Mar 2 - England v Ireland

Rehan_24 said:
What really bothered me was the England team's body language. I mean sometimes they looked panic on the field so is the captain. When Strauss dropped the catch of Kevin O Brain, I said instantly that Struass hasnt dropped a catch, Infact he has dropped the Match or possibly the World Trophy.
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Strauss should resign, he is a poor captain and this loss might have been unexpected, but when England suck, Strauss sucks with them.

While O'Brien did well, England rather let Ireland off the hook. 111/5 to 329/7 would be bad enough against a Test nation, but this is the same Ireland that couldn't chase down around 200 against Bangladesh!

Where did it go wrong? Well Strauss and Pietersen tossed their wickets away, England fannied around from a very strong position batting and then showed their usual lack of substance in bowling by not taking a further Ireland wicket for 162 runs

ENG 278/2 (41.5 overs, rpo 6.65)
ENG 327/8 (50.0 overs, rpo 6.54)

Last eight overs producing 49/5 at 6.13 rpo. Instead of accelerating with wickets in hands, England went backwards and actually decreased their rpo rather than increased it. England should have been looking at 8-10 an over for the last eight overs, they fell at least 15-20 runs short of the total they should have posted.

IRE 111/5 (24.2 overs, rpo 4.56)
IRE 329/7 (49.1 overs, rpo 6.69)

So Ireland, from/at five down, scored 218 runs off 24.5 overs at 8.78 runs per over. Broad had a real mare, Yardy might as well not have been in the side and having someone who can take wickets and score runs is all very good if they do, but he doesn't that often. He's a waste of (a) space (in the side), 27 ODIs and failed to take a wicket in 14 of them. His average is now over 50, even in five ODIs against Bangladesh, Ireland and Scotland (combined) he's only taken five wickets at a fairly ordinary 34.20 apiece.

Yardy does average 44 in ODIs with the bat, sadly it is a contrived average from 44 runs scored batting at eight and only once out. England have no chance of winning the World Cup, while they have some class batsmen they are also too lacking and slack at times. The bowling lacks a genuine World Class bowler, there is a serious lacking from the 5th bowler and England simply don't bat, bowl and field well enough CONSISTENTLY to pose a serious threat. That's Holland who made England work hard and now Ireland having sneaked past England, just as England should have sneaked past India.

Why do England struggle to be a top ODI side? Is it a lack of talent? Not playing as many ODIs as other teams? On paper England are as good as anyone, except that there is papering over the cracks and some of the inclusions in the squad are not good enough while others were not exposed to ODIs enough before the World Cup eg Shahzad. The one batsman who could take the game away from the opponents like Sehwag, Tendulkar etc does not apply himself.

Makes me laugh that Trott got so much stick and yet he's now reached 1000 ODI runs as quickly as Richards! Pietersen on the other hand finds ways to get himself out and could quite possibly average 50 in ODIs and 70+ in Tests if he used his brain a bit and batted like a World Class batsman rather than just treat bowlers with disdain and fail to live up to his billing
 
Kevin O' Brien did a fantastic job. What an upset!
 
English Management are dumb to ignore Ajmal over and over again especially with Anderson's impotence on these pitches. I had stated in biggest flop of the tournament thread that English seam attack is going to suffer. This is exactly what is happening right now.
 
Wow!Loved it.Loved to watch England getting pwned.They really dunno how to play against a minnow.They were lucky to get away against Netherland but this time they had to suffer.Whatever confidence they would have gained by the tie last would just have been thrown away.Good job Ireland.And goodness me what a blinder from Kevin O Brien, he would have surely loved to score the fastest 100 of the history of WC, he would be more happy with his achievement, for he did it against a test team like England.
And with that win thats first UPSET of the WC.Want to see more.!
 
I'm inclinded to agree with him. Until they have a rudimentary first class structure in progress at home its hard to see how long term they could be a Test team. Even if its just between three or four counties just to get the ball rolling it would be a step in the right direction.

First and foremost they need to be given the chance to play the big teams alot more especially when a team is touring against England they should also be given a couple of matches. Scotland too.

England are the main team that could propell Ireland into a test team and thankfully they have been helping by allowing Ireland representative teams play in our domestic structure. The same with the Netherlands and Scotland.
 
What a game from them! O'Brien looked like winning the game himself as he hammered the bowlers to all corners of the ground. Porterfield also went cheaply – his fine run of form ended as he was gone for a golden duck – and when it was five down, their were not even looking like they would win the match. Mooney made his first contribution in a fine all-round display with 47 from 58 balls.

Victory was largely the result of some dynamic hitting from O'Brien
 
Owzat said:
Strauss should resign, he is a poor captain and this loss might have been unexpected, but when England suck, Strauss sucks with them.

While O'Brien did well, England rather let Ireland off the hook. 111/5 to 329/7 would be bad enough against a Test nation, but this is the same Ireland that couldn't chase down around 200 against Bangladesh!

Where did it go wrong? Well Strauss and Pietersen tossed their wickets away, England fannied around from a very strong position batting and then showed their usual lack of substance in bowling by not taking a further Ireland wicket for 162 runs

ENG 278/2 (41.5 overs, rpo 6.65)
ENG 327/8 (50.0 overs, rpo 6.54)

Last eight overs producing 49/5 at 6.13 rpo. Instead of accelerating with wickets in hands, England went backwards and actually decreased their rpo rather than increased it. England should have been looking at 8-10 an over for the last eight overs, they fell at least 15-20 runs short of the total they should have posted.

IRE 111/5 (24.2 overs, rpo 4.56)
IRE 329/7 (49.1 overs, rpo 6.69)

So Ireland, from/at five down, scored 218 runs off 24.5 overs at 8.78 runs per over. Broad had a real mare, Yardy might as well not have been in the side and having someone who can take wickets and score runs is all very good if they do, but he doesn't that often. He's a waste of (a) space (in the side), 27 ODIs and failed to take a wicket in 14 of them. His average is now over 50, even in five ODIs against Bangladesh, Ireland and Scotland (combined) he's only taken five wickets at a fairly ordinary 34.20 apiece.

Yardy does average 44 in ODIs with the bat, sadly it is a contrived average from 44 runs scored batting at eight and only once out. England have no chance of winning the World Cup, while they have some class batsmen they are also too lacking and slack at times. The bowling lacks a genuine World Class bowler, there is a serious lacking from the 5th bowler and England simply don't bat, bowl and field well enough CONSISTENTLY to pose a serious threat. That's Holland who made England work hard and now Ireland having sneaked past England, just as England should have sneaked past India.

Why do England struggle to be a top ODI side? Is it a lack of talent? Not playing as many ODIs as other teams? On paper England are as good as anyone, except that there is papering over the cracks and some of the inclusions in the squad are not good enough while others were not exposed to ODIs enough before the World Cup eg Shahzad. The one batsman who could take the game away from the opponents like Sehwag, Tendulkar etc does not apply himself.

Makes me laugh that Trott got so much stick and yet he's now reached 1000 ODI runs as quickly as Richards! Pietersen on the other hand finds ways to get himself out and could quite possibly average 50 in ODIs and 70+ in Tests if he used his brain a bit and batted like a World Class batsman rather than just treat bowlers with disdain and fail to live up to his billing
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I agree with most of this. Something is fundermentally wrong with the way that Strauss organises the ODI team. He is way too conservative and is more interested in containing batsman than taking wickets. England's inability to use slip fielders and bowl yorkers only compounds this.

Staruss still deserves his place as an opener because he is batting well at the minute, but we need a more ruthless captain. England's decision to omit Tremlett looks like coming home to roost as the bowlers are toiling. We also need a finisher in the lower order. Bopara deserves a chance.
 
Owzat said:
Strauss should resign, he is a poor captain and this loss might have been unexpected, but when England suck, Strauss sucks with them.
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:thumbs

Strauss does not understand the concept of attacking or using slip fielders. O'Brien gave 2 chances to a non-existent 1st slip in the first 35 runs he scored.
 
Brilliant match this was and a superb innings by O'Brien too. Just sad that he'll leave Ireland.
 
Eh! You meant he's playing cricket England. But wondering why should he play Test. He's rather a great hitter, so probably he should be picked in one-day
 
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