The Reintegration Thread

[grkrama]

one thing i would like to side with gough is about KP getting some FC runs under his belt, right now the pressure would have been insurmountable on ECB if that was the case.


nice interview overall

 

[T.J.Hooker]

When is the next ECB election, if ECB even has those things? If the majority of the England cricket stakeholders rise up chairman Giles Clarke against him because of this KP issue and vote him out, then maybe KP can come back.

Clarke may be powerful now that he joined the BCCI to take over world cricket, but I don't think he has a dictatorial control over ECB like Srinivasam has over BCCI/ICC.

My picks are Kevin Keegan for chairman, David Moyes for manager. Willie Thorne batting coach.

 

[grkrama]

Kevin Pietersen's autobiography: ECB must take some blame for this sorry saga - Telegraph

Geoff Boycott has come out strongly

 

[abhi_jacko]

Pietersen claims 'sad' - Anderson

Anderson added that he would have preferred the issues to "stay in house". Intriguingly, he also seemed to suggest that Pietersen had not made his problems with team-mates clear and that his sacking by the ECB had denied him the chance to defend himself.

"This is not an ideal situation but it's different with Kev," Anderson said. "He never got a chance to stand up for himself in the dressing room because the opportunity to be in the dressing room was taken away from him by the powers that be. He is now venting his frustration through a book."

 

[blockerdave]

Have we discussed Ed Smith's article in this thread yet?

His description of an early encounter with Pietersen is revealing. KP was describing having his kit thrown off the balcony, but framed by comparing it to someone throwing Smith's laptop off a balcony, with a doubtless accidental but nevertheless unmistakable impression that he thought Smith more of a writer than a batsman.

KP probably drops bricks like that into conversations wherever he goes. Sort of like a cricketing Duke of Edinburgh.

yes i posted it here i think. was the best article i read until @barmyarmy 's.

but the quote that really stood out to me in that article was the greg blewett one.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Yeah that's a pretty amazing endorsement.

It's difficult to place batsmen in any sort of hierarchy of "true ability" beyond the stats, but I do wonder how many more runs KP might have scored if he'd been more motivated by big scores than swashbuckling adventure.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Yeah that's a pretty amazing endorsement.

It's difficult to place batsmen in any sort of hierarchy of "true ability" beyond the stats, but I do wonder how many more runs KP might have scored if he'd been more motivated by big scores than swashbuckling adventure.

I don't think he was motivated too much by the traditional cricket stats.

I imagine he'd happily trade runs off his average for motm awards/more match winning knocks.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Which is one of the reasons he's such a fantastic player.

I've seen people claiming on basis of stats that KP is only really a marginally better player than Trott or Bell, but that completely ignores the fact that the job KP was trying to do was fundamentally much more difficult than just trying to get as many runs as possible. That he could bat with his chosen approach and still exceed the other guys on average is a huge indicator of how much more raw talent he's got.

 

[blockerdave]

think this article has been posted before, it's worth a read of itself It doesn’t take a genius… | England Cricket Blog - The Full Toss but i'm suggesting you go through the comments and particularly the comment by clivejw of 8.45pm October 9, about what the "reintegration" actually meant:

KP had to fly from the Champions League in Dubai to an Oxfordshire Hotel, while every member of the squad whether there was any beef between them and KP or not, had to come into the room where KP, Flower, and a "moderator" sat and KP had to apologise to them, and they could complain about anything he'd ever done and he had to apologise to them for that too.

If that is true, it redounds to the shame of every member of the squad, now and evermore. how dare they participate in something like that? what the actual f*** were they thinking? I'm no longer an England fan. I hope they lose every series every one of those players is involved in. absolute *****rs.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Yeah that's unbelievable, from start to finish. Unbelievably conniving if they scheduled the meeting to be inconvenient deliberately to try and dissuade him from attending.

Whether or not I'd codemn all the players who attended who depend on what they knew about it, how much pressure was on them to attend and whether they stuck the knife in.

Clearly there's a general failure of the core players to resist petty bullshit from the management.

 

[grkrama]

i read swann was coming there while expecting a baby...so that should show the amount of pressure on the players, swann did say that to KP for dragging him there forwhich KP was like " u sad fellow if it was me i wouldn't be here" im sure AF wouldnt have appreciated that too.

 

[grkrama]

It's difficult to place batsmen in any sort of hierarchy of "true ability" beyond the stats, but I do wonder how many more runs KP might have scored if he'd been more motivated by big scores than swashbuckling adventure.

purely on raw talent i would place him up there with lara srt at their best but he choose the swashbuckling role like sehwag so we never saw him mature as a batsman with age like others did, not a bad thing for cricket.

 

[War]

KP is unique among ENG batsmen for his attacking style & flair - only Compton, Hammond, Dexter, Botham can compare. Most ENG great batsmen are either technically correct accumulators of runs i.e Hutton, Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Gooch, Gower, Barrington, May, Thorpe etc.

Fact is for all ENG players who debut since 1990, KP is the only player who be a guaranteed place in an England all-time test XI:

Hobbs, Hutton, Dexter, Hammond, Compton, KP, Botham, Knott, Larwood, Trueman, Wardle.

 

[War]

think this article has been posted before, it's worth a read of itself It doesn’t take a genius… | England Cricket Blog - The Full Toss but i'm suggesting you go through the comments and particularly the comment by clivejw of 8.45pm October 9, about what the "reintegration" actually meant:

KP had to fly from the Champions League in Dubai to an Oxfordshire Hotel, while every member of the squad whether there was any beef between them and KP or not, had to come into the room where KP, Flower, and a "moderator" sat and KP had to apologise to them, and they could complain about anything he'd ever done and he had to apologise to them for that too.

If that is true, it redounds to the shame of every member of the squad, now and evermore. how dare they participate in something like that? what the actual f*** were they thinking? I'm no longer an England fan. I hope they lose every series every one of those players is involved in. absolute *****rs.

Amen my friend, I'll take in incompetence of our football association every day over the ECB crooks. As i said before, only hope is if people in ENG cricket established outside the ECB headquarters rise up against them over the KP issue and vote them out when next their is an election.

Edit: According this article, next election for ECB chairman should by March 2015, soon enough then - Giles Clarke | ECB Chairman | Profile

 

[T.J.Hooker]

KP is unique among ENG batsmen for his attacking style & flair - only Compton, Hammond, Dexter, Botham can compare.

Frank Woolley has to count. Gilbert Jessop probably should, as the great attacking player of his era.