Ireland Team Discussion

[themusketeer]

Seems the effect of Bhaang.

 

[Karachi]

Well the Irish go home. But even in the loss their point is well made; not only they deserve to play next World Cup, but all World Cups to come. They deserve a full membership with test status. After all; they emerged as the No.1 European side in tournament. May be the ECB predicted the eventual Irish rise in cricket & decided to cut them off.

 

[Yash.]

A question arised in my mind.

We have seen this same main batting order (the 6 batsmen) from the Irish from almost 2009. Is there no other talent in the Irish teams to replace Gary Wilson? He is shit. Or is there any other reason? What will happen once Porterfield, Joyce, Stirling and the O’Briens retire?

 

[CerealKiller]

A question arised in my mind.

We have seen this same main batting order (the 6 batsmen) from the Irish from almost 2009. Is there no other talent in the Irish teams to replace Gary Wilson? He is shit. Or is there any other reason? What will happen once Porterfield, Joyce, Stirling and the O’Briens retire?

@Aislabie

 

[Aislabie]

A question arised in my mind.

We have seen this same main batting order (the 6 batsmen) from the Irish from almost 2009. Is there no other talent in the Ireland?

There is definitely talent available, though for whatever reason the selectors and now successive coaches have preferred to stick with players who don't perform as often as we might like. The talent available includes:

John Anderson - He's reliable, but he's 35 years old. Might be able to get a few Test matches out of him before we say goodbye, but again he's sadly not the future of Irish batting.
Andy Balbirnie - He made his maiden ODI hundred the other day, but it took him 39 ODIs to do it. Abysmal first-class stats are similarly flattered by a single great innings, an unbeaten 205. Not really good enough.
Ed Joyce - Ireland's finest batsman, and he has been since he returned from the England fold. That said, he's nearly 40 and his hips aren't holding up very well any more. He will retire once he has played in Ireland's first couple of Tests.
Nick Larkin - A Sheffield Shield hundred would suggest a certain level of ability that we're lacking. He played a couple of games for Ireland, but the selectors' disinterest seems to have pushed him away and back to Australia. His last four Futures League innings are: 210, 212, 189 and 129*.
James McCollum - He impressed people at Durham MCCU, then got himself noticed with an unbeaten hundred against Leinster in the Interpros. He doesn't look like being a white-ball option though.
Steven Mullaney - He need only say the word, and he can come and play for us. He's Irish qualified, and comes with the added bonus of being very versatile and able to play different roles depending what's needed. Probably values being employed by Notts though, which is fair enough.
Kevin O'Brien - The World Cup hero seven years ago, and he's been riding on that ever since. Although he is very destructive on his day, his day doesn't happen especially often - he has only made more than 75 once since.
Niall O'Brien - One hundred in 94 ODIs, almost exclusively batting in the top four. He's not good enough to fulfil this role, but because he's a good keeper he retains it. Also, he's 36 years old.
Will Porterfield - He's been captain for a decade now, and it's long since been time for him to hand over the reins to someone else. He has 10 ODI centuries, but also has been dismissed 36 times in single figures, mostly since 2015. He's fatigued.
Stuart Poynter - He's the Durham keeper, but plays for us as a specialist batsman because his glovework is shit. Sadly, 30 internationals and a top score of 39 would tend to suggest that his batting is also shit.
David Rankin - Perhaps the saddest indictment of Irish batting stocks is that David Rankin has some full international caps opening the batting. Really, we have to do better than that, and I mean him no disrespect.
James Shannon - Spent quite a while batting at eight and not bowling for Ireland in his early 20s. Since then, he's gone away and got himself a first-class batting average of 48.71, as well as being electric in the field.
Simi Singh - He earned his place in the side the old-fashioned way: by being the stand-out player in Interpro cricket and forcing his way in through weight of runs. Has struggled a little in green, but hit a promising 45 today in Dubai.
Paul Stirling - A bit of a one-trick pony, but it's a very good trick. Or at least it was - his hundred against Afghanistan last month was his first since 2013. I would still persist with him though because he makes runs against good bowling.
Jack Tector - Hasn't made that big score yet, but proved himself to be very consistent in his maiden Interpro season last year. As he's still only 21, we should look to start giving him game time.
Sean Terry - Has a suspected case of Vinceitis (lots of very pretty 30s) but is one of the most talented players available to the selectors. I think he's worth investing in, especially as he's still quite young.
Greg Thompson - Played years ago as a specialist leggie, but made a comeback in 2016 as a middle-order batsman. Scored an impressive 44 against Hong Kong, but stats suggest this to be the exception not the rule.
Lorcan Tucker - Billed as an "exciting" and "innovative" batsman, which presumably means he can play a ramp shot but not a forward defensive. He's meant to the next big thing, but I've never seen him get runs for anyone.
Gary Wilson - Had about two good months of county form three years ago. Averaged sixteen at a strike rate of 60 with one fifty-plus score across the whole of 2016 and 2017, as well as just being a generally obnoxious human being. Begone.

 

[Yash.]

Simi Singh has been really good. Andy Balbirnie has been average. I for once, have never seen an Irish match in which I didnt see KOB and WP play.

I have no problem with anyone in the Irish lineup except Wilson. That guy is totally useless in my opinion. He was the keeper earlier, but now usually Niall keeps so no use. Then he doesnt bat well at all. They really should sack him.[DOUBLEPOST=1516298157][/DOUBLEPOST]@Aislabie What about the spinners in Ireland. Any good except Mulder and Dockrell?

 

[Aislabie]

@Aislabie What about the spinners in Ireland. Any good except Mulder and Dockrell?

Yaqoob Ali - He learned his cricket in Pakistan, but moved to Ireland some time ago to build a new life. Having done so, he also tears up in club cricket and is Irish qualified. Sadly though, the chances of a Bryce McGain debut are slim.
James Cameron-Dow - He spent years tearing up the Interpros as a non-first-class competition while splitting his time between Cape Town and Belfast. Sadly, he appears to have gone back to Cape Town, which is a crying shame for Irish spin stocks as he'd built up enough time for residency.
Scott Campbell - Once seen as promising enough to be picked in the Irish I-Cup squad, he now looks likely to follow the Greg Thompson career path of disappearing for years then re-emerging as a middle order batsman.
Varun Chopra - He's only seventeen years old, but he's already a veteran of two Under-19 World Cups (Bangladesh 2016 and New Zealand 2018). Not only will he be hoping to play in a third, but also to make the step up to Interpro cricket. Also has a brother.
George Dockrell - Ireland's most experienced spinner, though several years of county cricket have robbed him of his attacking turn and drift on all but the most helpful of surfaces. Has developed into something of an all-rounder though, and is probably still our best spinner.
Simon Kerrigan - Still remembered for a horrific Test debut, he could complete a remarkable redemption story by declaring for the country of his ancestry and creating himself a new Test career. Not sure if he'd want to jeopardise his county career though.
Gary Kidd - Made the Ireland side as a very young man, but had a chastening time of things. Went off and got himself a full-time non-cricket job, but since the prestige of the Interpros has increased, so has his involvement in the game. And he's bagged some decent numbers too.
Andy McBrine - Bowling-wise, he's basically Paul Stirling reincarnated. However, the Irish selectors have seen something they really like in him - Aussies would call it "mongrel" and he is being groomed as the next Ireland captain. Is already the North West Warriors captain.
Jacob Mulder - A really promising attacking leg-spinner, whose bowling you will already have seen. Appears to be a shoo-in now for the Twenty20 squad, although he has yet to fully stake his claim to a spot in longer formats. That really shouldn't be far away though.
Simi Singh - He shouldn't really be on this list - his bowling is similar to McBrine and Stirling but somehow even less aggressive. That said, he can provide some tight but non-threatening overs if he's been picked already as a batsman. But he shouldn't have to.
Paul Stirling - A perfectly tidy and reliable second spinner, he does a very specific job. One which involves him having an economy rate well under five in ODI cricket, but a strike rate of nearly 60. Did however take a surprise six-for with self-taught leg-spin against Afghanistan.
Harry Tector - His under-use in this U19 World Cup perhaps reflects how he sees his own bowling, but the stats show that he's an able wicket-taker, both for the Under-19s and Munster Reds. He is also a very promising batsman.

 

[C Boomer]

We're up against in Malahide Dublin, needs wkts quick, put England under pressure

 

[C Boomer]

Fantastic opening stand by West Indies pair, J Campbell & S Hope, new world record 365, pity though it was against us

https://www.cricketeurope.com/LIVE/CHANNELS/1/live.shtml

 

[ahmedleo414]

Ireland Men’s head coach Graham Ford to step down | Cricket Ireland

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www.cricketireland.ie

It's odd to see him step down especially since the next world cup is coming right up

 

[Viper.]

Yaqoob Ali - He learned his cricket in Pakistan, but moved to Ireland some time ago to build a new life. Having done so, he also tears up in club cricket and is Irish qualified. Sadly though, the chances of a Bryce McGain debut are slim.
James Cameron-Dow - He spent years tearing up the Interpros as a non-first-class competition while splitting his time between Cape Town and Belfast. Sadly, he appears to have gone back to Cape Town, which is a crying shame for Irish spin stocks as he'd built up enough time for residency.
Scott Campbell - Once seen as promising enough to be picked in the Irish I-Cup squad, he now looks likely to follow the Greg Thompson career path of disappearing for years then re-emerging as a middle order batsman.
Varun Chopra - He's only seventeen years old, but he's already a veteran of two Under-19 World Cups (Bangladesh 2016 and New Zealand 2018). Not only will he be hoping to play in a third, but also to make the step up to Interpro cricket. Also has a brother.
George Dockrell - Ireland's most experienced spinner, though several years of county cricket have robbed him of his attacking turn and drift on all but the most helpful of surfaces. Has developed into something of an all-rounder though, and is probably still our best spinner.
Simon Kerrigan - Still remembered for a horrific Test debut, he could complete a remarkable redemption story by declaring for the country of his ancestry and creating himself a new Test career. Not sure if he'd want to jeopardise his county career though.
Gary Kidd - Made the Ireland side as a very young man, but had a chastening time of things. Went off and got himself a full-time non-cricket job, but since the prestige of the Interpros has increased, so has his involvement in the game. And he's bagged some decent numbers too.
Andy McBrine - Bowling-wise, he's basically Paul Stirling reincarnated. However, the Irish selectors have seen something they really like in him - Aussies would call it "mongrel" and he is being groomed as the next Ireland captain. Is already the North West Warriors captain.
Jacob Mulder - A really promising attacking leg-spinner, whose bowling you will already have seen. Appears to be a shoo-in now for the Twenty20 squad, although he has yet to fully stake his claim to a spot in longer formats. That really shouldn't be far away though.
Simi Singh - He shouldn't really be on this list - his bowling is similar to McBrine and Stirling but somehow even less aggressive. That said, he can provide some tight but non-threatening overs if he's been picked already as a batsman. But he shouldn't have to.
Paul Stirling - A perfectly tidy and reliable second spinner, he does a very specific job. One which involves him having an economy rate well under five in ODI cricket, but a strike rate of nearly 60. Did however take a surprise six-for with self-taught leg-spin against Afghanistan.
Harry Tector - His under-use in this U19 World Cup perhaps reflects how he sees his own bowling, but the stats show that he's an able wicket-taker, both for the Under-19s and Munster Reds. He is also a very promising batsman.

Tector as a spinner first and then a batsman . Lol that's just wow. Seeing old posts and reflecting on current situation its very fascinating.

 

[Aislabie]

Tector as a spinner first and then a batsman . Lol that's just wow. Seeing old posts and reflecting on current situation its very fascinating.

I still think his off-spin is wildly underrated and underused, but Tector has definitely been a batter first ever since he finished his growth spurt in c. 2017

It is really interesting to see which of those players have and haven't kicked on

 

[Viper.]

I still think his off-spin is wildly underrated and underused, but Tector has definitely been a batter first ever since he finished his growth spurt in c. 2017

It is really interesting to see which of those players have and haven't kicked on

What happened to Jacob Mulder ?

Tector would bowl more I suppose if there weren’t dockrell, delany and campher all ahead as combined 5th bowler

 

[INETS]

What happened to Jacob Mulder ?

Tector would bowl more I suppose if there weren’t dockrell, delany and campher all ahead as combined 5th bowler

Mulder returned to back the Irish club cricket circuit few years after leaving the NT abruptly. Did also feature in few Inter-provincials last year.
But now their brightest leg spinning prospect is Gavin Hoey who also has promising batting abilities.

 

[INETS]

Balbirnie dropped from the T20I squad against South Africa. More likely hinting to invest in Ross Adair for the next T20 WC cycle.