rockyrakster
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Completely agree
Yuvraj fires briefly and goes off for years
No on e are consistent blasters Like Sachin,Yuvi Do not forget KP
Master blasters (Original and Modern Versions) ? Who are they? Let?s all explore and find out.
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Completely agree
Yuvraj fires briefly and goes off for years
No on e are consistent blasters Like Sachin,Yuvi Do not forget KP
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max - buddy i agree lara wasnt as consistent as sachin but that was not the argument here...but lara had one thing which sachin dint have...when lara got going there was ARGUABLY NO EQUAL TO HIM...when on song lara was POETRY IN MOTION....and my friend sachin and viv dint have the pressure of carrying poor teams on their shoulders as much as lara...i doubt any batsman in the histroy of cricket carried a team like that west indian team on his own shoulders as much as lara...so the strike rate is a little less because lara would mostly come in when west indies had already lost a few wickets or even if he opened the other batsmen would fall cheaply around him and after this YOU DONT expect lara to go berserk do you??....and sachin wasnt a match winner either which lara was...and forget the 45 ball hundred he scored against bangldesh just watch his VB series innings of 156 against pak again....he was hittin one handed sixes and what not...and it was because he stayed till nearly the end and played that knock that windies got that big 300+ score..he was not only a savior but also a DEMOLISHER on will and a MATCH WINNER...and he was NOT that inconsistent either...he averaged a good 40 in ODI's with 19 hundreds and 63 fifties in about 289 innings...when you look at those stats also remember how he had play under high pressure and carry a team on his shoulders...
King Cricket
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West Indies became a poor team only after the 2003 World Cup. Before that, they were quite a formidable outfit with the likes of Carl Hooper and etc etc. You are talking about "carrying a poor team on his shoulders". You do know that Lara actually averages 35 in ODIs after 2003? And he didn't do a good job as a skipper as well.
Is that why he avgs 65.17 in tests, and 56.96 in ODIs, in the won matches?
Sixty nine intl hundreds excluding the minnows. Opposed to Lara's fourty eight.
1. Did you watch Sachin's innings against England last year?
2. Lara did become a bit inconsistent towards the end.
3. Yes, I agree, Lara is a jewel. A true legend. And if someone asks me to make a list of master-blasters, I'll keep Lara at the third spot. But definitely not above Sachin and Sir Viv.
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i agree with u scion sid...lara never changed his game
king cricket -- buddy the west indian team was pretty poor from the early 90's itself like from 1993/4....and india has always had a great batting side...sachin never had the pressure of carryin indian batting on his shoulders...and lets not forget sachin also hasnt been able to finish matches quite a lot in the past...
and about the hundreds its always easier to get them when you have good supporting batsmen throughout your career in the likes of dravid ganguly etc....and sachin also has played quite a lot of odi's to get there...lara did become a bit incocnsistent in ODI's late in his career but he NEVER changed his game...and when lara got going he was still the same lara not a shadow of himself from 90's like sachin has been for msot part of this decade....sachin post 2000 has arguably been only 50% of what he used to be before...and btw none of sachin's ODI innings this decade come close to lara's 156 against pak in australia buddy...that LARA innings was a GEM...that LARA innings had that TOTAL DOMINATION stamp on it..
I WILL KEEP LARA ABOVE SACHIN in just about EVERYTHING other than probably consistency
.....LARA WAS A FAR MORE NATURALLY GIFTED PLAYER AS WELL AS A DEMOLISHER AND STAYED THE SAME TILL THE END...and this is just ONE DAY CRICKET...lets not even get to test cricket because lara holds 9 double tons there...among them 2 triple and one quadrupe...sachin's overall H.S. against a minnow bangladesh falls short of lara's FIRST test hundred IN AUSTRALIA which btw saved them the match too...
king cricket -- buddy the west indian team was pretty poor from the early 90's itself like from 1993/4....and india has always had a great batting side...sachin never had the pressure of carryin indian batting on his shoulders...and lets not forget sachin also hasnt been able to finish matches quite a lot in the past...
and about the hundreds its always easier to get them when you have good supporting batsmen throughout your career in the likes of dravid ganguly etc....and sachin also has played quite a lot of odi's to get there...lara did become a bit incocnsistent in ODI's late in his career but he NEVER changed his game...and when lara got going he was still the same lara not a shadow of himself from 90's like sachin has been for msot part of this decade....sachin post 2000 has arguably been only 50% of what he used to be before...and btw none of sachin's ODI innings this decade come close to lara's 156 against pak in australia buddy...that LARA innings was a GEM...that LARA innings had that TOTAL DOMINATION stamp on it..
I WILL KEEP LARA ABOVE SACHIN in just about EVERYTHING other than probably consistency
.....LARA WAS A FAR MORE NATURALLY GIFTED PLAYER AS WELL AS A DEMOLISHER AND STAYED THE SAME TILL THE END...and this is just ONE DAY CRICKET...lets not even get to test cricket because lara holds 9 double tons there...among them 2 triple and one quadrupe...sachin's overall H.S. against a minnow bangladesh falls short of lara's FIRST test hundred IN AUSTRALIA which btw saved them the match too...King Cricket
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But averages say a different thing, mate. Even Ricky Ponting's avgs and everything is better than Lara's in many cases.
I know that. But I hope you are aware that he has 42 centuries in total. Maybe he couldn't convert most of his hundreds to double tons, but what does that show? Sir Viv could manage just three double tons in his entire career, and not a single triple ton. Also, he too didn't have to "carry a weak team on his shoulders". So, now by your logic, Lara becomes better than Sir Viv when it comes to demolishing? Right?
Lara has played 299 ODIs in his career. If I compare Sachin's avg, runs and everything after 299 ODIs with Lara's career avg etc, Sachin still wins.
I don't think you watch too much Indian cricket. I suggest you watch some old match videos of India.
Not even his last hundred in the ODIs? I don't think so.
Again averages and "everything" say a different thing. (In the ODIs and partly in tests) Also, if double-tons are everything then Lara actually becomes better than everyone in this planet apart from Sir Don.
I don't think you watched Sachin's hundred against England recently, and also many other hundreds scored by him.
PS, I don't know what's you're definition of a master blaster. But in my eyes, a guy who has nearly 30 thousand intl runs, 80+ intl centuries, 140+ intl fifties, avg of nearly 60 avg vs Australia, West Indies, and Sri Lanka, 60+ vs England, 50+ vs Kiwiland, is a true master-blaster and deserves the no 2 spot.
PPS, I stick to what I've said. Top 3 master blasters- Sir Viv followed by Sachin followed by Lara.
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Tendulkar?s destructive batting power
I am happy that good sense has prevailed and your posting language is a lot more professional and reflects the fact that you are sticking to forum rules which is good for me, other readers and the Admin as well.
So Congratulations for this radical transformation! We now see an Elegant version instead of Destructive version of bill_123 .
How many examples of Tendulkar’s Destructive power do you need? I can refer to zillion ones .
Space will not permit me to post each and every destructive innings of Tendulkar.
It appears that you do not have adequate and in-depth knowledge about Tendular’s career records which is understandable because you are a Lara and not a Tendulkar fan
I had a comprehensive Quiz on Tendulkar earlier this year where I had brief write ups of some of Tendulkar’s best knocks.
Their is no need to reinvent the wheel. So I am reproducing three Destructive knocks of Tendulkar that only a genius like Tendulkar could do it and you will have a very good feel about Tendulkar and more importantly your knowledge about Tendulkar per your postings which has been so a matter of concern for me and other readers as well as seen from their postings will get enriched.
BTW no offense to you or Lara fans but I have doubts whether Lara has or will be able to produce these kind of knocks.
If you are able to digest these and seek more I will be able to produce as many as you want. Don’t feel shy. I will be more than happy to cater to your request.
Here you go
Sachin's Best Knocks: 143 against Australia in 1997-98 at Sharjah
This innings of Sachin is regarded by many as one of his best innings.
India desperately needed to qualify for the finals. Tendulkar took the challenge and scored a blistering 143 in 131 balls with 9 breathtaking fours and 5 towering sixes. He had scored 57% of India’s total score.
The important thing to note is his complete domination of Australian bowlers and the belligerent manner he scored reminded one of The Master Blaster Viv.
I did not see the match live. I saw it on ATN Cricket PLUS recently. I was spellbound.
For those readers who have not seen this I strongly recommend you see that.
Highlights of this innings is available in YouTube.
Here are the steps to get there.
Type YouTube in google.
Click YouTube.
Type Tendulkar’s best Innings in Search.
Look for the one that says ‘Sachin's 143 Against Australia In sharjah 1998’
Highlights Time: 9 minutes 19 secs.
Tendulkar at his magical best -Tendulkar’s 98 against Pakistan in 2003 world cup at Centurion.
Tendulkar’s 98 against Pakistan at Centurion is one of the rare one man demolition one has seen against the best attacks of the world Shoaib, Waqar & Wasim.
Delivery after delivery of Waqar and Shoaib were dispatched to all parts of the ground in a ruthless fashion. Tendulkar’s one man destruction of Pakistan attack demoralized Pakistan completely and even a formidable score of 273 for 7 by Pakistan looked easily gettable This is how the Pakistan famed pace attack looked after Tendulkar Blitzkrieg.
Shoaib: 10 overs no maiden 72 runs 1 wicket.
Waqar: 8.4 no maiden 71 runs 2 wickets.
Wasim off course had a comparatively respectable figure.
10 overs no maiden 48 runs 1 no wicket.
Shoaib eventually outfoxed him at 98. But the run riot of Tendulkar took the game out of Pakistan and subsequently they exited from the tournament.
Tendulkar’s marvel of 98 in 75 balls (RR: 130.66) contained 12 glorious fours and 1 towering six that will long be remembered by many.
For those readers who have not seen this I strongly recommend you see that.
Highlights of this innings is available in YouTube.
Here are the steps to get there.
Type YouTube in google.
Type INDIAN INNINGS OF INDIA vs. PAKISTAN WC 2003 in search box of utube.com.
Click on INDIAN INNINGS OF INDIA vs. PAKISTAN WC 2003.
Enjoy 6 mts and 28 sec of Tendulkar magic.
Boy that was Cricket at it’s best!
Sachin’s 82 against New Zealand at Auckland, 1993/1994.
Sachin before this One day match against New Zealand played for India only as a middle order batsman.
It so happened that the regular opener Navjot Sidhu was down with a stiff neck and could not make it to the eleven. So the team management took a chance by asking Sachin to play as an Opener. He responded in style by blasting a hurricane innings of 82 in just 49 balls with some incredible shots (15 boundaries and 2 sixes). It appeared he was seeing the ball as big as a balloon.
This innings announced the birth of a World Class Opener. Ever since he never looked back. He went from strength to strength and to this day remains a champion batsman and has scored heavily as an opener for India.
Final Scores:
New Zealand: 142 all out in 49.4 overs.
India: 143 for 3 wickets in only 23.2 overs winning the match by 7 wickets.
Cheers!
robin first you stop laughing at others opinions buddy then come and talk about respect
if you want to compare a batsman who played 299 matches and another who played 400+ and compare their boundaries etc then i can only laugh man...and lets not forget lara was for most part of his career a batsman who carried a pretty poor west indian batting side on his shoulders while sachin had enough support compared to lara...
and also look at the top hundreds of lara and sachin in tests buddy and see the strike rates there too...when LARA got going THERE WAS NO ONE WHO COULD EQUAL HIM...
and yes sachin still hasnt got a 45 ball hundred and lara has got it...sachin's last big destructive innings in ODI's was that 160+ against new zealand on those tiny nz grounds while lara's 156 against pak was in australia which included a couple ONE HANDED SIXES and was an innings which carried west indies to a very god target...minus sachin from that new zealand match india would have still made good runs looking at just how raina was hitting sixes in the end....remove lara from that match against pakistan and west indies have lost it easily...
King Cricket - if iam not wrong sachin has played like nearly 150 more matches in one day cricket with a very good batting line up and has scored around 9 to 10 of his ODI hundreds against the likes of bangladesh zimbabwe etc
and buddy lara's first hundred in test cricket was a 277 against aussies in australia while ur sachin's overall career H.S. is 241 against bangladesh
and yes lara has 9 double tons compared to sachin's 5
and in that lara has 2 triple tons as well and in those 2 he has one quadruple
lara is the man who has most number of boundaries in test cricket if iam not wrong
and i can go on
I am happy that good sense has prevailed and your posting language is a lot more professional and reflects the fact that you are sticking to forum rules which is good for me, other readers and the Admin as well.
So Congratulations for this radical transformation! We now see an Elegant version instead of Destructive version of bill_123 .
How many examples of Tendulkar’s Destructive power do you need? I can refer to zillion ones .
Space will not permit me to post each and every destructive innings of Tendulkar.
It appears that you do not have adequate and in-depth knowledge about Tendular’s career records which is understandable because you are a Lara and not a Tendulkar fan
I had a comprehensive Quiz on Tendulkar earlier this year where I had brief write ups of some of Tendulkar’s best knocks.
Their is no need to reinvent the wheel. So I am reproducing three Destructive knocks of Tendulkar that only a genius like Tendulkar could do it and you will have a very good feel about Tendulkar and more importantly your knowledge about Tendulkar per your postings which has been so a matter of concern for me and other readers as well as seen from their postings will get enriched.
BTW no offense to you or Lara fans but I have doubts whether Lara has or will be able to produce these kind of knocks.
If you are able to digest these and seek more I will be able to produce as many as you want. Don’t feel shy. I will be more than happy to cater to your request.
Here you go
Sachin's Best Knocks: 143 against Australia in 1997-98 at Sharjah
This innings of Sachin is regarded by many as one of his best innings.
India desperately needed to qualify for the finals. Tendulkar took the challenge and scored a blistering 143 in 131 balls with 9 breathtaking fours and 5 towering sixes. He had scored 57% of India’s total score.
The important thing to note is his complete domination of Australian bowlers and the belligerent manner he scored reminded one of The Master Blaster Viv.
I did not see the match live. I saw it on ATN Cricket PLUS recently. I was spellbound.
For those readers who have not seen this I strongly recommend you see that.
Highlights of this innings is available in YouTube.
Here are the steps to get there.
Type YouTube in google.
Click YouTube.
Type Tendulkar’s best Innings in Search.
Look for the one that says ‘Sachin's 143 Against Australia In sharjah 1998’
Highlights Time: 9 minutes 19 secs.
Tendulkar at his magical best -Tendulkar’s 98 against Pakistan in 2003 world cup at Centurion.
Tendulkar’s 98 against Pakistan at Centurion is one of the rare one man demolition one has seen against the best attacks of the world Shoaib, Waqar & Wasim.
Delivery after delivery of Waqar and Shoaib were dispatched to all parts of the ground in a ruthless fashion. Tendulkar’s one man destruction of Pakistan attack demoralized Pakistan completely and even a formidable score of 273 for 7 by Pakistan looked easily gettable This is how the Pakistan famed pace attack looked after Tendulkar Blitzkrieg.
Shoaib: 10 overs no maiden 72 runs 1 wicket.
Waqar: 8.4 no maiden 71 runs 2 wickets.
Wasim off course had a comparatively respectable figure.
10 overs no maiden 48 runs 1 no wicket.
Shoaib eventually outfoxed him at 98. But the run riot of Tendulkar took the game out of Pakistan and subsequently they exited from the tournament.
Tendulkar’s marvel of 98 in 75 balls (RR: 130.66) contained 12 glorious fours and 1 towering six that will long be remembered by many.
For those readers who have not seen this I strongly recommend you see that.
Highlights of this innings is available in YouTube.
Here are the steps to get there.
Type YouTube in google.
Type INDIAN INNINGS OF INDIA vs. PAKISTAN WC 2003 in search box of utube.com.
Click on INDIAN INNINGS OF INDIA vs. PAKISTAN WC 2003.
Enjoy 6 mts and 28 sec of Tendulkar magic.
Boy that was Cricket at it’s best!
Sachin’s 82 against New Zealand at Auckland, 1993/1994.
Sachin before this One day match against New Zealand played for India only as a middle order batsman.
It so happened that the regular opener Navjot Sidhu was down with a stiff neck and could not make it to the eleven. So the team management took a chance by asking Sachin to play as an Opener. He responded in style by blasting a hurricane innings of 82 in just 49 balls with some incredible shots (15 boundaries and 2 sixes). It appeared he was seeing the ball as big as a balloon.
This innings announced the birth of a World Class Opener. Ever since he never looked back. He went from strength to strength and to this day remains a champion batsman and has scored heavily as an opener for India.
Final Scores:
New Zealand: 142 all out in 49.4 overs.
India: 143 for 3 wickets in only 23.2 overs winning the match by 7 wickets.
Cheers!
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bill_123
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King Cricket -- in ODI's if calculated without taking not outs in account lara's average drops to 36 and sachin's 40....now playing for a team as pathetic as west indies throughout most part of lara's career i would still SAY it was an achivement...and btw in test matches if we apply the same rule sachin averages 48+ against lara's 51
in Test Matches offcourse LARA has been more destructive than VIV and def more than sachin because LARA had the abilty to convert his hundreds into bigger knocks than any of his peers including sachin and LARA COULD carry the team on his shoulders like NO OTHER BATSMAN in the last 3 or 4 decades of cricket...Do yourself a favour buddy try to watch lara's innings against SL in 2001/02,lara SINGLE handedly scored 42% of his teams OVERALL score in the 3 test series,His total was 688 runs in 3 tests against the likes of murali..You Wont see a Guy play such Destructive Cricket all alone..it was LITERALLY a ONE MAN ARMY series for LARA...VIV in ODI's though is ARGUABLY the MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMAN...i would still say LARA was an equal if not better to viv in ODI's...also sanath and gilly are up there too...
As i said before buddy playing in a team which included GREATS like dravid ganguly(ONE OF THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATS in ODI's HIMSELF)...later SEHWAG,YUVRAJ...sachin's job wasnt really to bother about his teams score it was more about play your natural game and get out...lara on the other hand would most of the times end up a lone fighter to carry his teams batting..and BTW iam an INDIAN and i have seen ENOUGH of sachin throughout my life
and yes his last hundred on those tiny NZ grounds doesnt really match up to lara's 156 by any means....but his hundred against ENGLAND was VERY GOOD and it isnt that recent because as far as i remember you are talkin about his hundred against england in 2002 right??but yes that was very good....i agree there but still lara's hundred was SOMETHING ELSE...
and yes mate LARA IS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER BATSMAN OUT THERE in the last few decades...AND IMO LARA IS THE BEST BATSMAN OF THE MODERN ERA OF CRICKET...we should be thankful that lara came in the TELEVISION era and we could watch this legend bat...sachin aint far behind either...lara,ponting and sachin are ALL MODERN GREATS AND A TREAT TO WATCH WHEN ON SONG...viv is there too...and iam sure iam missing quite a few names here...
P.S. as you said double tons and triple tons are not everything WELL even just having such statistics doesnt mean YOU ARE THAT GOOD...even salman butt has many hundreds already so what he is a GREAT??...because he only plays such god on sub continental tracks and struggles on other pitches mostly and his technique is DEF flawed...
PPS -- VIV RICHARDS LARA SANATH AND GILLY are all UP THERE as THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMEN OF MODERN ERA...sachin follows them...he is GREAT too but not as much a DEMOLISHER AS THOSE GUYS...
bill_123 added 16 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...
robin -- good buddy...iam enjoying this discussion...
i will list a few knocks too of lara
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
169 - 129 15 4 131.00 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 16 Oct 1995
THIS REALLY WAS ONE AWESOME INNINGS IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED THE TEAM A 300+ TOTAL...
I WOULD STILL SAY HIS INNNINGS ON A MORE DIFFICULT ADELAIDE PITCH AGAINST PAK WAS BETTER THAN THE 169 AND AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO A 300+ SCORE...
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
156 176 138 12 5 113.04 4 bowled 1 v Pakistan Adelaide 28 Jan 2005
HAD A COUPLE ONE HANDED SIXES TOO...AND IT WAS TOTAL DOMINATION THAT LARA SHOWED THAT DAY....HE SPRAYED PAKISTANI BOWLERS TO EVERY CORNER OF THE GROUND...
AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER INNINGS OF 153 HE SCORED AGAINST PAK IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO VICTORY....
IN A TARGET OF 285 LARA HIMSELF SCORE 153 RUNS...
DL Haynes c †Rashid Latif b Ata-ur-Rehman 3 7 0 0 42.85
BC Lara c †Rashid Latif b Mushtaq Ahmed 153 143 21 0 106.99
PV Simmons c & b Saleem Malik 42 38 7 0 110.52
KLT Arthurton c sub b Ata-ur-Rehman 44 30 5 1 146.66
RB Richardson* not out 15 50 1 0 30.00
CL Hooper not out 5 11 0 0 45.45
Extras (lb 10, w 8, nb 5) 23
Total (4 wickets; 45.3 overs) 285 (6.26 runs per over)
AND HOW CAN I FORGET HIS 45 BALL HUNDRED....EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AGAINST BANGLADESH STILL ACHIEVING THAT RECORD ISNT EASY....AND ON A BIGGER DHAKA GROUND COMPARED TO WHERE AFRIDI SCORED HIS 37 BALL HUNDRED LARA PLAYED SOME BRILLIANT SHOTS ALL OVER AND HIS HUNDRED WAS MORE DOMINATED BY FOURS THAN SIXES SURPRISINGLY...THAT ITSELF SHOWS HOW HE COULD FIND GAPS SO REGULARLY AND SO EASILY...
117 - 62 18 4 188.70 2 bowled 1 v Bangladesh Dhaka 9 Oct 1999
AND PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST HUNDREDS WAS A HUNDRED AGAINST THE MIGHTY AUSTRALIANS IN AUSTRALIA IN A LOSING CAUSE BUT JUST LOOK AT LARA'S SCORE AND LOOK AT THE FINAL SCORE AND THE OTHER BATSMENS CONTRIBUTION...THIS IS WHERE I FELT BAD FOR HIM...HE WOULD GIVE INSPRING GEMS LIKE THIS IN A VERY UNINSPIRED AND SOMETIMES PATHETIC WINDIES TEAM
West Indies innings (target: 240 runs from 42.4 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
WW Hinds c Warne b Bracken 1 6 9 0 0 11.11
RD Jacobs† c Warne b Bracken 21 38 23 3 0 91.30
SL Campbell c Martyn b Harvey 23 70 51 3 0 45.09
BC Lara not out 116 143 106 10 2 109.43
MN Samuels c †Gilchrist b Harvey 1 3 3 0 0 33.33
JC Adams* b Warne 9 19 12 1 0 75.00
RL Powell c Bracken b Warne 28 46 37 3 0 75.67
LR Williams st †Gilchrist b Warne 1 3 2 0 0 50.00
NAM McLean lbw b Symonds 0 3 2 0 0 0.00
CEL Stuart not out 3 25 13 0 0 23.07
Extras (b 2, lb 1, w 3, nb 2) 8
Total (8 wickets; 42.4 overs; 182 mins) 211 (4.94 runs per over)
AND THERE ARE SO MANY I MAY HAVE MISSED....REALLY LARA WAS SUCH A GEM OF A CRICKETER...WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT RECORDS LARA WOULD HAVE HAD OTHER THAN THE ONES HE ALREADY HOLDS IF HE HAD A TEAM LIKE INDIA WHICH SACHIN HAS HAD ATLEAST IN THE BATTIN DEPARTMENT....
in Test Matches offcourse LARA has been more destructive than VIV and def more than sachin because LARA had the abilty to convert his hundreds into bigger knocks than any of his peers including sachin and LARA COULD carry the team on his shoulders like NO OTHER BATSMAN in the last 3 or 4 decades of cricket...Do yourself a favour buddy try to watch lara's innings against SL in 2001/02,lara SINGLE handedly scored 42% of his teams OVERALL score in the 3 test series,His total was 688 runs in 3 tests against the likes of murali..You Wont see a Guy play such Destructive Cricket all alone..it was LITERALLY a ONE MAN ARMY series for LARA...VIV in ODI's though is ARGUABLY the MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMAN...i would still say LARA was an equal if not better to viv in ODI's...also sanath and gilly are up there too...
As i said before buddy playing in a team which included GREATS like dravid ganguly(ONE OF THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATS in ODI's HIMSELF)...later SEHWAG,YUVRAJ...sachin's job wasnt really to bother about his teams score it was more about play your natural game and get out...lara on the other hand would most of the times end up a lone fighter to carry his teams batting..and BTW iam an INDIAN and i have seen ENOUGH of sachin throughout my life
and yes his last hundred on those tiny NZ grounds doesnt really match up to lara's 156 by any means....but his hundred against ENGLAND was VERY GOOD and it isnt that recent because as far as i remember you are talkin about his hundred against england in 2002 right??but yes that was very good....i agree there but still lara's hundred was SOMETHING ELSE...
and yes mate LARA IS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER BATSMAN OUT THERE in the last few decades...AND IMO LARA IS THE BEST BATSMAN OF THE MODERN ERA OF CRICKET...we should be thankful that lara came in the TELEVISION era and we could watch this legend bat...sachin aint far behind either...lara,ponting and sachin are ALL MODERN GREATS AND A TREAT TO WATCH WHEN ON SONG
...viv is there too...and iam sure iam missing quite a few names here...P.S. as you said double tons and triple tons are not everything WELL even just having such statistics doesnt mean YOU ARE THAT GOOD...even salman butt has many hundreds already so what he is a GREAT??...because he only plays such god on sub continental tracks and struggles on other pitches mostly and his technique is DEF flawed...
PPS -- VIV RICHARDS LARA SANATH AND GILLY are all UP THERE as THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMEN OF MODERN ERA...sachin follows them...he is GREAT too but not as much a DEMOLISHER AS THOSE GUYS...
bill_123 added 16 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...
robin -- good buddy...iam enjoying this discussion...
i will list a few knocks too of lara
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
169 - 129 15 4 131.00 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 16 Oct 1995
THIS REALLY WAS ONE AWESOME INNINGS IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED THE TEAM A 300+ TOTAL...
I WOULD STILL SAY HIS INNNINGS ON A MORE DIFFICULT ADELAIDE PITCH AGAINST PAK WAS BETTER THAN THE 169 AND AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO A 300+ SCORE...
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
156 176 138 12 5 113.04 4 bowled 1 v Pakistan Adelaide 28 Jan 2005
HAD A COUPLE ONE HANDED SIXES TOO...AND IT WAS TOTAL DOMINATION THAT LARA SHOWED THAT DAY....HE SPRAYED PAKISTANI BOWLERS TO EVERY CORNER OF THE GROUND...
AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER INNINGS OF 153 HE SCORED AGAINST PAK IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO VICTORY....
IN A TARGET OF 285 LARA HIMSELF SCORE 153 RUNS...
DL Haynes c †Rashid Latif b Ata-ur-Rehman 3 7 0 0 42.85
BC Lara c †Rashid Latif b Mushtaq Ahmed 153 143 21 0 106.99
PV Simmons c & b Saleem Malik 42 38 7 0 110.52
KLT Arthurton c sub b Ata-ur-Rehman 44 30 5 1 146.66
RB Richardson* not out 15 50 1 0 30.00
CL Hooper not out 5 11 0 0 45.45
Extras (lb 10, w 8, nb 5) 23
Total (4 wickets; 45.3 overs) 285 (6.26 runs per over)
AND HOW CAN I FORGET HIS 45 BALL HUNDRED....EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AGAINST BANGLADESH STILL ACHIEVING THAT RECORD ISNT EASY....AND ON A BIGGER DHAKA GROUND COMPARED TO WHERE AFRIDI SCORED HIS 37 BALL HUNDRED LARA PLAYED SOME BRILLIANT SHOTS ALL OVER AND HIS HUNDRED WAS MORE DOMINATED BY FOURS THAN SIXES SURPRISINGLY...THAT ITSELF SHOWS HOW HE COULD FIND GAPS SO REGULARLY AND SO EASILY...
117 - 62 18 4 188.70 2 bowled 1 v Bangladesh Dhaka 9 Oct 1999
AND PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST HUNDREDS WAS A HUNDRED AGAINST THE MIGHTY AUSTRALIANS IN AUSTRALIA IN A LOSING CAUSE BUT JUST LOOK AT LARA'S SCORE AND LOOK AT THE FINAL SCORE AND THE OTHER BATSMENS CONTRIBUTION...THIS IS WHERE I FELT BAD FOR HIM...HE WOULD GIVE INSPRING GEMS LIKE THIS IN A VERY UNINSPIRED AND SOMETIMES PATHETIC WINDIES TEAM
West Indies innings (target: 240 runs from 42.4 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
WW Hinds c Warne b Bracken 1 6 9 0 0 11.11
RD Jacobs† c Warne b Bracken 21 38 23 3 0 91.30
SL Campbell c Martyn b Harvey 23 70 51 3 0 45.09
BC Lara not out 116 143 106 10 2 109.43
MN Samuels c †Gilchrist b Harvey 1 3 3 0 0 33.33
JC Adams* b Warne 9 19 12 1 0 75.00
RL Powell c Bracken b Warne 28 46 37 3 0 75.67
LR Williams st †Gilchrist b Warne 1 3 2 0 0 50.00
NAM McLean lbw b Symonds 0 3 2 0 0 0.00
CEL Stuart not out 3 25 13 0 0 23.07
Extras (b 2, lb 1, w 3, nb 2) 8
Total (8 wickets; 42.4 overs; 182 mins) 211 (4.94 runs per over)
AND THERE ARE SO MANY I MAY HAVE MISSED....REALLY LARA WAS SUCH A GEM OF A CRICKETER...WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT RECORDS LARA WOULD HAVE HAD OTHER THAN THE ONES HE ALREADY HOLDS IF HE HAD A TEAM LIKE INDIA WHICH SACHIN HAS HAD ATLEAST IN THE BATTIN DEPARTMENT....
max_dillon2007
School Cricketer
how many times one has to tell you that In the 90' Indian team was weaker than West indies. Indian Team only had Sachin...... Tell me another match winner india had at that time??? I agree Lara's first century was a gem but if you look at tendulkar's first test century you would be awed by the silkiness of the innings. It was last day and india was playing for draw against England. They had to survive last day. That time Sachin Scored a counter attacking 131.... ow old he was...umm.... 18 years..... The number of double and triple ton doesnt say that he is the greatest or most destructive. It means that man had great stamina and fitness to play... Sachin and many other greats falter after 150 or 200 coz they get tired and play loose shot...
When you say sachin had 8 or 9 ODI hundreds against Bangladesh you should have done your homework. He has zero 100s against Bangladesh. Moreover, Against the best team in the world:Australia, Sachin averages 46 with 8 hundreds in 60 matches, while lara averages 39 in 51 matches with just 3 hundreds. Moreover, when i said lara was capable of occasional masterpiece ,you should have done some research. Coz, Lara's Strike Rate justifies this logic, his strike Rate in ODI is 79. How come you call someone who have Dravidian strike rate... His some innings were great but other were seriously poor.
You recall that Lara has most number of boundaries in Test Cricket, then why you negelct Sachin who has most in ODI(Though might have in test too but his boundaries stats are surprisingly missing on cricinfo)...
You said sachin is not a match winner.
.. Yeah, he is such a poor player, just 31 hundreds in the matches india won at the meager average of 57
Once Glenn McGrath was asked between Sachin and Lara whom did he prefer to bowl and why?
Reply: Obviously Lara!, Sachin is so perfect and hits even good balls to boundry. If you dont get Sachin out early then it gets very difficult to get him. While against lara you always feel you have a chance.
Lara never gave any bowler nightmares.
Lara had scored over 1000 runs in ODI just once which concretes my believe that his brilliant innings were separated by very long period of droughts. Sachin had scored over thousand runs 7 times. Top 3 years were, 1894 with 9 centuries in 34 matches in 1998, 1611 with 6 centuries in 32 matches in 1996,1425 with 1 century in 33 matches in 2007.. Only hayden came close during 2007 with 1600 odd runs. Noone has ever crossed the 1700 run mark in a year, let alone 1894.
Just to summarize, Lara can play occasionally very well but tendulkar destroys consistently. This can be best illustrated by Roddick-Federrer comparision. Roddick occasionally plays at a level wher he can beat anyone,he came very close to beat federrer this year. But federrer is perfect genius and fails occasionally. Roddick has power but federrer has precision.
Here is the scorecard of one of the great innings of Tendulkar. It would make the scorecard you posted tiny.
SC Ganguly lbw b Fleming 17 38 32 2 0 53.12
SR Tendulkar c ?Gilchrist b Fleming 143 187 131 9 5 109.16
NR Mongia? c ME Waugh b Moody 35 55 46 4 1 76.08
M Azharuddin* b Moody 14 24 20 0 0 70.00
A Jadeja c ?Gilchrist b SR Waugh 1 4 5 0 0 20.00
VVS Laxman not out 23 75 34 1 0 67.64
HH Kanitkar not out 5 12 14 0 0 35.71
Extras (lb 5, w 3, nb 4) 12
Total (5 wickets; 46 overs) 250 (5.43 runs per over)
When you say sachin had 8 or 9 ODI hundreds against Bangladesh you should have done your homework. He has zero 100s against Bangladesh. Moreover, Against the best team in the world:Australia, Sachin averages 46 with 8 hundreds in 60 matches, while lara averages 39 in 51 matches with just 3 hundreds. Moreover, when i said lara was capable of occasional masterpiece ,you should have done some research. Coz, Lara's Strike Rate justifies this logic, his strike Rate in ODI is 79. How come you call someone who have Dravidian strike rate... His some innings were great but other were seriously poor.
You recall that Lara has most number of boundaries in Test Cricket, then why you negelct Sachin who has most in ODI(Though might have in test too but his boundaries stats are surprisingly missing on cricinfo)...
You said sachin is not a match winner.
.. Yeah, he is such a poor player, just 31 hundreds in the matches india won at the meager average of 57Once Glenn McGrath was asked between Sachin and Lara whom did he prefer to bowl and why?
Reply: Obviously Lara!, Sachin is so perfect and hits even good balls to boundry. If you dont get Sachin out early then it gets very difficult to get him. While against lara you always feel you have a chance.
Lara never gave any bowler nightmares.
Lara had scored over 1000 runs in ODI just once which concretes my believe that his brilliant innings were separated by very long period of droughts. Sachin had scored over thousand runs 7 times. Top 3 years were, 1894 with 9 centuries in 34 matches in 1998, 1611 with 6 centuries in 32 matches in 1996,1425 with 1 century in 33 matches in 2007.. Only hayden came close during 2007 with 1600 odd runs. Noone has ever crossed the 1700 run mark in a year, let alone 1894.
Just to summarize, Lara can play occasionally very well but tendulkar destroys consistently. This can be best illustrated by Roddick-Federrer comparision. Roddick occasionally plays at a level wher he can beat anyone,he came very close to beat federrer this year. But federrer is perfect genius and fails occasionally. Roddick has power but federrer has precision.
Here is the scorecard of one of the great innings of Tendulkar. It would make the scorecard you posted tiny.
SC Ganguly lbw b Fleming 17 38 32 2 0 53.12
SR Tendulkar c ?Gilchrist b Fleming 143 187 131 9 5 109.16
NR Mongia? c ME Waugh b Moody 35 55 46 4 1 76.08
M Azharuddin* b Moody 14 24 20 0 0 70.00
A Jadeja c ?Gilchrist b SR Waugh 1 4 5 0 0 20.00
VVS Laxman not out 23 75 34 1 0 67.64
HH Kanitkar not out 5 12 14 0 0 35.71
Extras (lb 5, w 3, nb 4) 12
Total (5 wickets; 46 overs) 250 (5.43 runs per over)
King Cricket -- in ODI's if calculated without taking not outs in account lara's average drops to 36 and sachin's 40....now playing for a team as pathetic as west indies throughout most part of lara's career i would still SAY it was an achivement...and btw in test matches if we apply the same rule sachin averages 48+ against lara's 51
in Test Matches offcourse LARA has been more destructive than VIV and def more than sachin because LARA had the abilty to convert his hundreds into bigger knocks than any of his peers including sachin and LARA COULD carry the team on his shoulders like NO OTHER BATSMAN in the last 3 or 4 decades of cricket...Do yourself a favour buddy try to watch lara's innings against SL in 2001/02,lara SINGLE handedly scored 42% of his teams OVERALL score in the 3 test series,His total was 688 runs in 3 tests against the likes of murali..You Wont see a Guy play such Destructive Cricket all alone..it was LITERALLY a ONE MAN ARMY series for LARA...VIV in ODI's though is ARGUABLY the MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMAN...i would still say LARA was an equal if not better to viv in ODI's...also sanath and gilly are up there too...
As i said before buddy playing in a team which included GREATS like dravid ganguly(ONE OF THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATS in ODI's HIMSELF)...later SEHWAG,YUVRAJ...sachin's job wasnt really to bother about his teams score it was more about play your natural game and get out...lara on the other hand would most of the times end up a lone fighter to carry his teams batting..and BTW iam an INDIAN and i have seen ENOUGH of sachin throughout my life
and yes his last hundred on those tiny NZ grounds doesnt really match up to lara's 156 by any means....but his hundred against ENGLAND was VERY GOOD and it isnt that recent because as far as i remember you are talkin about his hundred against england in 2002 right??but yes that was very good....i agree there but still lara's hundred was SOMETHING ELSE...
and yes mate LARA IS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER BATSMAN OUT THERE in the last few decades...AND IMO LARA IS THE BEST BATSMAN OF THE MODERN ERA OF CRICKET...we should be thankful that lara came in the TELEVISION era and we could watch this legend bat...sachin aint far behind either...lara,ponting and sachin are ALL MODERN GREATS AND A TREAT TO WATCH WHEN ON SONG
P.S. as you said double tons and triple tons are not everything WELL even just having such statistics doesnt mean YOU ARE THAT GOOD...even salman butt has many hundreds already so what he is a GREAT??...because he only plays such god on sub continental tracks and struggles on other pitches mostly and his technique is DEF flawed...
PPS -- VIV RICHARDS LARA SANATH AND GILLY are all UP THERE as THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE BATSMEN OF MODERN ERA...sachin follows them...he is GREAT too but not as much a DEMOLISHER AS THOSE GUYS...
bill_123 added 16 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...
robin -- good buddy...iam enjoying this discussion...
i will list a few knocks too of lara
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
169 - 129 15 4 131.00 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 16 Oct 1995
THIS REALLY WAS ONE AWESOME INNINGS IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED THE TEAM A 300+ TOTAL...
I WOULD STILL SAY HIS INNNINGS ON A MORE DIFFICULT ADELAIDE PITCH AGAINST PAK WAS BETTER THAN THE 169 AND AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO A 300+ SCORE...
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date
156 176 138 12 5 113.04 4 bowled 1 v Pakistan Adelaide 28 Jan 2005
HAD A COUPLE ONE HANDED SIXES TOO...AND IT WAS TOTAL DOMINATION THAT LARA SHOWED THAT DAY....HE SPRAYED PAKISTANI BOWLERS TO EVERY CORNER OF THE GROUND...
AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER INNINGS OF 153 HE SCORED AGAINST PAK IN WHICH AGAIN HE CARRIED HIS TEAM TO VICTORY....
IN A TARGET OF 285 LARA HIMSELF SCORE 153 RUNS...
DL Haynes c ?Rashid Latif b Ata-ur-Rehman 3 7 0 0 42.85
BC Lara c ?Rashid Latif b Mushtaq Ahmed 153 143 21 0 106.99
PV Simmons c & b Saleem Malik 42 38 7 0 110.52
KLT Arthurton c sub b Ata-ur-Rehman 44 30 5 1 146.66
RB Richardson* not out 15 50 1 0 30.00
CL Hooper not out 5 11 0 0 45.45
Extras (lb 10, w 8, nb 5) 23
Total (4 wickets; 45.3 overs) 285 (6.26 runs per over)
AND HOW CAN I FORGET HIS 45 BALL HUNDRED....EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AGAINST BANGLADESH STILL ACHIEVING THAT RECORD ISNT EASY....AND ON A BIGGER DHAKA GROUND COMPARED TO WHERE AFRIDI SCORED HIS 37 BALL HUNDRED LARA PLAYED SOME BRILLIANT SHOTS ALL OVER AND HIS HUNDRED WAS MORE DOMINATED BY FOURS THAN SIXES SURPRISINGLY...THAT ITSELF SHOWS HOW HE COULD FIND GAPS SO REGULARLY AND SO EASILY...
117 - 62 18 4 188.70 2 bowled 1 v Bangladesh Dhaka 9 Oct 1999
AND PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST HUNDREDS WAS A HUNDRED AGAINST THE MIGHTY AUSTRALIANS IN AUSTRALIA IN A LOSING CAUSE BUT JUST LOOK AT LARA'S SCORE AND LOOK AT THE FINAL SCORE AND THE OTHER BATSMENS CONTRIBUTION...THIS IS WHERE I FELT BAD FOR HIM...HE WOULD GIVE INSPRING GEMS LIKE THIS IN A VERY UNINSPIRED AND SOMETIMES PATHETIC WINDIES TEAM
West Indies innings (target: 240 runs from 42.4 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
WW Hinds c Warne b Bracken 1 6 9 0 0 11.11
RD Jacobs? c Warne b Bracken 21 38 23 3 0 91.30
SL Campbell c Martyn b Harvey 23 70 51 3 0 45.09
BC Lara not out 116 143 106 10 2 109.43
MN Samuels c ?Gilchrist b Harvey 1 3 3 0 0 33.33
JC Adams* b Warne 9 19 12 1 0 75.00
RL Powell c Bracken b Warne 28 46 37 3 0 75.67
LR Williams st ?Gilchrist b Warne 1 3 2 0 0 50.00
NAM McLean lbw b Symonds 0 3 2 0 0 0.00
CEL Stuart not out 3 25 13 0 0 23.07
Extras (b 2, lb 1, w 3, nb 2) 8
Total (8 wickets; 42.4 overs; 182 mins) 211 (4.94 runs per over)
AND THERE ARE SO MANY I MAY HAVE MISSED....REALLY LARA WAS SUCH A GEM OF A CRICKETER...WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT RECORDS LARA WOULD HAVE HAD OTHER THAN THE ONES HE ALREADY HOLDS IF HE HAD A TEAM LIKE INDIA WHICH SACHIN HAS HAD ATLEAST IN THE BATTIN DEPARTMENT....
Great Post Bill_123!
I appreciate your Self-Belief,enthusiasm, Commitment, Passion and loyalty for Lara.
That you have survived the barrage of Bouncers and beamers of Readers so long is commendable.
Irrespective of the result of our debate ' Who is the most Destructive batsman Lara or Tendulkar' you have won half the battle with your counter attacks with interesting facts. Not many would have persisted that long.
Your wave of new facts on Lara has enriched all and sundry.
I always believed that challenges brings the best in a person whether here, at workplace or in a social scenario. In this context we have seen that it brought the best in you.
From a nervous start you grew in strength to strength. This post really proved that you are a force to reckon with.
So guys Lets all give a good hand to our new kid on the bloc 'The master Blaster Reader - Bill_123'.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers!
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robin - thanks mate....thanks for all the nice comments....appreciate
max_dillon - chill out buddy....you sound like a fanboy who is very angry at me
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in 90's INDIAN BATTING WAS WEAKER THAN WEST INDIAN BATTING??....LOL dude are you really serious about it...
in 90's india had dravid,azharuddin,jadeja,saurav(A MATCH WINNER ON HIS DAY EVEN MORE THAN SACHIN THOUGH NO WHERE NEAR TENDULKAR IN TERMS OF TECHNIQUE OR GREATNESS) etc.....then this decade there is sehwag,yuvraj,dhoni....first two being MATCH WINNERS and dhoni isnt bad either...and who will you bring out from indies team to oppose these greats now hooper lol he played once in a blue moon...chanderpaul yes he is very good....gayle is good too...sarwan is way too inconsistent...but still these batsmen are no where near those indian greats...only chanderpaul is a true great batsman after lara that windies produced...but after sachin india has produced ganguly,dravid,sehwag,azharuddin,sehwag,yuvraj and dhoni and iam sure i have missed a few
i NEVER said he has 8 or 9 hundreds against bangladesh damn BUDDY chill out you look more angry now with that line
....i meant overall in ODI's sachin has 8 to 9 hundreds against the likes of zimbabwe etc...
again you brought in stats where sachin looks good and TOTALLY IGNORE the stats which matter and which lara holds as NOTHING SPECIAL...looking at your one post i can say you are a big fan boy of sachin max because you are putting lara down with ways which just dont matter...lara was capable of occasional masterpiece??....YA RIGHT BUDDY....9 double tons(1 triple...1 quadruple).....28 runs in the last over of the day....501 in first class...breaking his own record as well as hayden's record when he was what 34 or 35 years old....shows he never lost any bit of his talent...one of the fastest test match hundreds...688 runs in ONE SINGLE SERIES where windies lost 3-0 to sri lanka....
and you bring in mcgrath fine....but you should know what those people think doesnt matter...because we all have enough video footage and stats to decide ourself who the best is instead of relying on a cricket great to tell us....
MURALI SAID LARA IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLAYER HE HD BOWLED TO....does that mean its enough to prove lara is better??...NO...it only proves murali has an opinion just like me,you or any other human being....so chill out with those statements
and NO in tests sachin hasnt got the most boundaries....IT IS STILL BRIAN CHARLES LARA with lesser test matches compared to what sachin played...in ODI's sachin got more but HE ALSO GOT 100+ more ODI's....also buddy just check out sachin's top few hundreds in tests and lara's top few...sachin's are NO WHERE NEAR AS DESTRUCTIVE AS LARA's....and btw lara has got almost all of his double tons against teams like australia(2)...south africa...sri lanka...england...pakistan not against BANGLADESH....
AGAIN strike rates dont say everything nor do averages....they do say a few things but they are not enough to JUDGE a batsman...sachin had the liberty to open the batting most of the matches and had the freedom to play his natural game but lara many times came in middle order and had to save his team from a debacle...even when he opened he saw wickets fall way too quickly around him...lets say for example windies are 41/4 what do you expect from lara now??....AGGRESSIVE BATTING STRAIGHTWAWAY??...lol...and these kind of situations were normal for lara NOT for sachin who rarely had such situations around him...and sachin fell under pressure buddy....HE RARELY FINISHED MATCHES....HE NEVER SCORED A TRIPLE TON IN TEST MATCHES....and without not outs lara still holds 36 in odi's compared to sachin's 40 and sachin in tests goes down to 48+ while lara is still above 50 with 51...so ITS NOT LIKE SACHIN WAS WAY TOO CONSISTENT....he was a bit more consistent than lara which i never denied...
and OFFCOURSE sachin isnt a match winner LARA was or PONTING was...or GILLY was...even most OF YOUR EXPERTS SAY THAT LARA WAS MORE A MATCH WINNER THAN SACHIN.......sachin did win a few though and played good cricket and helped his side with contributions in victories...
SO when you bring in those stats let me tell also show you a few stats from my above post
West Indies innings (target: 240 runs from 42.4 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
WW Hinds c Warne b Bracken 1 6 9 0 0 11.11
RD Jacobs† c Warne b Bracken 21 38 23 3 0 91.30
SL Campbell c Martyn b Harvey 23 70 51 3 0 45.09
BC Lara not out 116 143 106 10 2 109.43
MN Samuels c †Gilchrist b Harvey 1 3 3 0 0 33.33
JC Adams* b Warne 9 19 12 1 0 75.00
RL Powell c Bracken b Warne 28 46 37 3 0 75.67
LR Williams st †Gilchrist b Warne 1 3 2 0 0 50.00
NAM McLean lbw b Symonds 0 3 2 0 0 0.00
CEL Stuart not out 3 25 13 0 0 23.07
Extras (b 2, lb 1, w 3, nb 2) 8
Total (8 wickets; 42.4 overs; 182 mins) 211 (4.94 runs per over)
look at lara's score and look at his team mates scores...and look at the overall windies score...there are many many stats like these on cricinfo...just go through them and I BET you will remove that sachin pic in ur profile and upload a lara's pic...just kidding
and HAHAHAHA....lara is roddick and sachin is federer hahaha....THAT COMMENT OF YOURS REALLY KILLED ALL YOUR POST ABOVE THAT COMMENT...shows how biased you are for sachin...after seeing your post i must tell ROBIN AND KING CRICKET WERE FAR MORE MATURE AND FUN DISCUSSING WITH....HATS OFF TO ROBIN AND KING....
for me sachin will still be a great batsman and in top 10 of all time just not as great as lara or not as destructive as lara
and yes ONCE AGAIN WATCH LARA'S 156 AGAINST PAK IN VB SERIES FROM 2005...BY FAR ONE OF THE BEST ODI HUNDREDS AND BETTER THAN ANY SACHIN HUNDRED THIS DECADE
PEACE
max_dillon - chill out buddy....you sound like a fanboy who is very angry at me
......in 90's INDIAN BATTING WAS WEAKER THAN WEST INDIAN BATTING??....LOL dude are you really serious about it...
in 90's india had dravid,azharuddin,jadeja,saurav(A MATCH WINNER ON HIS DAY EVEN MORE THAN SACHIN THOUGH NO WHERE NEAR TENDULKAR IN TERMS OF TECHNIQUE OR GREATNESS) etc.....then this decade there is sehwag,yuvraj,dhoni....first two being MATCH WINNERS and dhoni isnt bad either...and who will you bring out from indies team to oppose these greats now hooper lol he played once in a blue moon...chanderpaul yes he is very good....gayle is good too...sarwan is way too inconsistent...but still these batsmen are no where near those indian greats...only chanderpaul is a true great batsman after lara that windies produced...but after sachin india has produced ganguly,dravid,sehwag,azharuddin,sehwag,yuvraj and dhoni and iam sure i have missed a few
i NEVER said he has 8 or 9 hundreds against bangladesh damn BUDDY chill out you look more angry now with that line
....i meant overall in ODI's sachin has 8 to 9 hundreds against the likes of zimbabwe etc...again you brought in stats where sachin looks good and TOTALLY IGNORE the stats which matter and which lara holds as NOTHING SPECIAL...looking at your one post i can say you are a big fan boy of sachin max because you are putting lara down with ways which just dont matter
...lara was capable of occasional masterpiece??....YA RIGHT BUDDY....9 double tons(1 triple...1 quadruple).....28 runs in the last over of the day....501 in first class...breaking his own record as well as hayden's record when he was what 34 or 35 years old....shows he never lost any bit of his talent...one of the fastest test match hundreds...688 runs in ONE SINGLE SERIES where windies lost 3-0 to sri lanka....and you bring in mcgrath fine....but you should know what those people think doesnt matter...because we all have enough video footage and stats to decide ourself who the best is instead of relying on a cricket great to tell us....
MURALI SAID LARA IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLAYER HE HD BOWLED TO....does that mean its enough to prove lara is better??...NO...it only proves murali has an opinion just like me,you or any other human being....so chill out with those statements
and NO in tests sachin hasnt got the most boundaries....IT IS STILL BRIAN CHARLES LARA with lesser test matches compared to what sachin played...in ODI's sachin got more but HE ALSO GOT 100+ more ODI's....also buddy just check out sachin's top few hundreds in tests and lara's top few...sachin's are NO WHERE NEAR AS DESTRUCTIVE AS LARA's....and btw lara has got almost all of his double tons against teams like australia(2)...south africa...sri lanka...england...pakistan not against BANGLADESH
....AGAIN strike rates dont say everything nor do averages....they do say a few things but they are not enough to JUDGE a batsman...sachin had the liberty to open the batting most of the matches and had the freedom to play his natural game but lara many times came in middle order and had to save his team from a debacle...even when he opened he saw wickets fall way too quickly around him...lets say for example windies are 41/4 what do you expect from lara now??....AGGRESSIVE BATTING STRAIGHTWAWAY??...lol...and these kind of situations were normal for lara NOT for sachin who rarely had such situations around him...and sachin fell under pressure buddy....HE RARELY FINISHED MATCHES....HE NEVER SCORED A TRIPLE TON IN TEST MATCHES....and without not outs lara still holds 36 in odi's compared to sachin's 40 and sachin in tests goes down to 48+ while lara is still above 50 with 51...so ITS NOT LIKE SACHIN WAS WAY TOO CONSISTENT....he was a bit more consistent than lara which i never denied...
and OFFCOURSE sachin isnt a match winner LARA was or PONTING was...or GILLY was...even most OF YOUR EXPERTS SAY THAT LARA WAS MORE A MATCH WINNER THAN SACHIN
.......sachin did win a few though and played good cricket and helped his side with contributions in victories...SO when you bring in those stats let me tell also show you a few stats from my above post
West Indies innings (target: 240 runs from 42.4 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
WW Hinds c Warne b Bracken 1 6 9 0 0 11.11
RD Jacobs† c Warne b Bracken 21 38 23 3 0 91.30
SL Campbell c Martyn b Harvey 23 70 51 3 0 45.09
BC Lara not out 116 143 106 10 2 109.43
MN Samuels c †Gilchrist b Harvey 1 3 3 0 0 33.33
JC Adams* b Warne 9 19 12 1 0 75.00
RL Powell c Bracken b Warne 28 46 37 3 0 75.67
LR Williams st †Gilchrist b Warne 1 3 2 0 0 50.00
NAM McLean lbw b Symonds 0 3 2 0 0 0.00
CEL Stuart not out 3 25 13 0 0 23.07
Extras (b 2, lb 1, w 3, nb 2) 8
Total (8 wickets; 42.4 overs; 182 mins) 211 (4.94 runs per over)
look at lara's score and look at his team mates scores...and look at the overall windies score...there are many many stats like these on cricinfo...just go through them and I BET you will remove that sachin pic in ur profile and upload a lara's pic...just kidding
and HAHAHAHA....lara is roddick and sachin is federer hahaha....THAT COMMENT OF YOURS REALLY KILLED ALL YOUR POST ABOVE THAT COMMENT...shows how biased you are for sachin...after seeing your post i must tell ROBIN AND KING CRICKET WERE FAR MORE MATURE AND FUN DISCUSSING WITH....HATS OFF TO ROBIN AND KING....
for me sachin will still be a great batsman and in top 10 of all time just not as great as lara or not as destructive as lara
and yes ONCE AGAIN WATCH LARA'S 156 AGAINST PAK IN VB SERIES FROM 2005...BY FAR ONE OF THE BEST ODI HUNDREDS AND BETTER THAN ANY SACHIN HUNDRED THIS DECADE
PEACE
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You are absolutely right. I agree with you 100%.
robin2855 added 53 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...
how many times one has to tell you that In the 90' Indian team was weaker than West indies. Indian Team only had Sachin...... Tell me another match winner india had at that time??? I agree Lara's first century was a gem but if you look at tendulkar's first test century you would be awed by the silkiness of the innings. It was last day and india was playing for draw against England. They had to survive last day. That time Sachin Scored a counter attacking 131.... ow old he was...umm.... 18 years..... The number of double and triple ton doesnt say that he is the greatest or most destructive. It means that man had great stamina and fitness to play... Sachin and many other greats falter after 150 or 200 coz they get tired and play loose shot...
When you say sachin had 8 or 9 ODI hundreds against Bangladesh you should have done your homework. He has zero 100s against Bangladesh. Moreover, Against the best team in the world:Australia, Sachin averages 46 with 8 hundreds in 60 matches, while lara averages 39 in 51 matches with just 3 hundreds. Moreover, when i said lara was capable of occasional masterpiece ,you should have done some research. Coz, Lara's Strike Rate justifies this logic, his strike Rate in ODI is 79. How come you call someone who have Dravidian strike rate... His some innings were great but other were seriously poor.
You recall that Lara has most number of boundaries in Test Cricket, then why you negelct Sachin who has most in ODI(Though might have in test too but his boundaries stats are surprisingly missing on cricinfo)...
You said sachin is not a match winner.
Once Glenn McGrath was asked between Sachin and Lara whom did he prefer to bowl and why?
Reply: Obviously Lara!, Sachin is so perfect and hits even good balls to boundry. If you dont get Sachin out early then it gets very difficult to get him. While against lara you always feel you have a chance.
Lara never gave any bowler nightmares.
Lara had scored over 1000 runs in ODI just once which concretes my believe that his brilliant innings were separated by very long period of droughts. Sachin had scored over thousand runs 7 times. Top 3 years were, 1894 with 9 centuries in 34 matches in 1998, 1611 with 6 centuries in 32 matches in 1996,1425 with 1 century in 33 matches in 2007.. Only hayden came close during 2007 with 1600 odd runs. Noone has ever crossed the 1700 run mark in a year, let alone 1894.
Just to summarize, Lara can play occasionally very well but tendulkar destroys consistently. This can be best illustrated by Roddick-Federrer comparision. Roddick occasionally plays at a level wher he can beat anyone,he came very close to beat federrer this year. But federrer is perfect genius and fails occasionally. Roddick has power but federrer has precision.
Here is the scorecard of one of the great innings of Tendulkar. It would make the scorecard you posted tiny.
SC Ganguly lbw b Fleming 17 38 32 2 0 53.12
SR Tendulkar c ?Gilchrist b Fleming 143 187 131 9 5 109.16
NR Mongia? c ME Waugh b Moody 35 55 46 4 1 76.08
M Azharuddin* b Moody 14 24 20 0 0 70.00
A Jadeja c ?Gilchrist b SR Waugh 1 4 5 0 0 20.00
VVS Laxman not out 23 75 34 1 0 67.64
HH Kanitkar not out 5 12 14 0 0 35.71
Extras (lb 5, w 3, nb 4) 12
Total (5 wickets; 46 overs) 250 (5.43 runs per over)
Awesome post Gaurav! The debate has become thrilling and exciting and it is moving towards a photo finish.
Your indepth insights on Sachin and Lara are enriching for all and sundry.
Bill's posts are great as well.
Keep Going.
Congratulations King Cricket, bill_123, max_dillon2007!
Congratulations King Cricket!
Congratulations bill_123!
Congratulations max_dillon2007!
King Cricket, Billie, max_dillon2007 are being declared joint winners of Lara Vs Sachin contest.
All three of them has strong points that cannot be ignored or discounted.
As far as I am concerned it is a tie.
You have all made us all proud with some very good points, awesome posts, marathon Researches and boundless loyalty for your favorite cricketer .
As all of you are probably aware that off the field Sachin and Lara are very good friends.
Both of them claim officially that one is better than the other which is professionalism of the highest order.
Let us all take a leaf out of their book and do the same.
LARA AND SACHIN ARE EQUAL.
The geniuses said it
What keeps us from saying it?
WE ECHO THE SAME AS THE GENIUSES SAID.
Having said all the above
Let us all give them a big hand
Keep up the good work guys.
You are all assets of Planet cricket and we all hope that you will enlighten and enrich everyone with your indepth and insightful contributions in the days to come.
Cheers!
Congratulations King Cricket!
Congratulations bill_123!
Congratulations max_dillon2007!
King Cricket, Billie, max_dillon2007 are being declared joint winners of Lara Vs Sachin contest.
All three of them has strong points that cannot be ignored or discounted.
As far as I am concerned it is a tie.
You have all made us all proud with some very good points, awesome posts, marathon Researches and boundless loyalty for your favorite cricketer .
As all of you are probably aware that off the field Sachin and Lara are very good friends.
Both of them claim officially that one is better than the other which is professionalism of the highest order.
Let us all take a leaf out of their book and do the same.
LARA AND SACHIN ARE EQUAL.
The geniuses said it
What keeps us from saying it?
WE ECHO THE SAME AS THE GENIUSES SAID.
Having said all the above
Let us all give them a big hand
Keep up the good work guys.
You are all assets of Planet cricket and we all hope that you will enlighten and enrich everyone with your indepth and insightful contributions in the days to come.
Cheers!
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