This is it - Ashes Cricket (Beta Feedback)

[Nathaus]

I'm not a a batting expert by any means.
But to me, it seems that the new version is more realistic?
In dbc 14 your player seems to teleport to the right in order to play that pull shot.

In real life, I don't think you would be able to play a pull shot when the line of the ball is so wide, compared to where the batsman is standing?

Also, it looks like the bowling machine is bowling cutters, which in turn is affecting the line of the ball even more. Making it even further from the batsman.

I'm probably wrong, as I only ever played Cricket when I was little (and never very well)

Thanks, saved me from typing the same thing... DBC 14 batsman slides in to position based on the shot. Ashes you need to play a shot relative to the position of the batsman. Yes some may play a pull from that line (Ponting maybe) but it's quite rare, especially in the long form of the game. Have you tried standing on off stump and playing the shot instead??

 

[chaman82]

Thanks, saved me from typing the same thing... DBC 14 batsman slides in to position based on the shot. Ashes you need to play a shot relative to the position of the batsman. Yes some may play a pull from that line (Ponting maybe) but it's quite rare, especially in the long form of the game. Have you tried standing on off stump and playing the shot instead??

Good point . The cutters are unreal thats a seperate matter

I checked again . To seam up delivery. And some outswingers
(setting 10 in pace swing ) from middle.. finishing on 6th stump
Chek below video.

Standing on off stump to get me better results. In pro cam can't see the guard exactly where it is.

Overall I think a little increase in reach outside of stump will help

 

[Nathaus]

Good point . The cutters are unreal thats a seperate matter

I checked again . To seam up delivery. And some outswingers
(setting 10 in pace swing ) from middle.. finishing on 6th stump
Chek below video.

Are you using classic control or standard? I remember in DBC 17 you could use the footwork to get in to a better position to play the shot.

Admittedly I haven't played Ashes Cricket yet, I would simply recommend not playing this shot to a ball outside off, or change your batting line to be on off/4th stump line. this opens you up to being bowled on leg stump of course, but you can't have all the reward and no risk.

I prefer the batsman to play from his position rather than sliding in to place to play the perfect shot. How else do you hope to get edges and play/misses if the batsman is always sliding n to the correct line for each ball? I'd rather edges and play and misses than a pull shot from outside off which doesn't happen all that often in real cricket.

 

[chaman82]

Are you using classic control or standard? I remember in DBC 17 you could use the footwork to get in to a better position to play the shot.

Admittedly I haven't played Ashes Cricket yet, I would simply recommend not playing this shot to a ball outside off, or change your batting line to be on off/4th stump line. this opens you up to being bowled on leg stump of course, but you can't have all the reward and no risk.

I prefer the batsman to play from his position rather than sliding in to place to play the perfect shot. How else do you hope to get edges and play/misses if the batsman is always sliding n to the correct line for each ball? I'd rather edges and play and misses than a pull shot from outside off which doesn't happen all that often in real cricket.

Classic control .

Pull shot form 6th to 7th stump is a common shot for modern day batsman specially in shorter formats. And in longer also when they get set.

 

[Nathaus]

Classic control .

Pull shot form 6th to 7th stump is a common shot for modern day batsman specially in shorter formats. And in longer also when they get set.

Think you've hit the nail on the head though. You are not standing in 6th or 7th stump when attempting a pull shot. To have the game 'move' you in to position, at the expense of edges and plays and misses would be a massive backwards step.

 

[Jerm]

Think you've hit the nail on the head though. You are not standing in 6th or 7th stump when attempting a pull shot. To have the game 'move' you in to position, at the expense of edges and plays and misses would be a massive backwards step.

We have also found that in Ashes you can move quite late and still play a decent shot, DBC17 u had to move early or your shot was never executed.

 

[chaman82]

Think you've hit the nail on the head though. You are not standing in 6th or 7th stump when attempting a pull shot. To have the game 'move' you in to position, at the expense of edges and plays and misses would be a massive backwards step.

Ur not played the game and going on and on about it..play the game then we can have a proper discussion.

They "star" player who has been mocaped
Steve Smith

Playes pull form outside off consistently and so.........

 

[Pat]

Think you've hit the nail on the head though. You are not standing in 6th or 7th stump when attempting a pull shot. To have the game 'move' you in to position, at the expense of edges and plays and misses would be a massive backwards step.

To be fair to him, it is not uncommon to see shots being pulled from outside off stump even while the batsman has not moved from his original position. Instead of magically transforming the batsman to 6th/7th stump line like in DBC 14, I think it would be a good idea to let the shot connect but have a pretty high risk factor of a top edge or leading edge when attempting to play that!

 

[Nathaus]

Ur not played the game and going on and on about it..play the game then we can have a proper discussion.

They "star" player who has been mocaped
Steve Smith

Playes pull form outside off consistently and so.........

To be fair to him, it is not uncommon to see shots being pulled from outside off stump even while the batsman has not moved from his original position. Instead of magically transforming the batsman to 6th/7th stump line like in DBC 14, I think it would be a good idea to let the shot connect but have a pretty high risk factor of a top edge or leading edge when attempting to play that!

Yes yes I'm not saying the shot doesn't happen, mainly in 50 and 20 overs though or batsmen that are in especially good touch. I'm saying, I'd rather leave it as it, than teleport the batsman to the correct position for the shot... This is the kind of obsessive shite that results in a game breaking change to appease one or two people.

IF they can change it with zero impact to every other aspect then so be it, but don't post it in every thread. Post it once and move on.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Yes some may play a pull from that line (Ponting maybe) but it's quite rare

Not really true. Any quality puller of the ball can mash long hops from outside off stump through midwicket, no problem.

In the following vid from 2.35 you can see a decent but hardly test level batsman easily pulling quickish deliveries from 7th / 8th stump line. Note that he doesn't have to slide across to the offside to do it. You can play the shot with minimal back foot movement as long as it doesn't get above shoulder height on the off side, and as long as you take the ball early enough. Just below shoulder height is ideal.

It's a straightforward shot if you can bat a bit.

 

[Jerm]

Not really true. Any quality puller of the ball can mash long hops from outside off stump through midwicket, no problem.

In the following vid from 2.35 you can see a decent but hardly test level batsman easily pulling quickish deliveries from 7th / 8th stump line. Note that he doesn't have to slide across to the offside to do it. You can play the shot with minimal back foot movement as long as it doesn't get above shoulder height on the off side, and as long as you take the ball early enough. Just below shoulder height is ideal.

It's a straightforward shot if you can bat a bit.

The key there is below shoulder height!

 

[chaman82]

At last we're having a good discussion about it. Woohoo

 

[bl8000]

I wish there was replay in Training.

Just sat here trying pulls off short bouncers for 238 balls.

The main issue I see from trying that same shot over and over is the shot is in the game but it appears that the game has like 13 animations for other types of shot fails or leaves and then the back foot pull animation. Only if the conditions are dead on perfect and you hit the button press timing window perfectly does it seem to summon the pull.

I hit a few and the animation looked gorgeous, but they were either hammered for 6 or flighted for 4, there was really no other result.

The rest of the time the batter came too far across or drifted back leaving the stumps wide open or just picked up his bat and tucked in weirdly. The failure rate was so high I would never attempt this shot in a match.

So this may simply be

too many possible animations tied to one type of swing input which is blocking the pull from being registered correctly
too limited of results from the pull shot itself

 

[cricket_online]

Think you've hit the nail on the head though. You are not standing in 6th or 7th stump when attempting a pull shot. To have the game 'move' you in to position, at the expense of edges and plays and misses would be a massive backwards step.

Not really true. Any quality puller of the ball can mash long hops from outside off stump through midwicket, no problem.

In the following vid from 2.35 you can see a decent but hardly test level batsman easily pulling quickish deliveries from 7th / 8th stump line. Note that he doesn't have to slide across to the offside to do it. You can play the shot with minimal back foot movement as long as it doesn't get above shoulder height on the off side, and as long as you take the ball early enough. Just below shoulder height is ideal.

It's a straightforward shot if you can bat a bit.

Am away on a trip but couldn't resist contributing my 2 cents to the discussion given batting is my passion (used to be a batsman - though an average one - in my playing days). On the whole there are following main factors which determine how successful you are while pulling a shortish delivery...

1. Pace - The foremost factor is pace, i.e. whether you get enough time to judge line & length and react. The faster the bowler the more difficult to pull the delivery, especially once the bowler hits 140kph or higher. That's why you can pull a spinner or a medium pacer even if the delivery is on 7th stump as batsman gets enough time to go back & across and pull it away. But as the pace increases the margin decreases and realistically a batsman can't pull a bowler if the delivery is wider than the 5th stump line, unless the batsman pre-meditates or the bowler telegraphs a short one.

2. Line - It's easier to pull if the delivery is on the stumps or just wide of stumps, say 4th stump line. As mentioned in the previous point the pace of the delivery is inversely proportional to how wide of the off stump you can pull the delivery from. For a slow delivery (say spinner) you can pull it from 7th stump line whereas for an express one, pulling from 5th stump line is a tough ask.

3. Bounce - The lower the bounce easier it is to control the pull. Generally it gets tougher once the ball bounces higher than the chest level and anything over the eye level is downright risky.

4. Length - It's easier to pull a delivery the shorter it is since you get more time to see the ball after pitching and adjust to it accordingly. The fuller the delivery more difficult to pull it and that's why you see batsmen top edge deliveries which are just short of good length or on good length.

But there is no hard & fast rule such as "batsman can only pull if delivery is pitched on stumps" or "deliveries can only be pulled on back foot". That's why you see batsmen successfully pulling deliveries on front foot which are wide of off stump and at the same time also see many batsmen fail despite pulling deliveries on the stumps while on back foot.

 

[chaman82]

Am away on a trip but couldn't resist contributing my 2 cents to the discussion given batting is my passion (used to be a batsman - though an average one - in my playing days). On the whole there are three main factors which determine how successful you are while pulling a shortish delivery...

1. Pace - The foremost factor is pace, i.e. whether you get enough time to judge line & length and react. The faster the bowler the more difficult to pull the delivery, especially once the bowler hits 140kph or higher. That's why you can pull a spinner or a medium pacer even if the delivery is on 7th stump as batsman gets enough time to go back & across and pull it away. But as the pace increases the margin decreases and realistically a batsman can't pull a bowler if the delivery is wider than the 5th stump line, unless the batsman pre-meditates or the bowler telegraphs a short one.

2. Line - It's easier to pull if the delivery is on the stumps or just wide of stumps, say 4th stump line. As mentioned in the previous point the pace of the delivery is inversely proportional to how wide of the off stump you can pull the delivery from. For a slow delivery (say spinner) you can pull it from 7th stump line whereas for an express one, pulling from 5th stump line is a tough ask.

3. Bounce - The lower the bounce easier it is to control the pull. Generally it gets tougher once the ball bounces higher than the chest level and anything over the eye level is downright risky.

4. Length - It's easier to pull a delivery the shorter it is since you get more time to see the ball after pitching and adjust to it accordingly. The fuller the delivery more difficult to pull it and that's why you see batsmen top edge deliveries which are just short of good length or on good length.

But there is no hard & fast rule such as "batsman can only pull if delivery is pitched on stumps" or "deliveries can only be pulled on back foot". That's why you see batsmen successfully pulling deliveries on front foot which are wide of off stump and at the same time also see many batsmen fail despite pulling deliveries on the stumps while on back foot.

Well explained.[DOUBLEPOST=1511456348][/DOUBLEPOST]To the beta testers,

With 100 in seam attribute..
It cuts way to much even on Batting pristine pitch..

Again , Dbc 14 had a nice balance in this
Thoughts?