iZeeshan
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Of course not. But the same can be said about the reciprocating situation.
Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY
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Of course not. But the same can be said about the reciprocating situation.
Nice of you to play around with Statsguru.
Fact: Inzamam didn't play a test match since 2007. So for him, how about we do 2005 - 2007? Oh, I'm sorry, if I do that, then Inzamam's average will be higher than Tendulkar, and that just won't be right.
For those of you who are honest, Sachin averages 42 in the last 2 years of his playing career according to the page that he posted.
Inzamam averaged 46.50 in his last 2 years. http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting
Now go back to your hole and play around with statsguru and try to fool all of us
Besides, who are these judges? You decided to pull out some random-ass article from 2006. That shows NOTHING. You just decided to find an article which supported your case.
Do you want to explain why Tendulkar has not received a man of the match since 1998? Maybe he hasn't played a meaningful enough innings for TEN YEARS.
Secondly, your panel never mentioned test cricket, so that already throws it out.
Seriously, grow up. Go find some real stats instead of playing with statsguru to get what you want
I've shown you real statistics, which manee has seen as well. You've decided to deceive us all, but I was smart enough to catch you
Listen this is a panel of experts from cricinfo. They take into consideration a person's career hollistically (this is why Lara is rated as the highest, because he's had a better test career than Tendulkar, though Tendulkar may be a better player in ODI format.)
Really every other accusation you've thrown at me can be reversed. You've played around with statsguru to bring up your skewed stats, and so can I. End result is that the panel stands. Nothing you throw can counter this. If you provide us a panel discussion refuting what this panel said I concede.
so in zmario format. GIVE ME PANEL PROOF OR YOU ARE WRONG> EXPERTS SAY TENDULKAR IS BETTER THAN INZAMAM. GROW UP AND READ SOME MORE!
Insomniac
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Another SPLENDID performance under pressure by Sachin Tendulkar
By the way, this photo goes with that performance.
Now heres another story.
Asian Test Championship, Dravid bowled by Akhtar.
In comes Tendulkar. The crowd goes BESERK at Eden Gardens.
In comes Akhtar. GONE, YORKED. Another FANTASTIC Under-Pressure innings by Sachin Tendulkar.
Crowd is stunned. Tendulkar walks back, since he could not handle the pressure. India were under pressure because of all the hype around him because of Akhtar. And Akhtar blasted his middle stump out.
A video is available on youtube.
A second story. First test between India and Pakistan in 1999, taking place in Chennai.
Pakistan struggle along to 240 odd in the first innings.
India make 260 in reply.
In the second innings Afridi scores 141 and the rest of the Pakistani batsmen play around him. Pakistan 290 (?) all out, India require 271 to win.
The chase begins badly, with Ramesh and Laxman out, India 6-2.
Dravid and the rest fall, with Sachin surviving a few LBW shouts and caught behinds.
Sachin survives to 218-6.
Sachin starts playing Saqlain nicely, and is about to take India home.
Till Sachin chokes. He decides to hit Saqlain over everyone's head. He's caught easily at mid-off.
He could have easily taken India home, had he played sensibly, and nudged the ones and twos and all.
But no, I have to hit a big shot, I'm Sachin Tendulkar.
India lost the test match and the series by 12 runs.
What a game of test match cricket. And what could have been, for India, had Sachin not choked.
zMario added 3 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...
And you know that. Why else would you dig back to 2006?
I have not deceived anybody with my usage of Statsguru. I clearly stated what I was searching for. You were trying to deceive everyone here by running a search from 2006 to 2008, when Inzamam didnt even play in 2008, and Sachin happened to average more in that time.
Nice try buddy
zMario added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...
Secondly you are yet to explain to me, why Sachin has not received a man of the match award in an Indian win for Ten years
Ten years is a mighty long time.
By the way, this photo goes with that performance.
Now heres another story.
Asian Test Championship, Dravid bowled by Akhtar.
In comes Tendulkar. The crowd goes BESERK at Eden Gardens.
In comes Akhtar. GONE, YORKED. Another FANTASTIC Under-Pressure innings by Sachin Tendulkar.
Crowd is stunned. Tendulkar walks back, since he could not handle the pressure. India were under pressure because of all the hype around him because of Akhtar. And Akhtar blasted his middle stump out.
A video is available on youtube.
A second story. First test between India and Pakistan in 1999, taking place in Chennai.
Pakistan struggle along to 240 odd in the first innings.
India make 260 in reply.
In the second innings Afridi scores 141 and the rest of the Pakistani batsmen play around him. Pakistan 290 (?) all out, India require 271 to win.
The chase begins badly, with Ramesh and Laxman out, India 6-2.
Dravid and the rest fall, with Sachin surviving a few LBW shouts and caught behinds.
Sachin survives to 218-6.
Sachin starts playing Saqlain nicely, and is about to take India home.
Till Sachin chokes. He decides to hit Saqlain over everyone's head. He's caught easily at mid-off.
He could have easily taken India home, had he played sensibly, and nudged the ones and twos and all.
But no, I have to hit a big shot, I'm Sachin Tendulkar.
India lost the test match and the series by 12 runs.
What a game of test match cricket. And what could have been, for India, had Sachin not choked.
zMario added 3 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...
Once again, if you were to ask this panel again, Sachin would not be there.
And you know that. Why else would you dig back to 2006?
I have not deceived anybody with my usage of Statsguru. I clearly stated what I was searching for. You were trying to deceive everyone here by running a search from 2006 to 2008, when Inzamam didnt even play in 2008, and Sachin happened to average more in that time.
Nice try buddy
zMario added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...
Secondly you are yet to explain to me, why Sachin has not received a man of the match award in an Indian win for Ten years
Ten years is a mighty long time.
vaibhav mehta
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Yawning....
Sachin - 53 and Inzi 13...
Go on..
Sachin - 53 and Inzi 13...
Go on..
Insomniac
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Vaiby - according to a recent poll on Cricinfo, Harsha Bhogle is the most unbiased commentator and the best commentator. Now we know thats not true. He won due to the number of Indians that voted.
Point is, the poll is being won because many voted without looking at the facts. When presented with the facts, MadMan changed his opinion
Point is, the poll is being won because many voted without looking at the facts. When presented with the facts, MadMan changed his opinion
lightbulb
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LOOK AT THE STATS! I accept your point that Sachin crumbles slightly under pressure but when he isn't, he does very well which is why he has an average of 54.23. Inzamam should have been under less pressure when he had such a good bowling attack yet he's ended up with an average of 49.60. Both players have probably encountered Australia and other stronger teams an equal amount of times (Sachin a few more though), and the poll speaks for itself-Inzi is only voted for by Pakistan supporters but Tendulkar issupported byeveryone else, not just Indians. Please, just stop bringing out lies like 'David Gower prefers Inzi,' when he always says he'd rather have Sachin. Andplease accept that you're wrong and stop being such a sorry loser.
Insomniac
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The stats show Inzamam's average is higher in matches his team has won than Sachin's in matches he has won
Why would Inzamam be under less pressure when he started his innings effectively with the score at 0/2.
Lightbulb, are you blind? Have you not seen everything we have written? All the reasons.
Please read what we have said, then talk to us. You are just coming into this thread giving your less than half cent without even reading why we feel Inzamam is better than Tendulkar.
When did Sachin face such a situation where he needed 4 runs off the last ball and he choked?
By the way, Welcome to the Pakistani group here who are fighting an already lost battle.
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Only that this time, he cant take this team through to the winning post, in this pressure situation
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Whats your fixation with MOM awards? Do you think they are given to the right people always?
saisrini80 added 4 Minutes and 42 Seconds later...
I will, and so will the many of the Indians and NON-INDIANS here...
Quoting one or two instances like that is so easy. Sachin has made up for that with many other match winning knocks (not the ones where you want him to carry his bat through till the team wins). We dont really look for that from them, and nor does the majority in the world do. We want him to play a part in the team getting into a position to win the match. If he plays his part, thats enough.
Insomniac
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When did Sachin face such a situation where he needed 4 runs off the last ball and he choked?
By the way, Welcome to the Pakistani group here who are fighting an already lost battle.
saisrini80 added 2 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...
Only that this time, he cant take this team through to the winning post, in this pressure situation
saisrini80 added 3 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...
Whats your fixation with MOM awards? Do you think they are given to the right people always?
Read my posts - Sachin needed only 12 and had to nudge the ball around. He decided to try to hit a six, and got out.
Besides, if that situation was to occur, Sachin would crumble and get out, and you know it.
Most Man of the Match awards are given to the correct person.
Very rare in the test arena are they given to somebody else.
But tell me, TEN years since a man of the match award?
And only 2 in the test arena... and he's a legend.
Ah, right, very sorry. I didn't know there were more differences between English in UK and US.
Sorry
Nice try at having been humorous. But here's your favorite line
"YOU SHOT URSELF ON YOUR OWN FOOT"
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Vaiby - according to a recent poll on Cricinfo, Harsha Bhogle is the most unbiased commentator and the best commentator. Now we know thats not true. He won due to the number of Indians that voted.
Point is, the poll is being won because many voted without looking at the facts. When presented with the facts, MadMan changed his opinion
Madman didnt change his opinion of "Tendulkar > Inzamam".
Insomniac
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No, he actually attempted to understand what we were saying and when he said I'm going to delete my posts, I felt that he knows what we're talking about and understands it. (The fact that Sachin crumbles under pressure)Nice try at having been humorous. But here's your favorite line
"YOU SHOT URSELF ON YOUR OWN FOOT"
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Madman didnt change his opinion of "Tendulkar > Inzamam".
We can wait for Madman to clarify that
Nice of you to avoid my question as to why Sachin Tendulkar is yet to get a man of the match award since 1998, and since 1989, has only received 2 man of the matches.
Its quite funny, isn't it. Legendary? Seems like a rumor now.
No, he actually attempted to understand what we were saying and when he said I'm going to delete my posts, I felt that he knows what we're talking about and understands it. (The fact that Sachin crumbles under pressure)
We can wait for Madman to clarify that
Nice of you to avoid my question as to why Sachin Tendulkar is yet to get a man of the match award since 1998, and since 1989, has only received 2 man of the matches.
Its quite funny, isn't it. Legendary? Seems like a rumor now.
I cant keep posting the same reply again and again. I have clarified my opinion on the MOM thing which is not the true predictor of who is better.
Insomniac
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It is decently accurate.
You feel its not a true predicitor because it just so happens Sachin has not received one since 1998.
Ten years. Inexcusable.
Absolutely inexcusable.
Another SPLENDID performance under pressure by Sachin Tendulkar
By the way, this photo goes with that performance.
Now heres another story.
Asian Test Championship, Dravid bowled by Akhtar.
In comes Tendulkar. The crowd goes BESERK at Eden Gardens.
In comes Akhtar. GONE, YORKED. Another FANTASTIC Under-Pressure innings by Sachin Tendulkar.
Crowd is stunned. Tendulkar walks back, since he could not handle the pressure. India were under pressure because of all the hype around him because of Akhtar. And Akhtar blasted his middle stump out.
A video is available on youtube.
A second story. First test between India and Pakistan in 1999, taking place in Chennai.
Pakistan struggle along to 240 odd in the first innings.
India make 260 in reply.
In the second innings Afridi scores 141 and the rest of the Pakistani batsmen play around him. Pakistan 290 (?) all out, India require 271 to win.
The chase begins badly, with Ramesh and Laxman out, India 6-2.
Dravid and the rest fall, with Sachin surviving a few LBW shouts and caught behinds.
Sachin survives to 218-6.
Sachin starts playing Saqlain nicely, and is about to take India home.
Till Sachin chokes. He decides to hit Saqlain over everyone's head. He's caught easily at mid-off.
He could have easily taken India home, had he played sensibly, and nudged the ones and twos and all.
But no, I have to hit a big shot, I'm Sachin Tendulkar.
India lost the test match and the series by 12 runs.
What a game of test match cricket. And what could have been, for India, had Sachin not choked.
zMario added 3 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...
Once again, if you were to ask this panel again, Sachin would not be there.
And you know that. Why else would you dig back to 2006?
I have not deceived anybody with my usage of Statsguru. I clearly stated what I was searching for. You were trying to deceive everyone here by running a search from 2006 to 2008, when Inzamam didnt even play in 2008, and Sachin happened to average more in that time.
Nice try buddy
zMario added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...
Secondly you are yet to explain to me, why Sachin has not received a man of the match award in an Indian win for Ten years
Ten years is a mighty long time.
Let's please follow the point of discussion logically.
1.) The panel of Experts (John Wright, Ian Chappell-a noted antiSachin critic, Sanjay Manjrekar, and Ravi Shastri-someone who I might add, you falsely said supports Inzi over Sachin) met in 2006 to judge the hollistic performance of the modern batsmen. They all concurred that the top three include Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, and Sachin Tendulkar. Now Inzi was not considered. If Inzi is as good as you claim him to be why was he not on this list?
2.) Now you make a point that since 2006 Tendulkar's Test Average has precluded him to be a choker. While I agree, this was the nadir of his career, he still out performed Inzi in terms of the batting average.
I would also like to add, 1 and a 1/2 years should not make much of a difference to what is decided as 'legend' status. I repeat again, if Inzi was as good as you say he is, why was he not in the list in 2006? I will quote you directly to proove a point:
zMario said:
So if this panel was done in 2006, when Inzi's last year (06-07) would have brought down his average, why was he not considered as the top three? If anything your argument disprooves your point, because if Inzi is as good as you say he is he should have been in the top three/four in 2006
3.) Now you have had to go to specific examples to say that Inzi is a better pressure absorber, and though in specific circumstances Inzi may come out better. As a hollistic examination of a batsmen carrer, Tendulkar is the clear winner, and I can refute any point you make with the panel decision in 2006.
4.) I will concede all the points, if you can point out a newer (after 2006) panel that has claimed Inzamam as higher. If you cannot do so, then do not presuppose what they might consider.
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vaibhav mehta
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Another SPLENDID performance under pressure by Sachin Tendulkar
By the way, this photo goes with that performance.
Damn,Sachin lacks of Nandrolone there.
Ok Let me End the discussion here.
I am going very logical,
1) Sachin carries pressure of 100 Crores people behind him where Inzi doesn't even half of them.
2) Failure from Sachin costs him more than Inzi's failure.(In terms of expectation)
For Example Sachin eveytimes carries the pressure of 53 peoples from PC where in comparision Inzi carries evn 20 percent of it.
there was a long period between 1997 and 2000 where whole Indian team depended on Sachin's batting.Only Sachin's batting was hope for India to win.
Same time Inzi got support from Great fast bowling(though don't know they did dope test or not).
Why despite of all your stats all the non indian's voted for Sachin?
Because Sachin is a far more better personality.After the hell of sucess He is still so calm and Kind.It doesn't make difference in your point but it certainly makes difference to the people who vote.
If you write more 10 pages with stats then also Sachin would get more votes whatever the reason.If it is because there are more Indians in Forum then in the whole World you will find same conditions and so Sachin will lead anywhere you set up the same poll(Except Pakistan).
I am not asking you to stop your arguments neither I can but I am just telling you that after wasting so much anergy If you still can't reverse the poll then and It is not worth.Still your Choice,go on..
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