Pakistan tour of Australia and New Zealand 2023/24

[Bigby Wolf]

On the arrival of Azam Khan they really played Big Show's wwe theme.

 

[Khan Sahab54]

Our Womens team played better in New Zealand than our Mens team

 

[CerealKiller]

Give Allen some credit too. Average isn't everything. Allen's value to the NZ team is his SR, which he has shown on the biggest stage against good teams. He is a talent

Allen was quite hyped even before this series.

My point is that he was never this consistent

 

[CerealKiller]

Shows the top order failings more than anything else

 

[pillowprocter]

Shows the top order failings more than anything else

You're getting way too fixated on this, no one here even slammed Azam that much. I'm afraid if you keep going you'll spiral into a bout of Azam Khan fuelled insanity

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

On the arrival of Azam Khan they really played Big Show's wwe theme.

Fat shaming is real and is as big as a problem as Racism.

 

[CerealKiller]

You're getting way too fixated on this, no one here even slammed Azam that much. I'm afraid if you keep going you'll spiral into a bout of Azam Khan fuelled insanity

Not replying to anyone here, just sharing

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I do think a reasonable discussion can be had about a player's fitness without necessarily resorting to fat jokes. While I'm certainly not above them myself (and I'm overweight, so I'm allowed ) it doesn't mean it's the be and end all of someone's person or sporting ability.

Let's not forget the absolute king of the big lads.

 

[pillowprocter]

every Nawaz over ruined by 1 boundary ball

 

[Khan Sahab54]

WTF is the problem with our fielding

 

[Viper.]

Yeah, keep sending him in at 6 when he's a 4/5, then drop him after two matches with the fitness excuse, then when he outperforms every middle order batter in T20s, bring him back in the national team, only to repeat the same process.

I still wanna back him tbh, he's one of the better prospects for Pakistan's T20 middle order.. but what happened to Haris? He should be opening or coming at 3 for sure. And why hasn't Shan played T20Is since the T20 WC 2022 despite his good performance in it?

The same excuse was given for SKY in ODIs at the start and… we all know how that ended.

You don’t get a lot of opportunities in international cricket generally and failing to make use of them will result in you being dropped inevitably whether it is fair or not; see Mulder for SA.

I think Mulder was given enough chances and didn't really perform anywhere, you could argue he wasn't played enough at 6 but in this SA batting-power-packed side, as a pace bowling AR you would have to be incredible as a batsman to get in the Top 6 (as good as specialist batters) and Mulder wasn't really a proper Batting AR.

 

[Viper.]

My point is that he was never this consistent

Allen could always hit but he was way too hit or miss, would be aggressive in powerplay but couldn't build an innings, this is honestly an improvement from him, and if anything it knocks Rachin Ravindra out of any little contention he might have had in T20s (I guess NZ actually looks at T20 domestic stats and not other international formats for selection, even if the guy has had an insane WC, BCCI please take notes)

 

[Bevab]

I still wanna back him tbh, he's one of the better prospects for Pakistan's T20 middle order.. but what happened to Haris? He should be opening or coming at 3 for sure. And why hasn't Shan played T20Is since the T20 WC 2022 despite his good performance in it?


I think Mulder was given enough chances and didn't really perform anywhere, you could argue he wasn't played enough at 6 but in this SA batting-power-packed side, as a pace bowling AR you would have to be incredible as a batsman to get in the Top 6 (as good as specialist batters) and Mulder wasn't really a proper Batting AR.

Mulder definitely wasn’t given enough chances, at least not in his best format of List A cricket. The year in which he’s played the most number of ODIs (six) despite making his debut all the way back in 2017 still remains 2018 and he’s had multiple good seasons since then whilst also passing the eye test domestically, it’s just that he crumbles at a level above. SA can afford to split the fifth bowler duties between Jansen and Markram and have a strong top six but that isn’t the case for a template ODI team which needs two proper all-rounders in the top seven at least.

I think Mulder is a good example of the conundrum posed earlier; he has the domestic numbers, he is capable of filling in a role that doesn’t have too many players but given that he’s failed in those sporadic chances he’s been irregularly given he’s less likely to play again in the future with each passing domestic season where he still performs well.

And while his career numbers look bad at first glance… he’s only faced 104 deliveries in twelve innings. Only thrice has his side posted a big enough total, on most other occasions it’s been either his side collapsing or a low scoring affair in general. I also think that he’s lost his wicket too quickly which could be either due to him struggling to preserve it or the situation demanding him to play aggressively. Would be interesting to see his VARP.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Mulder definitely wasn’t given enough chances, at least not in his best format of List A cricket. The year in which he’s played the most number of ODIs (six) despite making his debut all the way back in 2017 still remains 2018 and he’s had multiple good seasons since then whilst also passing the eye test domestically, it’s just that he crumbles at a level above. SA can afford to split the fifth bowler duties between Jansen and Markram and have a strong top six but that isn’t the case for a template ODI team which needs two proper all-rounders in the top seven at least.

I think Mulder is a good example of the conundrum posed earlier; he has the domestic numbers, he is capable of filling in a role that doesn’t have too many players but given that he’s failed in those sporadic chances he’s been irregularly given he’s less likely to play again in the future with each passing domestic season where he still performs well.

And while his career numbers look bad at first glance… he’s only faced 104 deliveries in twelve innings. Only thrice has his side posted a big enough total, on most other occasions it’s been either his side collapsing or a low scoring affair in general. I also think that he’s lost his wicket too quickly which could be either due to him struggling to preserve it or the situation demanding him to play aggressively. Would be interesting to see his VARP.

Mulder is still pretty young, not even 26, although it feels like he's been around for ages (made his debut in 2017).

 

[Viper.]

Mulder definitely wasn’t given enough chances, at least not in his best format of List A cricket. The year in which he’s played the most number of ODIs (six) despite making his debut all the way back in 2017 still remains 2018 and he’s had multiple good seasons since then whilst also passing the eye test domestically, it’s just that he crumbles at a level above. SA can afford to split the fifth bowler duties between Jansen and Markram and have a strong top six but that isn’t the case for a template ODI team which needs two proper all-rounders in the top seven at least.

I think Mulder is a good example of the conundrum posed earlier; he has the domestic numbers, he is capable of filling in a role that doesn’t have too many players but given that he’s failed in those sporadic chances he’s been irregularly given he’s less likely to play again in the future with each passing domestic season where he still performs well.

And while his career numbers look bad at first glance… he’s only faced 104 deliveries in twelve innings. Only thrice has his side posted a big enough total, on most other occasions it’s been either his side collapsing or a low scoring affair in general. I also think that he’s lost his wicket too quickly which could be either due to him struggling to preserve it or the situation demanding him to play aggressively. Would be interesting to see his VARP.

SA have had a huge Pace AR issue since Morris and Pretorius retired, Andile ain't good enough and Marco only recently proved he could bat well enough for a 7 so I feel Mulder was constantly tried out at that spot and for that role and his bowling was simply not good enough for that role. I actually really want Mulder to get more chances as SA still need a decent all-rounder depth and they don't have much. This Mpongwana dude is also now fighting for that role, so there is more competition. I hope Mulder makes it in Internationals eventually and becomes a regular player. Can defo play more matches now than he did in 2018 considering the depth was much better back then.

He has to definitely improve his bowling for that and with current batting he'd do well for the No. 7 role, even if he's better suited to 6 because like I said, Too many strong batters in Top 6. Even though you say an ODI side needs 2 proper ARs in Top 6, like I said- Mulder has to bat *incredibly* well to get in the Top 6 as a batter as Klaasen, Miller etc are competing for his spots there. So for now they'd rather go Markram as that AR and use him as sixth bowler. And Mulder , again like you said, hasn't done that great internationally at all to be backed as a Top 6 batter, so keeps getting pushed for that No. 7 Bowling AR role where SA have had a void in.