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My concern about sudden Kohli's removal from captaincy was that, atleast they could've extended it to a point where he could groom someone. I know he isn't a great captain and all. But the knowledge transfer would've been crucial. Again, Rohit doesn't need grooming but likes of Rahul, Pant, Iyer or whoever it is, really do.
This has been a perennial problem in Indian cricket. Even when Dravid had stepped down in 2007, the selectors had no clue on who needs to be appointed.

I have long held the view that succession planning needs to be done on lines of what the Aussies had done previously.

The point of an India A/B tour isn't only to serve as a pipeline to the main team. It also needs to act as a pipeline for future leaders. In the recent past, these teams have been led by the likes of Shaw, Gill, Rahane, Pandey and Karun Nair. None of these players are a part of either Indian side- this anomaly /gap needs to be plugged properly. Either select them for India in the abscence of leaders OR do not have them lead at the India A level.

We sorely miss a natural leader like MSD at this point of time.
Like how? Apparently, Twitter is abuzz with the same. However, what people do not understand is that MSD played with a specific group of people over the years, thereby making it difficult for newcomers to come in and play themselves in, over a longer period of time.


I wouldn't be surprised if Goenka sacks him mid season. The man who got rid of MSD adter an underwhelming season isn't likely to stick woth KLR.
The Selection Committee needs to be sacked.
Actually, the one who needs to be held accountable is the CAC-RP Singh and some unknown entities. They are the ones who selected the committee.

Gotta hate the Lodha reforms here; ever since these came into existence, the Selection Committee has been led by a bunch dumbos.
 

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Like how? Apparently, Twitter is abuzz with the same. However, what people do not understand is that MSD played with a specific group of people over the years, thereby making it difficult for newcomers to come in and play themselves in, over a longer period of time.
there’s always a compromise between playing the best Xi and giving opportunity to players. Dhoni like all Indian captains before and after him, had his preferences. And he did win cups for India with his choice of players.

Winning is everything. “Team In transition/Building up for the future“ is always an excuse for losing.
 

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The decision to appoint Bavuma and Elgar as captains is looking a brilliant one right now. Their top four of QdK, Janneman, Bavuma and Rassie is in supreme form. Markram seems the only weak link, but he’s been good in T20Is. This team with Rabada and Nortje can be a contender in 2022 and 2023.

I have to agree that Temba Bavuma has grown as a captain and definitely surprised me. I had, long ago made a comment about how he wasn't the best fit for SA captaincy and that he was chosen only cause of the quota restrictions. Believe, I was engaged in a verbal duel with @CerealKiller & @Bevab . I was wrong! I take back my words against him
Here is my rating for the team (feel free to disagree with these)

Firstly, what happened to India!! I feel like with Kohli gone as captain the energy that always surrounds the team seems to have completely dissipated. Even Kohli himself seems subdued and passive in the field.

1. KL Rahul - (5/10) For some time now, I have noticed his change of role from the usually attacking batsman that broke into the side to a real passive strike rotator for both Punjab Kings and India. I guess he aims to bat through the innings like a Joe Root but seems a waste when you already have Kohli for that role at 3.
2. Shikhar Dhawan - (8/10) No real complaints about him, went out and played his shots and got India off to decent starts in all the ODI's - good half-centuries and at a good pace.
3. Virat Kohli - (8.5/10) Once again, literally nothing to complain about. People keep raging on about the lack of a 100 but he is still hitting solid half centuries and doing his role well - the 100's will come when they come, its just a matter of time
4. Rishabh Pant - (6.5/10) Extremely talented lad! Definitely something special but just like everyone says needs to just use his brain a little more. Horrendous shot to get out in the last game that too off the first ball. Should really be the one guiding the chase - did a great job in the second game and should have scored an easy 100
5. Shreyas Iyer - (5/10) - Once again, same as Pant. Definitely a guy for the future but I feel he is playing a spot lower than he should. Ideally, he should be at 4 with Pant at 5. I think teams have started to notice his vulnerability to the short ball and have started to exploit it.
6a. Venkatesh Iyer - (4/10) Too small sample size to judge but don't really see the point of including him as an allrounder. Doesn't seem anything at all special to play as an allrounder especially if he struggles to get wickets in the first two games where the pitch would have suited his style of medium pace dollies. I assume its a like-for-like replacement of Hardik Pandya's power?
6b. Suryakumar Yadav - (6/10) Really like him as a batman but you can't play him the low - it's a completely wasted slot for a genuine batsman.
7a. Deepak Chahar - (7/10) Obviously a decent swing bowler and can definitely swing the bat a bit - can't complain about his performance
7b. Bhuvaneshwar Kumar- (2/10) Honestly he is done as an opening bowler in ODI's - waste of bowling slot. How can your premier front line seamer have an average of 35??? Survived so long by finishing the games well as a death bowler but complete waste in the XI.
8. Ravichandran Ashwin - (6/10) Decent in ODI's as he has always been but always seem to lack the potency. Nothing new - seem to be a recurring theme with him. Once again, his batting gives him an edge over others.
9. Jasprit Bumrah - (7.5/10) - UNPOPULAR OPINION but Bumrah is completely wasted opening the bowling especially when the likes of Bhuvi are bowling in tandem. Batsman knows just to play him out and get the runs with Bhuvi or the other end. He has only taken 2 wickets in the first 10 since the 2019 WC. He's a class act and one of the best at the death and always the go-to for a wicket. Better of using him in the middle and end, maybe bring him on as a 3rd seamer.
10. Yuzvendra Chahal- (6/10) Decent leggy, seems to always be a little unlucky with his bowling and seems to lose it a little when the batsman make an effort to go after him - as Rassie did for his 100 and Bavuma for his
11. Prasidh Krishna - (6/10) Tall guy with a decent bouncer but I feel like he will a USP - don't seem to be a swing or seam bowler nor got that pace to trouble the batsman - will observe him a bit more. Saw him get taken to the cleaners a little in the IPL.

Your analysis is based, more on past laurels of the players than the existing series performances. To start off, what happened to India- you can say deplorable. However, the energy point is something on which I would take a personal grouse with Virat. Yes, you have been sacked from the leadership, but does that dilute your passion for representing the country??? If you aren't sure/ comfy with the environment, take a mental health break. But, for a person to go from HERO to ZERO passion within a span of 7 days is incomprehensible.

The remainder of your analysis-

Spot On: Dhawan, Iyer, Chahal, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Chahar

Unnecessary: Prasidh- he played a single game and did well in the said game. I would probably rate him higher for his ability to come in and take wickets against a rampaging SA line up.

Challenged Ratings:
1. KL Rahul- 1/10. As a captain, he lacked the intensity. If I were made captain, I would be quite into the role, even if it was going against me. KLR's batting left much to be desired as well. He slowed down, akin to what he used to do with PBKS. Team selections too, weren't carefully thought out.

2. Kohli -5/10. The captaincy intensity as mentioned in my opening statement+ his batting form. Yes, he scored. But, as a senior batsman, he ought to to have stayed in and seen a few matches through. The interactions with KLR were non existent and should have lent a hand to him whilst captaining. Made it look like a Pakistan team from the 1990s(every 2nd player was captain back then)

3. Rishab Pant -4/10. You aren't a kid anymore. You've played a senior CWC and have won matches for India. If brainless cricket is the way to go, maybe he'd top the ICC's rating charts for infinity. Very disappointed with him. With the team in trouble,commanding a #4 spot, Rishab should calculate the risks carefully before going for his strokes.

4. Venky Iyer- 2/10. At best, either a T20 specialist OR a reminder to not to select people like Swapnil Asnodkar/ Manpret Gony based on IPL exploits alone. Can't fault him for not being bowled. But, could have lived up to his hard hitting reputation.

5. Surya Kumar Yadav- 4/10. Yes, you played only one game. But you have been a senior pro for quite some time. You lead Mumbai state, in the leadership at KKR, thereby, yo ought to know when to dig in. Expected a bit more here.

6. Jasprit Bumrah- 5/10. Sitting vice-captain, what did you do? Bumrah has seemed a little less effective of late. You are right in stating he's lost his zing and I do hope he comes back strong.

Over and Out to Rohit,now!
 
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there’s always a compromise between playing the best Xi and giving opportunity to players. Dhoni like all Indian captains before and after him, had his preferences. And he did win cups for India with his choice of players.

Winning is everything. “Team In transition/Building up for the future“ is always an excuse for losing.
I disagree entirely!

India has always stressed on the 'process'. Winning is a part of this. If the game is only about winning, then select the best XI in the country and choose a captain every time. The process has to incorporate the future aspects also.

MSD is guilty of not doing this at the India level+CSK. No wonder, they too are scrambling for leadership options now! Giving opportunity to players is necessary,else you become a one-dimensional team.
 

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I disagree entirely!

India has always stressed on the 'process'. Winning is a part of this. If the game is only about winning, then select the best XI in the country and choose a captain every time. The process has to incorporate the future aspects also.

MSD is guilty of not doing this at the India level+CSK. No wonder, they too are scrambling for leadership options now! Giving opportunity to players is necessary,else you become a one-dimensional team.
No. The building part including future leadership has to be at the A team level, under 19 and domestic cricket. The system has to produce youngsters who can transition smoothly into the national side and it’s not the senior team captain who has this responsibility to build for the future or ensure equal opportunity for all talented and promising youngsters. Captains always tend to go with winning combinations and it’s always difficult for newcomers to break into successful teams (barring injuries), as it should be.

Dhoni successfully handed over the baton to Kohli when he felt the time was right. I don’t think people complained about any leadership vacuum then.

Winning teams always have a settled look and Dhoni was no different. The system below has to work to ensure that there is always a bunch of youngsters and leaders ready for international cricket.
 

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Sitting vice-captain, what did you do? Bumrah has seemed a little less effective of late.
Bumrah was the best Indian bowler in the series by miles!! He was the 2nd highest wicket taker in this series overall. Also he had the 3rd best bowling average who played more than 1 game (had the 2nd best among pacers, Phelulkwayo had the best). Had the lowest economy in the series.

Let us talk about the surfaces. They were slow and low, it was somewhat hard for the batsman to play their shots but due to the pace of a fast bowler it made it easier to score. Yet Bumrah ended with the best economy. For most part in the series he seemed hard to get away and consistently kept the batsmen on their toes.

Talk about being less effective, where a bowler like Ngidi went for close to 6 an over playing at home averaging about 30 compared to Bumrah's 27. Both him and Bumrah had taken same no. of wickets.

Don't see a point where he should receive a criticism.
 

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I think what has angered the public more, is the meek surrender on display to a side that's just about finding its feet again. (plus the moronic captaincy)

I do not get this sudden bashing of Dravid. Any new person needs atleast 3 series to settle into his role. Covid has definitely multiplied the burden. Add to that, the off field politics has meant Dravid has worked with 4 captains recently(might be a record).

India is definitely stronger than what we saw. No doubt we'll bounce back. I believe and as Dravid mentioned the priority is basically to work it out with Rohit-the strategy, roadmap to CWC 2023 and beyond. When Rahul Dravid took over the juniors, the A/B tour programme was in shambles. When he left, he created a steady stream of talent for the main team.

Write him off at your own peril! Give him a year. I wouldn't be surprised if the, then Indian side wallops England 5-0 in England. Have faith!
 

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@WutUpMahGlipGlops hope you didn't watch the cricket. Hope you are enjoying your birthday :cheers
I absolutely did not :lol ! I absolutely loved this series. South Africa in transitional phase were absolutely spot on! A strong SA side is really needed for Cricket.
 

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Okay that's an interesting one! AFAIK Maharaj is born in South Africa. So what's the connection between him and the last line that he has posted?

I went to his Insta id and checked it and he had actually posted it. Perhaps @RUDI can help a bit
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Also I got this link
 

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Okay that's an interesting one! AFAIK Maharaj is born in South Africa. So what's the connection between him and the last line that he has posted?

I went to his Insta id and checked it and he had actually posted it. Perhaps @RUDI can help a bit
The fact that he is indeed an Hindu. And religion has nothing to do with the place of residence.

A Catholic born in India will preach Jesus.
A Muslim born in Australia will preach Allah.
A Buddist born in England will preach Buddha.

Similarly a Hindu born in South Africa may preach Ram or any other Hindu deity.
 

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Okay that's an interesting one! AFAIK Maharaj is born in South Africa. So what's the connection between him and the last line that he has posted?

I went to his Insta id and checked it and he had actually posted it. Perhaps @RUDI can help a bit
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Also I got this link
Durban, KZN-Natal in SA has most probably the largest Indian community in SA with the majority Hindu and some Muslim's.
 

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