component in a team which already boasts an excellent lineup (Considering they have no internal problems and are at full strength and consistency) with 10 players:
4 world class seamers (Akhtar+Asif+Naved/Gul+Razzaq)
A more than useful spinner, maybe even two if Butt isn't playing. (Malik+Hafeez)
5 top class batsmen (Yousuf, Younis, Inzy, Akmal and Butt if playing)
A great fielding unit (Malik, Hafeez, Razzaq, Farhat if playing, Butt if playing, Umar if playing)
He justs add a little more to each department.

I wouldn't say he's got safe hands, looking at todays drop and his fielding in the One Day series last month.

He's a very good player, he does let himself down a bit too often, although that's the risk you take.
 
ZoraxDoom said:
If you think all he does is skilless, mindless slogging, then you try and score hundreds off less than 40 balls. Go on, let me see you, or anyone else do it.

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I'm sure I can't, and not many could- that's hardly the point, he got the runs because his slogging came off that day. How does that support your argument? I know he can hit a ball well, so does everyone else, but he certainly doesn't make his runs through intelligent batting.
 

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