End Game Suburban Bliss Mafia | End game. Town & Judas wins (Fake Passport/surendar/Villain & PresidentEvil)

[swacker]

I hope everybody is reading this post very well in order to get a nice read.

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With FP being Judas or town trying to get mafia out, you are confirming yourself that you have mafia alignment.

Idk what made you think he is being Judas, but what you need to understand is that he brought the thing up, and I didn't confirm until I was asked to which I had to.

Swacker - You are the mafia boss
Fake and CK - You are not to reveal your roles here as one of you is the traitor.

That's enough of you accusing me as boss. You think you can run away with calling me the boss and reveal yourself as Judas when Rudolph did mention the roles on who is who.

There's very little you can say to convince me that Judas is anything close to a townie. He's more like a third party and he wins if the other mafia are dead. Dead simple win condition, and I don't see reason for town to just hand it to him bc that way we don't win. If his claims are believable, then we should get rid of him first before the other mafia.

Nope, the thing is that my role changes when two of the other mafia are eliminated.

It boils down to self preservation to an extent. Swacker as mafia boss, and CK who knows I'm Judas are very powerful players to have looking at you. Had I played it any other way, swacker would be reading CK and my posts and the chat and pretty quickly worked out it is me. It would have then been an easier frame-up.

If CK knows who the Judas is, why didn't he confirm that you are. I don't know how long you will hold your bluff, I hope the town notice that.

Even if swacker flips as Judas, it is must for town to get rid of mafia aligned anyway. He is not going to sit back choosing no kill anyway in night. With swacker himself agreeing to alignment of mafia, not sure what would stop us to get rid of a mafia?

I will tell you again, my role changes when I eliminate rest of the mafia.

 

[Fake Passport]

@Jack Ryder - @Villain
Surely, surely we can agree that the above post is enough?

Now his role changes with 2 mafia eliminations?
Now Im suspicious because CK, who is a true mafia isnt confirming me as Judas? Why would he do that? It makes no sense for a true mafia to do that?

 

[swacker]

Yes - swacker can say 'FP kills Simon' (for example) but as soon as we eliminate swack that gets removed and CK becomes inert and I essentially have same win condition as town.

You are flipping the table around mate, I had enough of you.

Swacker admitted to being mafia. Wouldn't that make it a 50-50 chance even if FP's claim is fake?

What's with this fuss about I admitted about mafia, when CK is clearly trying to wave out at any situation coming by.

In this post alone he has kind of confirmed it all. He has painted me as mafia and town in the one post (which, in a sense, I am) He has not done anything to defend himself at all.

Because I didn't want to reveal my role anytime, and act in a way that it would seem intentional.

Thats right, Ive called him out as the Mafia Boss and he says NOTHING. This early day one, even a 'haha cool RVS vote dude' would have lent credibility.

I didn't want myself being over-reactive to such situation and voting at you will end up being 'OMGUS'.

 

[swacker]

Now his role changes with 2 mafia eliminations?

I thought you know the obvious things better.

 

[Fake Passport]

You said your role changes. Thats a new claim.
Judas remains the same, the name stays the same, I still return mafia if investigated, my win condition doesn't change.

I believe a new role claim to be too far fetched. Its desperation...

 

[swacker]

You said your role changes. Thats a new claim.
Judas remains the same, the name stays the same, I still return mafia if investigated, my win condition doesn't change.

Same as I quote above. It's too obvious on what I mean. You need to ease up.

I believe a new role claim to be too far fetched. Its desperation...

Why don't you get some rest, instead of overreacting to it.

 

[Fake Passport]

Ok ... lets say you were claiming Judas. Your above posts still do nothing to validate that claim. Essentially telling me to go away might make your life easier, but doesn't validate your claim anymore

Plus - You didn't respond to the claim that you think CK not jumping to my defense is suspicious when its clearly not in his interest. I will leave it to the others to make that determination, but I dare say everyone would have been more suspicious if CK had done that.

 

[swacker]

Essentially telling me to go away might make your life easier, but doesn't validate your claim anymore

Not really making you get away, should get along with something which is worth talking about is what I meant. And no matter what I say, seems to you that it doesn't make sense.

You didn't respond to the claim that you think CK not jumping to my defense is suspicious when its clearly not in his interest. I will leave it to the others to make that determination, but I dare say everyone would have been more suspicious if CK had done that.

You said CK who knows you're Judas, and why he didn't respond to that was the question. No way did I say it was suspicious.

 

[Fake Passport]

You said CK who knows you're Judas, and why he didn't respond to that was the question. No way did I say it was suspicious.

Well, he kinda is by pulling this VT line, everyone knows its not legit but what other option have we given him? Hes not about to come out and say "I can say FP is lying because I am the godfather" he cant admit to being the other goon because, well, noone claims as 'true' mafia and if he claimed Judas we would have a "I am spartacus" situation which noone would believe either.

Even so, it still does nothing to your claim to be Judas though. Ive built up a bunch of evidence that taken together shows im telling the truth, yours is essentially "dont believe him because thats my gig"

 

[swacker]

He cant admit to being the other goon because, well, noone claims as 'true' mafia and if he claimed Judas we would have a "I am spartacus" situation which noone would believe either.

Nice reference of tv show. At least with that, you claimed the roles way too early, so that he can sacrifice for you.

Ive built up a bunch of evidence that taken together shows im telling the truth

Not by keeping telling 'I am Judas' time to time.

 

[Fake Passport]

Not by keeping telling 'I am Judas' time to time.

Plus the original claim. Plus having pretty much what I was saying broadly (mafia team makeup at least) confirmed by you, plus having all the role queries pretty much validated by Rudi, plus having you not overly defend yourself, plus pushing back on me with the argument about CK that makes no sense, plus any other situation with me getting far fetched, plus a hammer - 1 believing me over you....

But sure, my entire argument is 'I am Judas'...

 

[Villain]

You guys have confused us even more, if that was intentional then well played. Honestly, I can't really pick between the two and hence my lynch on CK stays[DOUBLEPOST=1502209992][/DOUBLEPOST]Good to see Swacker trying to defend himself while FP has been the most active, tough yet risky to go for one of them right now.

 

[Villain]

CK won't really confirm who Judas is obviously as that will confirm him as a mafia

 

[SiriusBlack]

I'm sorry. But I don't think you will ever be aligned with town. You're a traitor to the mafia, that's right. But that would make you a third-party sort of role. And the biggest thing is for us (Town) to win, it is necessary that you get lynched off. Simple as that. So if you're speaking the truth (that you're Judas), I'm afraid I won't stop gunning for you as soon as day 2 starts.

This.

Rudolph said Judas is essentially a VT bc his aim is to get rid of scum. He can win with town alive, but town can't win with him alive. Would love it if @RUDOLPH specified the win conditions bc it's honestly frustrating that someone convinced the entire town that Judas is town aligned.
I'm going to stick with my theory that out of the trio of swacker, FP and CK, at least one of them is town, and we have a mafia out in the open. And I have a very strong suspicion on anyone trying to convince town that Judas is town aligned. I can't see how the mod can make that any clearer, given that he's outside of town alignment. All threats to town = anyone not town aligned.

 

[Fake Passport]

but town can't win with him alive. Would love it if @RUDOLPH specified the win conditions bc it's honestly frustrating that someone convinced the entire town that Judas is town aligned.

@RUDOLPH - Please clear this up even more.

Simply put
Is Judas a threat to town?
Can town win if Judas is alive?