The greatest ever Test innings under pressure of the modern era

[Slowcoach]

Brian Lara's 153* v Australia at Bridgetown, Barbados, 3rd Test, 1999.

I've never heard such emotion during a cricket match, the crowd, the commentators, and most of all the normally silent Curtly Ambrose shouting "Bring it on home Brian!" as they edged towards victory.

 

[metallics2006]

Also, please show us what Gilly has done, other than Hobart? Great keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Kamran and Laxman have.

Also, please show us what Akmal has done, other than that 39-6 test match? Mediocre keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Gilchrist and Laxman have.

 

[King Pietersen]

Also, please show us what Gilly has done, other than Hobart? Great keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Kamran and Laxman have.

My good you're deluded. You're telling me that you think that Kamran Akmal is a better keeper-batsman than Adam Gilchrist because of 2 innings. Your posts in the Inzamam-Tendulkar thread, where you bullshitted on about pressure innings, because that was the only thing that Inzamam had on Tendulkar, were bad enough, but this takes the biscuit.

Adam Gilchrist:
96 tests, 5570 runs at 47.60. With 17 hundreds.

Kamran Akmal:
38 Tests, 1944 runs at 31.86 with 5 hundreds.

Gilchrist in Aussie Tests won:
4332 runs at 54.83 with 14 hundreds.

Akmal in Pakistan Tests won:
776 runs at 45.64 with 2 hundreds.

Gilchrist in Drawn Australia Tests:


Gilchrist Strike Rate:
81.95

Akmal's Strike Rate:
60.84

Adam Gilchrist has achieved far, far, far, far, far more in Test and ODi cricket than Kamran Akmal could ever hope for. Adam Gilchrist has achieved far more than the 1 hobart innings that you remember, and the 14 Hundreds in Australia wins proves this.

 

[metallics2006]

And he also does'nt claim dropped catches, Gilly.

 

[nightprowler10]

How the hell did a discussion about certain innings end up being a comparison between Gilly and Akmal? zMario never seems to have suggested that Akmal is better than Gilly, all he's asked is that you cite examples of such a batting performance apart from Hobart where Gilly rescued the team the way Akmal did. Ben says Gilly has done it several times, we're just asking him to name a few.

 

[metallics2006]

Yeah, okay, listen dude. Akmal played that Mohali innings and Gilly played the Hobart innings. Now that makes them 1-1 and then zMario asked what are the other innings he has played. What is the point of that question?

 

[sohum]

Also, please show us what Akmal has done, other than that 39-6 test match? Mediocre keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Gilchrist and Laxman have.

Have you not been following the topic of the thread? This thread is about greatest Test innings, not greatest Test batsman. zMario and others has already shown what Akmal has done to get on this list.

sohummisra added 1 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

Yeah, okay, listen dude. Akmal played that Mohali innings and Gilly played the Hobart innings. Now that makes them 1-1 and then zMario asked what are the other innings he has played. What is the point of that question?

Akmal has two innings under this belt, if you had been reading the thread. The point of the question is because someone brought up that Gilly is far better at handling pressure than Akmal, but with only 1 inning to his credit, either whoever made that claim is foolish or is busy researching the relevant stats.

 

[metallics2006]

But the thing is we have a lot of people in this forum who are from different countries who have a different perspective of what pressure is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by metallics2006
Also, please show us what Akmal has done, other than that 39-6 test match? Mediocre keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Gilchrist and Laxman have.

Have you not been following the topic of the thread? This thread is about greatest Test innings, not greatest Test batsman. zMario and others has already shown what Akmal has done to get on this list.

Okay dude, HAVE YOU not been following what i quoted? If what i wrote in post 107 is wrong, check the quote that I have put there. I have only changed 4 words from it. So, I basically just edited what zMario wrote some posts back. So if you are trying to correct some point make sure you know what happened before that. So, with all due respect, YOU, Sir, are the one who has obviously not read the whole thread.

 

[Insomniac]

King Pietersen, please learn to read my posts before you attempt to make me look like a fool.

If you even bothered to read my post, you would have noted that Gilchrist has never played an innings like Kamran Akmal has. I NEVER said that Kamran is better than Gilchrist.

You call my posts bull? Yours just takes the cake.

And Metallics, you should be able to remember Kamran's finest innings. How about Mohali, 05? Pressure knock, huge pressure knock.

How about the recent tour of India, 2007? Another pressure knock.

Once again King Pietersen, since you like to skip through my posts, Gilchrist is a better batsman, but Kamran has played the better pressure inning.

Oh and King Pietersen. I suggest you brush up on your English and your usage of "you're and your" Its quite disgraceful and makes for difficult reading of your posts to those whose first language is not English.

 

[SciD]

Any innings against India dont desreve praises in Test cricket.

 

[deerkick]

Any innings against India dont desreve praises in Test cricket.

LOL

I would rate Pietersen's and Smith's pretty high followed the Sehwag innings in Perth.

 

[Mr.Cricket]

Also, please show us what Gilly has done, other than Hobart? Great keeper-batsman, but he definitely has not achieved what Kamran and Laxman have.

Mate Gilly has got us out of trouble plenty of times in his career. How many times would he walk out when the score is 5/100 and smash quickfire ton to get us pass 300 in couple of sessions. I guess because he was so dominant and made batting look ridiculously easy its normal for people to forget just how much pressure he was under.

I will give you couple of examples just from memory if you want. There was the game against Bangladesh when they scored 450 and we were in all sorts at 6/100 , Gilly scored 150 to get us close to 300 and we ONLY won by 3 wickets. Sure its only against Bangladesh but when he walked out to bat it was very possible for us to bundle out quickly and lose a test match to Bangladesh. Imagine the uproar if that had happened , thats pressure.

There was another game against Sri Lanka 3/4 years ago. We were bowled out for 100 and they scored 220 odd. And in the second innings we were again 2/20 staring at another low score when Gilly came at #3 for injured Ponting and took us to 3/220 with a blistering 150. We ended up winning by 20 runs.

Sure they are bit different to Akmals 6/39 or Laxman/Dravid batting for 10 days when they were million runs behind. But its crazy to say that Hobart match was the only time Gilly performed under extreme pressure. And btw Gilly got more talent in his little finger than Kamran Akmal (sorry couldnt help it).

Back on the topic , If I had to pick 1 I would agree with 'slowcoach' and go with that 150 from Lara vs Aussies

 

[King Pietersen]

King Pietersen, please learn to read my posts before you attempt to make me look like a fool.

If you even bothered to read my post, you would have noted that Gilchrist has never played an innings like Kamran Akmal has. I NEVER said that Kamran is better than Gilchrist.

Once again King Pietersen, since you like to skip through my posts, Gilchrist is a better batsman, but Kamran has played the better pressure inning.


Your words were "Gilly's not achieved anywhere near what Kamran or Laxman have". I read that and took from that, that you believed that Kamran Akmal had achieved more in his career than Gilly, not that he'd played 1 innings better than Gilly had ever played.

I still believe you're wrong on that point. Gilly's played some monumental innings, that had different pressures to that of Kamran's innings. I don't honestly believe that there is more pressure coming in at 39/6 than opening the batting in a World Cup final. Gilchrist was under massive pressure coming into that World Cup final, he'd not had a great tournament, and this was his last chance to prove his world class ability on the top stage, and he hit a brilliant 149. I'm sure if you asked Pro's, 100% would feel more pressure opening in a WC Final than coming in with the match already as good as lost.

Oh and King Pietersen. I suggest you brush up on your English and your usage of "you're and your" Its quite disgraceful and makes for difficult reading of your posts to those whose first language is not English.

As for this comment, I made 1 mistake in that post. I put "you're" instead of "your", ONCE. There's no need to start getting all pedantic, just because I've decided to take you on in a discussion. Was the mistake really worth pointing out ?

Your post in bold.

 

[Insomniac]

Your words were "Gilly's not achieved anywhere near what Kamran or Laxman have". I read that and took from that, that you believed that Kamran Akmal had achieved more in his career than Gilly, not that he'd played 1 innings better than Gilly had ever played.

Well, possibly I could have been clearer, but I thought it was self-explanatory, as the thread titie is innings, and we have been talking about innings the entire time. Therefore, Gilly has not played an innings like Kamran ever.

I still believe you're wrong on that point. Gilly's played some monumental innings, that had different pressures to that of Kamran's innings. I don't honestly believe that there is more pressure coming in at 39/6 than opening the batting in a World Cup final. Gilchrist was under massive pressure coming into that World Cup final, he'd not had a great tournament, and this was his last chance to prove his world class ability on the top stage, and he hit a brilliant 149. I'm sure if you asked Pro's, 100% would feel more pressure opening in a WC Final than coming in with the match already as good as lost.

Guess what KP? This is a test cricket thread

And that point has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. To open in a WC Final has its pressures, but if he has been able to handle this type of pressure (as I think he can), he hasn't shown it. He has handled pressure, but not the type of trailing by 300 runs or 39/6.

 

[angryangy]

Biases aside, I'm not sure the considerations that have been made are entirely quantifiable. How do you define whether a career saving score is more or less pressure than saving the team from a humiliating total? A bigger hole surely means more pressure, but doesn't a bigger innings mean more greatness? How can you weight it?