Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

[Insomniac]

This Guy gives Stats and long post Sachin is Far better Than Inzamam

Mario there are some facts that you can never change...

for me

Possibly English isn't a convenient way for you to speak yet, but I am assuming you are saying that for YOU Sachin is better than Inzamam because Sachin can't take India to victory because he's a choker?

And you know its true - Sachin cannot take India to victory as many times as Inzamam did.

 

[SaiSrini]

Nice job there, I have to agree. However, neither the Wisden nor the interview claims Inzy is better then Tendulkar, in terms of pure test batsmenship (as the first interview shows) Tendulkar is rated higher. As a team player, and a pressure absorber, Inzy is rated higher.

As a batsman, Tendulkar > Inzamam and thats what the argument is all about. zMario might have Inzamam in his team in pressure situations, but go and ask the teams in the world, atleast 90% or more of them will want Sachin Tendulkar in their side more than Inzamam (in fact, more than many other players, NOT ALL OTHER!).

 

[Insomniac]

Since zMario thinks that Inzamam-Ul-Haq was a better cricketer then Sachin Tendulkar, I decided to put it up to a poll.

Go ahead and vote.

Wrong.

This was the first post of the thread, but due to manee's bad moderating skills, my post ended up on top.

The topic is CRICKETER. not BATSMAN.

This is where Inzamam comes up on top :happy

 

[SaiSrini]

Possibly English isn't a convenient way for you to speak yet, but I am assuming you are saying that for YOU Sachin is better than Inzamam because Sachin can't take India to victory because he's a choker?

Yes, we value Sachin more than Inzamam because of that. What next?

Sachin > Inzamam. Thats it. And the poll says it. There are more non-Indians on Sachin's side than Inzamam (who has only one or two from the spillovers who just hate Sachin because he'z too good).

 

[Chetan0304]

Inzamam has retired so it's waste to compare . Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar Of Mumbai India was, is , & will be a great and legendary batsmen forever ...For Sehwag as he says Sachin is a Model for him.is you have seen the U/19 WC Many (Majority)Players Said Favorite/ model batmen Sachin tendulkar..

It's not Stats which always makes a player great.But Inzi bhai was a legend in his own way the way he use too time the ball was great..

 

[Insomniac]

Yes, we value Sachin more than Inzamam because of that. What next?

Sachin > Inzamam. Thats it. And the poll says it. There are more non-Indians on Sachin's side than Inzamam (who has only one or two from the spillovers who just hate Sachin because he'z too good).

Tell me saisrini, has Sachin taken India to a victory as many times as Inzamam?

Sachin is nowhere near Inzamam in that aspect.

Polls also said Harsha Bhogle is the most unbiased commentator. Is that true? Nope.

Did you even read my post about Sachin giving a batsman out above? Seriously, that is not how a professional cricketer of any sort acts.

And please don't get me started on his cheating.

 

[Skater]

Tell me saisrini, has Sachin taken India to a victory as many times as Inzamam?.

 

[SaiSrini]

Wrong.

This was the first post of the thread, but due to manee's bad moderating skills, my post ended up on top.

The topic is CRICKETER. not BATSMAN.

This is where Inzamam comes up on top :happy

Idiot! If you go by 'cricketer', then ODI cricket is included (which you say cant be counted since you know you cant fight on that).

Sachin is a better fielder, cant compare on bowling as Inzamam has rarely bowled in intl. cricket, Sachin is a better person on the field (sportsmanship, controversies, etc), cant compare them on running between wickets AS INZAMAM IS THE PROBABLY THE WORLD'S WORST RUNNER, etc.

Where does Inzamam win here on the cricketer count?

saisrini80 added 3 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Tell me saisrini, has Sachin taken India to a victory as many times as Inzamam?

Sachin is nowhere near Inzamam in that aspect.

Polls also said Harsha Bhogle is the most unbiased commentator. Is that true? Nope.

Did you even read my post about Sachin giving a batsman out above? Seriously, that is not how a professional cricketer of any sort acts.

And please don't get me started on his cheating.

I have never heard Harsha that much, so I am not getting into that.

We have discussed this many times. Inzamam doesnt face as much pressure as Tendulkar faces (Tendulkar faces pressure even in situations where on cricketing terms, its easy). Inzamam might have taken Pakistan to victory more times than Tendulkar, but that DOESNT MAKE HIM A BETTER CRICKETER THAN SACHIN RAMESH TENDULKAR.....

On his cheating, go ahead and ask people who follow cricket and who have followed Tendulkar to say that he cheated a lot in his cricketing life. See what they say! We dont care what one person (IE. YOU!) feels abt his cheating. We go by what the majority think.

 

[khan31]

Imagine if both players swapped teams. How would they perform in different teams? I know we can't say for sure but I reckon Sachin would struggle for Pakistan regularly as his proneness to "choking" would be a huge hinderance to his performance. Pakistanis usually put themselves into poor positions only for a hero to save them!

Inzi however, wouldn't perform much different then he would playing for Pakistan. Therefore, I believe both players were extremely good batsmen. Sachin was allowed more freedom due to slightly better team members batting wise, whereas Inzi had little support from his peers. Even if Inzi did come in not under any pressure, he wouldn't bat FAR better than when under pressure.

Therefore, we can safely say Inzi was a superior pressure player and Sachin a better batsmen when both were'nt under any pressure. Then comes the argument that Inzi didn't have to face the kings of reverse swing, Wasim and Waqar!

 

[Insomniac]

Imagine if both players swapped teams. How would they perform in different teams? I know we can't say for sure but I reckon Sachin would struggle for Pakistan regularly as his proneness to "choking" would be a huge hinderance to his performance. Pakistanis usually put themselves into poor positions only for a hero to save them!

Inzi however, wouldn't perform much different then he would playing for Pakistan. Therefore, I believe both players were extremely good batsmen. Sachin was allowed more freedom due to slightly better team members batting wise, whereas Inzi had little support from his peers. Even if Inzi did come in not under any pressure, he wouldn't bat FAR better than when under pressure.

Therefore, we can safely say Inzi was a superior pressure player and Sachin a better batsmen when both were'nt under any pressure. Then comes the argument that Inzi didn't have to face the kings of reverse swing, Wasim and Waqar!

He'd face them in the nets

Besides, Tendulkar wouldn't have to face Anil Kumble in a game..

or Javagal Srinath.

 

[SaiSrini]

Imagine if both players swapped teams. How would they perform in different teams? I know we can't say for sure but I reckon Sachin would struggle for Pakistan regularly as his proneness to "choking" would be a huge hinderance to his performance. Pakistanis usually put themselves into poor positions only for a hero to save them!

Inzi however, wouldn't perform much different then he would playing for Pakistan. Therefore, I believe both players were extremely good batsmen. Sachin was allowed more freedom due to slightly better team members batting wise, whereas Inzi had little support from his peers. Even if Inzi did come in not under any pressure, he wouldn't bat FAR better than when under pressure.

Therefore, we can safely say Inzi was a superior pressure player and Sachin a better batsmen when both were'nt under any pressure. Then comes the argument that Inzi didn't have to face the kings of reverse swing, Wasim and Waqar!

You guys seem to be too heavy on your heads about Pakistan cricket. As if Wasim and Waqar were the only best bowlers in international cricket.

No batsman in Pakistan history has had to face the kind of pressure that Sachin faced from the fans, the crowd and the audience alike. Had he played for Pakistan, his career record would have been much better (the 'took his team to victory' would also have been far better).

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...

He'd face them in the nets

Besides, Tendulkar wouldn't have to face Anil Kumble in a game..

or Javagal Srinath.

Oh, you seem to be increasing the value of Srinath and Kumble just to show that Sachin benefitted from not facing them.

 

[khan31]

He'd face them in the nets

Besides, Tendulkar wouldn't have to face Anil Kumble in a game..

or Javagal Srinath.

Nets don't compare to real match situations! Just like in practice, almost all snooker players can make 147s, however it is very different out there in front of crowds of people. India's bowling attack was never really feared now was it? I'm trying my best not to be biased unlike most of you Indians/Pakis!

 

[King Pietersen]

Lets look at the straight facts:
Tendulkar has a better average
14 more Test hundreds in only 44 extra games
32 more ODi hundreds in only 19 extra games
A better ODi strike rate
A better ODi average
3000 more Test Runs in the extra 44 games
close to 5000 more ODi runs in the 19 extra games
He also has better domestic records in the countries respective competitions

Tendulkar is not only a better player to watch (for me) but the stats speak for themselves. I'd have Tendulkar every day of the week.

 

[khan31]

You guys seem to be too heavy on your heads about Pakistan cricket. As if Wasim and Waqar were the only best bowlers in international cricket.

No batsman in Pakistan history has had to face the kind of pressure that Sachin faced from the fans, the crowd and the audience alike. Had he played for Pakistan, his career record would have been much better (the 'took his team to victory' would also have been far better).

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...



Oh, you seem to be increasing the value of Srinath and Kumble just to show that Sachin benefitted from not facing them.

I didn't say that they were THE best. Just saying that they were the two best swingers and certainly Wasim was one of the best international bowlers, STANDARD. I'm tryying to say that Inzi benefitted slightly from not facing that pair. Why do you have twist everything I say to make it sound like the crap you speak?

Its funny when an Indian trys to tell others they have their heads too far up their own arses...

 

[Insomniac]

Idiot! If you go by 'cricketer', then ODI cricket is included (which you say cant be counted since you know you cant fight on that).

Sachin is a better fielder, cant compare on bowling as Inzamam has rarely bowled in intl. cricket, Sachin is a better person on the field (sportsmanship, controversies, etc), cant compare them on running between wickets AS INZAMAM IS THE PROBABLY THE WORLD'S WORST RUNNER, etc.

Where does Inzamam win here on the cricketer count?

You're an idiot, you know that? Look below a few posts, where manee said this discussion is for test cricket only. What do you mean Sachin is a better person on the field? He tries to fool people that he edged a ball when he didn't, or vice versa. Is that sportsmanship spirit? Are you serious? Show me where Sachin shows sportsmanship spirit? Did you see the youtube video?

Is that sportsmanship? You've just shot yourself in the foot talking about sportsmanship.

saisrini80 added 3 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...



I have never heard Harsha that much, so I am not getting into that.

We have discussed this many times. Inzamam doesnt face as much pressure as Tendulkar faces (Tendulkar faces pressure even in situations where on cricketing terms, its easy). Inzamam might have taken Pakistan to victory more times than Tendulkar, but that DOESNT MAKE HIM A BETTER CRICKETER THAN SACHIN RAMESH TENDULKAR.....

Sachin FALTERS when his team needs him, Inzamam takes his team to victory more often, while Sachin just plays for himself. Thus, Inzamam is the better cricketer. The job of a cricketer is to help his team win, not to choke when his team needs him

On his cheating, go ahead and ask people who follow cricket and who have followed Tendulkar to say that he cheated a lot in his cricketing life. See what they say! We dont care what one person (IE. YOU!) feels abt his cheating. We go by what the majority think.

Well, most of them are Indians, so I already know their response. And its not one person, there have been quite a few of us who realize Sachin is a choker, and Sachin can never be the player Inzamam was

Replies in bold.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

You guys seem to be too heavy on your heads about Pakistan cricket. As if Wasim and Waqar were the only best bowlers in international cricket.

Stop getting so worked up, wow. Typical.

No batsman in Pakistan history has had to face the kind of pressure that Sachin faced from the fans, the crowd and the audience alike. Had he played for Pakistan, his career record would have been much better (the 'took his team to victory' would also have been far better).

So we're going to use the size of India and the number of people there as pressure? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. What bull.

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...



Oh, you seem to be increasing the value of Srinath and Kumble just to show that Sachin benefitted from not facing them.

Kumble has the 4th highest wickets in Test Cricket and has lead his team to many victories throughout his career, so yes, he is quite valuable

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zMario added 0 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

Lets look at the straight facts:
Tendulkar has a better average
14 more Test hundreds in only 44 extra games
32 more ODi hundreds in only 19 extra games
A better ODi strike rate
A better ODi average
3000 more Test Runs in the extra 44 games
close to 5000 more ODi runs in the 19 extra games
He also has better domestic records in the countries respective competitions

Tendulkar is not only a better player to watch (for me) but the stats speak for themselves. I'd have Tendulkar every day of the week.

ODI averages don't count in this thread.

Regarding Tendulkar's 100s, how often do they come in a game when India wins?