WC2007: Super 8

As for Vaughan, I completely agree with irottev. Vaughan hit a hot streak of 12 tests where he scored 1500 runs against 3 quality teams. Before that hot streak, he had a test average of 31 in 16 tests. After that period he has averaged 37 in 36 tests, which is also what he averages for Yorkshire. He didn't fall apart, he just played outside himself for a few months and was fortunate enough to be able to bank an international career on it.
 
irottev said:
Flemings our highest run scorer in the tournament I think. He was last I looked anyway. he's just scored a few 40's and a hundred and he makes 1 mistake and already people are on his back. Jeez. lol. I think he's in great form. He played a shot and unfortonatly got caught. Happens to all batsmen. So how is Fleming struggling? lol (don't take this bad, i'm just confused by your statements)

There is a gulf between Fleming and Vaughan. Fleming is 20 times the ODI player Vaughan is. Sure Fleming is low on Hundreds, but at least he actually has hundreds. Usually he misses out because unlike some players, he doesn't take singles for it near the end. He will go after the ball and get caught out. He's a team player 100%. Fleming can hit the middle very early and plays some beautiful shots. He's good althrough, not just when he 'gets going'

All this "When Vaughan gets going" nonsence. Well he isn't getting going. It's been years since he's made a decent score. He's had games against minnows and against top sides. Hasn't suceeded in any.

I hope I didn't upset anyone by this. You should all be able to see though that Vaughan isn't contributing with the bat. Not many of the English batsmen are. Pieterson and Bell are carrying England by themselves.

I Entirely agree, Vaughan's domestic one day average is about 28 so how can we say he is due a score or has the potential to do it? If he can't do ti against lesser county bowlers why can he at International level? In fact why was he ever picked for the one day team?

Incidentally I don't understand the criticism of Kallis' batting. Sure he is a little slow most of the time and that will cost South Africa the odd game but you need an anchor in your team. And anyway he averages frickin' 45 in ODIs! I noticed that the other day, uch to my surprise.
 
Well I can't see Vaughan being dropped due to his captaincy, this current management set up (and selectors) wouldn't have the balls to pass on the ODI captaincy to someone else, Strauss impressed me when he was captain, at an outside shot why not someone like Bell or Nixon?
 
Sureshot said:
Strauss impressed me when he was captain

He impressed me as well, remember in that Ashes match Flintoff went off feild and Strauss was put in charge? Then we saw good field placings appear for a bit lol
 
Criticism of Kallis after the loss against Australia was much too heavy. If you make 30 off 40 balls, you can accelerate in less than one over. What you can't do is stop your partner bugging out at the other end. Ponting and Clarke carefully constructed their partnership; they didn't race away at six an over from the outset like Gibbs tried to. They started slow and ramped up well beyond six an over. Strong partnerships won the game for Australia, too many weak partnerships left South Africa in disarray.
 
He's smacking the bowling now. Lara has screwed the powerplay up. 41 overs and still 5 powerplay overs left. 320 is possible here.
 

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