Indian Selection: Is it biased ?

[icyman]

Here's the main question.
In your opinion is the Indian selection committee biased towards players from other zones.
Since Kiran More became the Head of the selection committee he has been trying to put more players into the eleven from his town i.e Baroda and neighboring Mumbai on no performance at all.

If you don't beleive me then:
1. Why select Parthiv for Pakistan 2006 ?
2. Why get Romesh Powar in ?
3.Always talk about getting Ganguly sacked from the team for good ?
4.Selected Wasim Jaffer ( nobody had an idea about his doemstic form till then)
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

 

[barmyarmy]

Not sure why this can't be discussed in the England in India thread but I'll let it stay open so you can convince me otherwise.

 

[icyman]

Well we could have done it there but i feel that it might just go off topic in that thread.Just talking about the selection in general.

 

[SaiSrini]

Here's the main question.
In your opinion is the Indian selection committee biased towards players from other zones.
Since Kiran More became the Head of the selection committee he has been trying to put more players into the eleven from his town i.e Baroda and neighboring Mumbai on no performance at all.

If you don't beleive me then:
1. Why select Parthiv for Pakistan 2006 ?
2. Why get Romesh Powar in ?
3.Always talk about getting Ganguly sacked from the team for good ?
4.Selected Wasim Jaffer ( nobody had an idea about his doemstic form till then)
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

Ask ronny_kingsley abt this and he has an entirely different version. He feels players from West Zone are not being treated well and are always on the wrong side of the coin. And now you say West Zone is being fed into india's international cricket at the cost of other zones.

funny that we have two people who look at the selection process in two entirely different angles. i think more is doing a fine job on selecting potentially promising players. his only problem is in the ganguly issue. otherwise, i dont think he is showing any bias towards a particular zone!

 

[sohum]

If you don't beleive me then:
1. Why select Parthiv for Pakistan 2006 ?
2. Why get Romesh Powar in ?
3.Always talk about getting Ganguly sacked from the team for good ?
4.Selected Wasim Jaffer ( nobody had an idea about his doemstic form till then)
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

1. No clue.
2. Well, why wasn't he selected earlier when he was performing well? Apart from that, it seems half our team was just selected to work the drinks.
3. The guy's played his time. I believe he was unceremoniously removed after a decent tour of Pakistan, but he is contesting for his spot with in-form players (Yuvraj, for example).
4. Jaffer had a terrific season with multiple hundreds, including a big double-century. Jaffer has been amongst the runs domestically for a while, now.
5. Munaf Patel took 10 wickets for less than 100 against England in the practice match. Why was he overlooked for VRV in the first place?

The selectors are doing their job reasonably well, though I must admit that the constant bickering about Ganguly is annoying me, too.

 

[ZexyZahid]

The Ganguly case seems to be closed.

More shuts the door on Ganguly
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/239588.html

I think I looked into Jaffer's figures when the Sri Lanka tour was on and was impressed by his figures. He also hit once 400 runs at school cricket. Didn't understand why he wasn't played earlier.

I am not sure when the selection was made for the first Test, but I think it was before or during the match when Patel got 10 wickets. His selection now maybe strenghtens that the selectors thought now otherwise.

 

[SaiSrini]

The Ganguly case seems to be closed.

More shuts the door on Ganguly
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/239588.html

I think I looked into Jaffer's figures when the Sri Lanka tour was on and was impressed by his figures. He also hit once 400 runs at school cricket. Didn't understand why he wasn't played earlier.

I am not sure when the selection was made for the first Test, but I think it was before or during the match when Patel got 10 wickets. His selection now maybe strenghtens that the selectors thought now otherwise.

Yes the commentators kept on saying Jaffer should have been inducted early. His technique is impeccable and his temperament is very good. He also seems to be a big match player just like Rahul Dravid!

 

[sohum]

Jaffer was given a chance earlier in the days when India were hunting desperately for an opener. He didn't immediately capitalize (although he did get a 50), and fell from the eyes of the Indian selectors. I think he was worked a lot on his technique to the point where he looks like a very solid cricketer.

As for Munaf's selection--it was made after Munaf picked up 5 wickets in the first innings. He then went on to pick up 5 more in the second. Also, it is not like you cannot make a small addition the squad for a circumstance such as that. Anyhow, our pace bowlers did pretty well in the match.

I don't think the selection process is biased, however I don't think it is as productive as it can be.

 

[varunvgiri]

Here's the main question.
In your opinion is the Indian selection committee biased towards players from other zones.
Since Kiran More became the Head of the selection committee he has been trying to put more players into the eleven from his town i.e Baroda and neighboring Mumbai on no performance at all.

If you don't beleive me then:
1. Why select Parthiv for Pakistan 2006 ?
2. Why get Romesh Powar in ?
3.Always talk about getting Ganguly sacked from the team for good ?
4.Selected Wasim Jaffer ( nobody had an idea about his doemstic form till then)
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

1. Parthiv was a very promising player with good batting ability.He was left out only because his keeping was not up to scratch. Maybe his keeping has improved. I wasnt too disappointed with that decision..

2. I would refrase th question as 'why is Ramesh Powar not given a decent run?'. The guy has been playing great in the domestic circuit for some time. Was picked in 2004 tour to pak. Was dropped. Why???? I dint think he was that disappointing.. He turns the ball quite a bit, has good drift and all. Some other spinners on the other hand get so many chances. Like Harbhajan got before he finally prved himself. Like Murali Karthik gets now. According to me, Harbhajan on present form should be dropped from next test and let Piyush Chowla or Powar play.

3. Because that is the right thing to do. Ganguly at his best would have struggled with Yuvraj and co. to get into this team.At this age there is no way he is coming back. But he shouldnt have been dropped so unceremoniously.

4. Plenty of people knew about his domestic form.The thing is that he got a run earlier and hadn't performes. They were giving Gambhir an extended run. Now he has been given another chance.

5. There was no way they could stop themselves from picking Yuvraj and Munaf. Raina and VRV are not gonna play the next test. So no point in keeping them to carry the drinks. They can have some practice in the domestic matches..

 

[ronny_kingsley]

Here's the main question.
In your opinion is the Indian selection committee biased towards players from other zones.
Since Kiran More became the Head of the selection committee he has been trying to put more players into the eleven from his town i.e Baroda and neighboring Mumbai on no performance at all.

If you don't beleive me then:
1. Why select Parthiv for Pakistan 2006 ?
2. Why get Romesh Powar in ?
3.Always talk about getting Ganguly sacked from the team for good ?
4.Selected Wasim Jaffer ( nobody had an idea about his doemstic form till then)
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

Mate start catching up with Indian domestic scene if not on TV do it through Cricinfo.

Parthiv Patel plays for Gujarat not for Baroda/Mumbai .Not sure why was he picked ahead of Pinal Shah(Indias u-19 and BAroda's wk when the selection commitee is trying to blood in youngsters.This guy is good and he will give even DHoni a run for his money.

Powar if not for being a Mumbai player would have been a regular fixture in the team.He is the best bowler for years now in the domestic scene ,add to it his explosive batting and you have got a really useful player.Its high time now that he be given a chnace and let Harbhajan colol heels.

Ganguly gone and gone for good.It has to do with the guy.People keep on saying Ganguly is politicsed but the guy did that himself.Didnt Ganguly play games himself when he was at the helm ????

Wasim Jaffer's form if you didnt hear about his form you should stop watching Indian cricket .

Munaf Patel's selection had to come and he will even play the match just because he can take wickets (ask the England team about it)He took 10 of the 18 wickets that fell in the practise match.

As far as your question is concerned yes selction has been biased but not towards West Zone palyers infact agaist them.


Fact:"An India Test squad has been having only 2 (maybe 3 sometimes)mumbai players for so many years now.More that that rd hasnt been quite seen for a long time.Now that Jaffer has bene picked Agarkar has ben dropped."

Strange not quite this is what is quota system is all about.

 

[icyman]

Accepted patel plays for Gujurat and not baroda.also my the thread is not only because of these questions but others as well.

 

[Bala]

Mate start catching up with Indian domestic scene if not on TV do it through Cricinfo.

Parthiv Patel plays for Gujarat not for Baroda/Mumbai .Not sure why was he picked ahead of Pinal Shah(Indias u-19 and BAroda's wk when the selection commitee is trying to blood in youngsters.This guy is good and he will give even DHoni a run for his money.

Powar if not for being a Mumbai player would have been a regular fixture in the team.He is the best bowler for years now in the domestic scene ,add to it his explosive batting and you have got a really useful player.Its high time now that he be given a chnace and let Harbhajan colol heels.

Ganguly gone and gone for good.It has to do with the guy.People keep on saying Ganguly is politicsed but the guy did that himself.Didnt Ganguly play games himself when he was at the helm ????

Wasim Jaffer's form if you didnt hear about his form you should stop watching Indian cricket .

Munaf Patel's selection had to come and he will even play the match just because he can take wickets (ask the England team about it)He took 10 of the 18 wickets that fell in the practise match.

As far as your question is concerned yes selction has been biased but not towards West Zone palyers infact agaist them.


Fact:"An India Test squad has been having only 2 (maybe 3 sometimes)mumbai players for so many years now.More that that rd hasnt been quite seen for a long time.Now that Jaffer has bene picked Agarkar has ben dropped."

Strange not quite this is what is quota system is all about.

1. Agreed wholeheartedly on most points. Pinal Shah should certainly be given a nod ahead of Parthiv. Opininons about his handful first class matches should not be held against him considering Parthiv's test debut happened before his Ranji debut.

2. Same with Powar. He should have been given a run, especially considering his batting skills.

3. I feel that there is no point in discussing Ganguly anymore. Bringing him into the equation only upsets the balance of the team. He has certainly been sorted out by the international bowlers, including Blessing Mahwire.

4. I would say Gambhir was quite lucky, having a run even with a pathetic form. Jaffer was scoring in tons and his season average is a staggering 78 with a double ton to the boot.

5. I have earlier stressed that Munaf should get the nod ahead of VRV. Munaf has a briskness, which VRV lacks and that would cost in a flat track. VRV needs to be groomed further. and Raina? with the in-form Yuvraj back, who is to be dropped. Kaif? after the best knock of the whole match? or Laxman. Though Laxman might be a possible number 1 contender in the selector's chopping block, the man is a proven class act. So the obvoius misfit was Raina.

Though I would agree on all these, my cry is why talent from south is being overlooked? Ramesh was given the boot at the same time when the hopeless Akash Chopra was given the nod. Badani is yet another case of the unlucky cricketer. I mean, what else has the man to do?

Robin Uthappa is still being overlooked, so is Venugopal Rao. I would like to give Tamil Nadu's Vidyut Sivaramakrishnan a run atleast in the 'A' team. And needless to say Ambatti Rayudu - The much hyped child prodigy, who still cannot make the cut.

Last, Any one ever heard of Kanwaljeet Singh, K.N.Ananthapadmanabhan or Ajay Kuduva?

 

[sohum]

Ambati Rayudu has certainly been making ripples for ages (even in international junior competitions) but has been ignored so far nationally. But you've got to understand in a huge country like India, there are bound to be so many people with a lot of talent. If the selectors were ever perfect, India would be the top team in the game in both forms, without a contest.

 

[manee]

Here's the main question.
5.Raina and VRV Singh thrown out of second test against England even when they did not play the first test.Munaf Patel in the team ?

Well...i have a theory to this...India had a pretty much sorted team, by including Munaf in the squad, theyd feel obliged to pick him because he bowled well in a tour match...but if they include Raina and VRV Singh, they can stick to the team with no obligations to pick them

 

[varunvgiri]

Robin Uthappa is still being overlooked, so is Venugopal Rao. I would like to give Tamil Nadu's Vidyut Sivaramakrishnan a run atleast in the 'A' team. And needless to say Ambatti Rayudu - The much hyped child prodigy, who still cannot make the cut.

Last, Any one ever heard of Kanwaljeet Singh, K.N.Ananthapadmanabhan or Ajay Kuduva?

Many talented players from the weaker teams in the Ranji trophy have always been neglected. A classic example is Ananthapadmanabhan, who waited so long for a test cap but had to retire recently without one. He had a great record in most of his earlier seasons as a young player. But never got a chance because neither was Kerala a domestic powerhouse nor had influential persons in the right places. This changed as soon as S.K.Nair became BCCI secretary. Tinu Yohannan and S.Sreeshanth got breaks in the team without any of the struggle that Anantha had to go through. This clearly shows how politicised the game has become.

The players from the lesser teams have to go through a lot more hardshups to get a place in the team.