Scrap new rules: Ricky

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THE recent innovations designed to make one-day cricket more interesting should be scrapped unless the game's administrators were prepared to overhaul them, Australia captain Ricky Ponting said yesterday.

Ponting and his New Zealand counterpart, Daniel Vettori, questioned the viability of the super sub and power-play rule changes, which were introduced to the limited-overs game on a 10-month trial basis in July.

Ponting described the International Cricket Council's edict that teams must name their substitute player before the coin toss as a severe disadvantage to the team that calls incorrectly.

For example, should Australia choose to use specialist bowler Mick Lewis as its super sub in today's one-dayer in Wellington, he would need to be injected into the game from the outset should Ponting lose the toss and be consigned to fielding first.

Under that scenario, a specialist batsman would have to be removed from the Australia line-up immediately and, because no interchange of substitutes is permitted, it would be forced to enter its innings with reduced batting depth.

"To be able to name your sub after the toss would work better for everybody," Ponting said.

"Now it can be too much of an advantage for the team that wins the toss.

"They've obviously picked their sub on the way they want to use him. The team that loses the toss can be stuck with not having that other option. So it's almost 12 against 11."

Ponting gained a sneak preview of the innovations designed to liven up the increasingly tedious middle overs of a one-day game when they were used during a three-match challenge series against England in July before the Ashes series.

The ICC's cricket committee (under the chairmanship of former India opening batsman Sunil Gavaskar) will review the effectiveness of the changes at the end of May and decide whether they will be retained.

Asked if he believed the changes should survive beyond May without fine-tuning, Ponting was emphatic, saying: "In their present form I'd probably say scrap them."

Vettori also harbours reservations about the super-sub tactic, claiming it effectively robs New Zealand of one of its distinct advantages in the one-day arena.

The Kiwis recently rose to be the second-ranked one-day team in the world, largely because of their glut of all-rounders, which meant they could call on a myriad of bowling options while not compromising their batting depth.

But with rival teams now able to swing extra batsmen and bowlers into their playing XI, the absence of specialist players is seen as one of the reasons New Zealand has tumbled to seventh in the rankings in recent months.

Vettori's greater concern involves the spurious power plays that were designed to add an element of intrigue to the abbreviated game's tactics, but have simply ensured fielding restrictions remain in place for the first 20 overs of an innings rather than the traditional 15.

"I don't see a lot of point to them really," Vettori said.

"I don't enjoy them purely as a bowler and I think they make it harder on the spin bowlers.

"I think captains are just trying to get through them as quickly as possible as opposed to using them in any advantageous way.

"That's probably not what they were designed to do but that's basically what they've become. I enjoyed the 15 overs, it was a nice sort of balance.

"The 15-40 overs is somewhere I've bowled a lot and I think it's one of the most skilful parts of the game for the batting and bowling side.

"And as a captain you have to find different ways to attack with different options. I feel like the power plays are taking that away and I think they were designed for the opposite reason."

Ponting suggested that the power-play option could be made more interesting if the batting team was allowed to choose when during its innings to implement one of the five-over blocks of fielding restrictions.

However, as a bowler Vettori was not so convinced. "The 40th to 50th overs could be a bit of fun if the opposing captain had a say in those," Vettori said.

The Australian

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,17485214-23212,00.html



I'm sure a few kiwis on here will agree with Ponting :) Now I see why they aren't happy, it seems when the supersub was introduced NZ slipped further and further down. It does make sense given NZ have so many all rounders.

I think it should be cut too, no point in the supersub. It gives the team winning the toss that extra advantage. It also means teams no longer need to find balance or an all rounder as they can just supersub someone on.

As for the powerplay I kinda like what Ponting is saying but why not give both sides one powerplay each. That way its fair for both fielding and batting side.
 
I've always said that it should be as it used to be in Aussie domestic cricket: 12 a-side, 11 bat, 11 field. Simple.

Ponting welcomed these rules when they were introduced, making it the third time he's changed his mind this year.
 
The Aussie rule still wouldn't work for the Kiwis. I think scraping it is the way to go. That way you at least are forcing teams to look for ODI all rounders.

As for Punter I guess hes bored of the supersub ;) Its not like he is using the supersub anyway. He just brings him onto field bowl maybe 1 or 2 overs and thats the supersub done for the day.
 
aussie1st said:
The Aussie rule still wouldn't work for the Kiwis. I think scraping it is the way to go.
Fair point.

I do wonder what Ponting will change his mind about next.

Before the ICC Trophy, he said he wished all the teams playing good luck, and said he looked forward to seeing them in the 2007 World Cup. Later he said they shouldn't be in the World Cup.

Before the Super Series he said he was excited about the concept, now he thinks it's crap.

And now he's changed his mind on the new ODI rules.

Hypocrite.
 
Fleming/Vettori and Ponting both said that the new rules need scrapping. I would like to know where the other captains stand.

I think Ponting initially decided they wern't bad and was perhaps scared to question them in public before anyone else did.
 
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I never liked the new rules.. they get confusing aswell.

As for powerplays, the fielding teams just use to the 20 overs from the beggining till they run out most of the time, which is pointless.
 
I wish the rules are modified, not scrapped. I feel there is nothing wrong in a Super Sub. It definitely adds a new element of interest to the game. The Super Sub can be named after the toss making it "12-a-side, 11 bat, 11 field" like nixon said... The Powerplays can also remain the same of 20 overs with one block of 5 overs being able to be chosen by the batting team....
 
I read that article in the midday (eight hours ago). And I think winning the toss clearly gives an advantage. If they want to go ahead with the Supersub, there could be made a possibility, like it was said, that teams could choose it after the toss.

And I am not very fond about these rules.
 
Well its not that my opinion matters much sine I'd have to go with everyone else and say dont scrap it, modify it.

I agree that it brings a new element into the game, in fact I like it alot. But the toss is where the super sub really comes into play, in a way. Loose the toss and you are at a disadvantage, win it and you have no problems. It has been said quite often that the super sub should be chosen after the toss and I fully agree with that.

The powerplays dont really have a huge effect on the game in my eyes really, so I wouldn't mind seeing them stay or go for a matter of fact.
Just my two cents.
 
Supersubs need to be scrapped TOTALLY. Cricket is an 11 on 11 game in my opinion.

PowerPlays could be modified to be better. The first 10 like usual, and 5 to the batting team to be used between overs 10-40. This way if some batsmen get in they can have 5 overs with the field up and choose to take the risk themselves. It would also mess up the other teams captains bowler rotations. They could go ill bring on a spinner, then you decide to take the 5 overs so they use a pace bowler instead. Of course its my opinion and I havn't seen it happen so mabee it would suck.

That would be my pick if anything. But otherwise scrap it.
 
Good to see the rules are still getting more attention than they deserve. By this, I mean they are so incredibly irrelevant, yet everyone hates them.
 
How are they irrelevant? They both affect the match. You lose the toss then your supersub may become useless.
Powerplays haven't done much as yet but it has given teams an extra 5 overs to slog it out.
 
I like the idea of the batsman choosing 1 powerplay and the bowling captain choosing one:)
 
I wonder if Ponting has changed his mind after Lewis saved his ass.
 
:laugh probably
But they would have picked Lewis if the supersub rule wasn't there. Sadly I think Clark would have been dropped and Bracken staying on. So it definitely worked out for Aus today.
I still don't know why Ponting doesn't like the supersub. Its favours Aus as we don't have quality all rounders.
 

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