The Reintegration Thread

[barmyarmy]

Barmy that article is outstanding. It's a genuine pity it's "only" here and won't be more widely read.

Thank you
I just got a bit frustrated and it all poured out :P

well i have tried tweeting it to morgan and KP

If I get retweeted by Piers Morgan you're in serious trouble...

 

[PokerAce]

Not that this was in doubt, but a confirmation is still a confirmation.

Alec Stewart: I told ECB that three England players had access to Twitter account mocking Kevin Pietersen - Telegraph

 

[War]

Yep and given's Stewart's standing in the English game, that's another serious backing KP has got. ECB give up

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Yep exactly right, been saying it for years. This is why Bresnan/Tremlett kept playing even when he was past his best instead of Finn. Why Compton was stupidly dropped & why when the team got to # 1 according to the faulty ranking system (they never actually were better than S Africa as the 2012 loss showed) they were generally viewed as a boring side.

to be fair the bowling attack of picking a containing seamer brought a lot of success. it was only when swann's injuries weakened his ability to both bowl long containing spells effectively and to bowl more of his variations that that system started to fail due to a lack of potency.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

But clearly they weren't developing any alternative plans with their other assets, or if they were they did such an awful job of it that the second string guys were barely worth a slot in the team when they finally got the chance.

It's like they started with a plan and tried to cram their available players into it rather than looking at their players and coming up with a plan. That's the essence of shitty, ego driven management.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

oh yes definitely, i wasn't particularly defending the management, i think because of the success that system brought they thought they had a magic formula of sorts and invested far too heavily into it. a false positive feedback loop, i guess.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Well presumably they started to think that Flower's formulas were more important than the players, and that's when the wheels came off.

Flower's plan suggested they could get by with no Captain and without their best batsman as long as they still had Andy Flower.

 

[War]

Alec Stewart speakin on BBC 5 live sports now about his comments![DOUBLEPOST=1412799193][/DOUBLEPOST]"I am not here to nail the players. I want them to be fully aware of that but why I am prepared to speak openly about it now ..."after it has all been done behind closed doors in 2012 is what Richard Bailey said is doubting my word, integrity and I'll not have that.”

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Stewart has always come across as a solid guy to me.

I'm really enjoying seeing the ECB slipping up in their own mess, though. What a bunch of conniving, gutless shits.

 

[blockerdave]

Let's be honest any organisation in which the odious Giles Clarke has a major input is gonna be dishonest, incompetent and generally shit.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Is anyone else reminded of the end of Gower's career?

That wasn't on the same sort of scale but Gooch's dour temperament and one size fits all team ethos probably shaved a few tests off Gower's career, and achieved absolutely nothing at all in terms of results or team building.

It might have shaved some time off Botham's career as well but by that stage he was done anyway, apart from the occasional flourish. A blazing 161 out of 288 in a first class game for Worcestershire vs a West Indies attack featuring Patterson and Walsh saw him recalled in 1991, and there was one final solo matchwinning effort against Aus in the 92 WC.

And actually, I think he was second in the wickets in the 92 WC to Wasim. And his strike rate / average were nearly as good as Wasim's and his economy was better. But that just makes no sense because Wasim was at his peak and Botham was literally bowling slow medium pies with a hint of swing.

 

[ChinamanSpin]

Fantastic article @barmyarmy, one of the best about KP I've seen. Some of the media's attempts to paint the laughable "dossier" as absolute proof, whilst ignoring the former players (Tremlett, Shazhad, Carberry), in their battle to make Pietersen out to be the only villain has been shocking.

Odd that some portions of the media can't accept that KP has a lot of many good points in the book, even if he may not have the best of personalities (from what I've heard from people who didn't have to wait till Thursday to get the book). The bowlers shouting never looked right to me, and that KP genius thing seems much worse than "Textgate", if he isn't telling porkies.

 

[barmyarmy]

I listened to the hour long Chiles interview and he is very vague on textgate. He did though say that it was initiated by the South Africans noticing that Strauss was being very rude and blanking him in public, which I suppose could be described as small mitigation. I suspect that will always be the rope he gets hung with though.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

At the time the angle that caught my attention was the alleged instruction to bowl around the wicket at Strauss. But at this stage the main thing that sticks out is the pettiness of a regime that wants to police KP's phone use for signs of rebellion, sure they already have their man and eagerly awaiting the merest sniff of a suitable crime.

 

[War]

I listened to the hour long Chiles interview and he is very vague on textgate. He did though say that it was initiated by the South Africans noticing that Strauss was being very rude and blanking him in public, which I suppose could be described as small mitigation. I suspect that will always be the rope he gets hung with though.

Ye bold is key. So where the ENG players got info that he sent them "tactical info" about Strauss etc is ridiculous. As he said himself in the interview, seemed like another orchestrated plot by the ECB to use against him.