Who couldn't help his team against a weak bowling attack in a recent test series? KP
If I had to choose someone to face South Africa's bowling attack in a one off innings. I would say Shiv every single time.
Is Shivnarine Chanderpaul selfish?
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Who couldn't help his team against a weak bowling attack in a recent test series? KP
If I had to choose someone to face South Africa's bowling attack in a one off innings. I would say Shiv every single time.
aussie_ben91
School Cricketer
Despite the fact that Pietersen has decimated South Africa every single time that his played them?
Pietersen averaged over 50 against McGrath & Warne compared to Chanderpaul's 34.
We're not comparing anything, I thought we were having a reasonable discussion. Why must you compartmentalise every bloody thread into X Vs Y.
Mr.Cricket
Club Cricketer
Shiv is a very, very, very good player. His record in the last couple of years is just incredible. But if I had to choose btw Shiv and KP , I would go for KP every day of the week. KP is not as consistent but hes a pure match winner. He can take the game away from you in a session and I dont think Shiv can have the same impact on a game.
I dont have the stats but I am sure KP would have better innings per hundred ratio. Thats what you need from your best players because 50s dont win you games.
As for KP calling Shiv selfish, its a case of pot calling kettle black.
I dont have the stats but I am sure KP would have better innings per hundred ratio. Thats what you need from your best players because 50s dont win you games.
As for KP calling Shiv selfish, its a case of pot calling kettle black.
aussie_ben91
School Cricketer
I'm trying to address your statement, just like you said.
A batsman has more support than the people below him...like, hmmm, the batsman above him? Chanderpaul has had little support from the middle order. Sarwan has been a gross underperformer until recently, Gayle rarely bats long enough to bat any prolonged period of time with Chanderpaul and the rest don't bare thinking about.
What I am saying is that Chanderpaul's average would not likely be as high as it is now with all the not outs, but it'd still be bloody high had he had competant support below and above him in the batting line up and his runs per innings would likely be far higher too.
aussie_ben91
School Cricketer
Considering he had Brian Lara in the same side for 85% of his career. A man who was capable of scoring 400. Pietersen's never played with another batsman who has averaged over 50 in Test Cricket.
I thought it was clear we are talking about Chanderpaul's recent period of golden form, which, unfortunately enough, has come after Lara's retirement. Pietersen's support in that period has been far better than Chanderpaul's.
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It's no well concealed fact that Chanderpaul had only made two hundreds up to 2002. In fact, the suggestion of being a hypochondriac isn't new criticism either.
aussie_ben91
School Cricketer
Has it really been better though? Pietersen was in the same predictament that Chanderpaul has been finding himself in for sometime before Pietersen was moved up the order. You can't say that any other English batsman has found consistency over a long stretch of time.
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yes he has. and no, few english batsmen have found consistency over time, but at least they've always had two or three at any one time. Bell's been rubbish lately but he scored quite big runs at points early last year. colly's scored tons, ambrose even got one, cooks scored countless 50s (I think 10!), strauss and even vaughan.
before this series the only guy in the team that had scored a ton outside the standard big 3 was jerome taylor. and all of that outside group had an average in the mid twenties.
I think chanderpaul has been better than pietersen the last 2 years and whether or not this "stranded" thing is relevant I can't say, but you can't seriously be suggesting england have relied on KPs runs to the same extent the windies have relied on chanderpaul?
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BBC SPORT | Cricket | England | Angry Gayle hits out at Pietersen
Hmm, seems I was wrong, KP wasn't joking, what a twat.
Hmm, seems I was wrong, KP wasn't joking, what a twat.
King Cricket
International Coach
^KP shouldn't have used the word "selfish". In tours it's quite natural that a team will attack another team to demorilize them. The Aussies do it, the Indians did it- and some cricket fans like me really love this verbal WWE, it heats up the atmosphere. But it should have certain limits- when the Aussies sledge someone they don't use harsh words like "selfish" or these things. They base their sledges on the poor performances of their opponent. I don't support sledging or abuses but sometimes they can be pretty funny. They make the tours interesting, it's quite funny how the players attack each other after hearing these things, although both sides know they don't mean anything by this and they are doing this just to demoralize the other team. But harsh words like "selfish" should not be used.
King Cricket added 14 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...
Hmm, a detailed cricinfo search and some more interesting facts.
KP has maintained a steady average of 50 or nearabout throughout his career. His average is yet to experience a sharp fall as of now. The best adjective to describe it is "stagnant". Whereas Shiv had to face both ups and downs in his career. His average has dropped a number of times. However all of them dates back to the late '90's and early 2000's. In 2000 (talking about a single year) his test average fell below 25. But after that it has risen and only risen. He had a Bradman like average of 100+ in the years 2007 and 2008, taking them as two single years. And if I cut off the years 1999,2000 and 2001 from his career his test average becomes better than most of the players currently playing. He has so far had just 3bad years in his long 15 years of international cricket. And he is quite the Mr Dependable of the West Indian team. Not saying we can't rely upon KP, but in terms of consistency Shiv is a bit ahead.
King Cricket added 14 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...
Hmm, a detailed cricinfo search and some more interesting facts.
KP has maintained a steady average of 50 or nearabout throughout his career. His average is yet to experience a sharp fall as of now. The best adjective to describe it is "stagnant". Whereas Shiv had to face both ups and downs in his career. His average has dropped a number of times. However all of them dates back to the late '90's and early 2000's. In 2000 (talking about a single year) his test average fell below 25. But after that it has risen and only risen. He had a Bradman like average of 100+ in the years 2007 and 2008, taking them as two single years. And if I cut off the years 1999,2000 and 2001 from his career his test average becomes better than most of the players currently playing. He has so far had just 3bad years in his long 15 years of international cricket. And he is quite the Mr Dependable of the West Indian team. Not saying we can't rely upon KP, but in terms of consistency Shiv is a bit ahead.
I'll say my piece, then depart from this thread. Journalists, are there to make headlines. They take one word/sentence from an interview and make that the headline. don't always believe what you read, and how you think it sounds.
I don't know what KP said about Chandepaul, i was not there for the interview. However i know KP has respect for most players, and likely he has it for West Indies best player. More than likely, he made an off the cuff remark, as we all do and it has been read a different way than was intended. Sadly, for KP this does seem to happen rather often.
I don't know what KP said about Chandepaul, i was not there for the interview. However i know KP has respect for most players, and likely he has it for West Indies best player. More than likely, he made an off the cuff remark, as we all do and it has been read a different way than was intended. Sadly, for KP this does seem to happen rather often.
