2023 ICC Cricket World Cup (October/November) - India

Your 2023 Cricket World Cup Champions are?

  • Australia

    Votes: 6 33.3%
  • India

    Votes: 12 66.7%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
TLDR: the format stinks without major upsets.

I actually have fond memories of the 1992 World Cup but I probably didn't watch a single match. Too young, no SKY, on the in the middle of the night. Guessing there might have been highlights or bits on the news where I saw most of it. I do remember listening at school to the last few overs of the final during a break at school. I'm pretty sure I had a VHS review/highlights compilation so that, and the endless re-runs or mini documentaries about it (because it's the only one that England were good in until 2019), has burned it into my memory.

However, that tournament did have:
The kits
Australia and West Indies, probably the favourites, both having poor tournaments which meant you had a new winner and a feeling of greater competitiveness
Pakistan's somewhat lucky comeback from the brink to go on and win it
Zimbabwe beating England, albeit in a dead rubber
New Zealand being one of the best teams, perhaps unexpectedly
South Africa returning from the ban and showing themselves to be a very strong team
Controversial semi final
Fairly decent final

2019

The fact that England got themselves into a position where they had to win every match to qualify made it interesting (from a biased English perspective anyway) and the mother of all finals makes it seem like a far better tournament than it actually was.

This one

There's only India who I consider nailed on for the top four, then it'll be three from another five. I'd be amazed if it was any different. So, it immediately feels predictable.

Could end up with a situation in 7/8 days where four teams are basically out and still a month to go before the end of the league stage. While the tussle for the top spots could get interesting, we could still see teams fall off from that top six contenders (India, England, Australia, NZ, Pakistan, South Africa) with a couple of defeats. I actually saw someone, on your favourite subreddit, say something along the lines of "it could get interesting when the smaller teams can no longer qualify but are trying to stop the others from improving their NRR".

Frankly, I wasn't even bothered when England lost to New Zealand because I figure England should beat the four weakest sides and then at least pick up two wins against the other five which would probably be enough to finish top four. That being said, those six 'contenders' could feel the same, so that will make the final couple of rounds interesting. The tournament really needs Bangladesh and Sri Lanka to pick up wins against the stronger sides to mix things up. I can't see Afghanistan or Netherlands beating anyone other than Bangladesh or Sri Lanka - happy to be proven wrong though.
This format is always going to be like this
People generally forget that 2019 was almost exactly the same, but SL beat ENG which suddenly opened up the whole tournament. For what its worth I feel like we'll see the top 4 win less games than 2019 and the tournament will be even closer
 
Some very good pointers on the format. Agree with @wasteyouryouth partially. The 2019 one too, was as boring as this one and the 2007 edition. Bar the KO games which culminated in the Eng V NZ final, wherein a new country would be crowded for the 1st time, there wasn't anything exciting about the format.

2007 again seemed like a long drawn out league, marred by the absence of India, Pakistan and Bob Woolmer.

Hence, I feel the World Cups needs to have the KO games right after the leagues. Agreed some countries will get KO-ed, but the excitement that these games bring about is unparalleled. I'd definitely watch a game belonging to any country if the KO element was re-introduced.
I think 2007 was better simply because India and Pakistan got knocked out. That was exciting because it was unexpected. The problem was it had long drawn out part after it.

I do agree about knockouts though. It's why franchise leagues have long drawn out knockouts. They are exciting - although the double jeopardy nature of some franchise knockout is less exciting. I think the best World Cup formats have been those with Quarter Finals. Maybe we'll see them again one day.

This format is always going to be like this
People generally forget that 2019 was almost exactly the same, but SL beat ENG which suddenly opened up the whole tournament. For what its worth I feel like we'll see the top 4 win less games than 2019 and the tournament will be even closer
I think there are more competitive teams this time. Or at least, unlike 2019, a team like South Africa look like they'll remain more competitive. It needs something because so far it's just been predictable.

The format can work, the last women's world cup was superb (only 8 teams though) even though Australia dominated the league. But there were still upsets and surprises.
 
I think 2007 was better simply because India and Pakistan got knocked out. That was exciting because it was unexpected. The problem was it had long drawn out part after it.

I do agree about knockouts though. It's why franchise leagues have long drawn out knockouts. They are exciting - although the double jeopardy nature of some franchise knockout is less exciting. I think the best World Cup formats have been those with Quarter Finals. Maybe we'll see them again one day.


I think there are more competitive teams this time. Or at least, unlike 2019, a team like South Africa look like they'll remain more competitive. It needs something because so far it's just been predictable.

The format can work, the last women's world cup was superb (only 8 teams though) even though Australia dominated the league. But there were still upsets and surprises.

If it was eight teams with four qualifying for the semis then that should work with a single round robin. Women’s cricket also seems to be more prone to sudden collapses and momentum swings which makes it exciting I suppose.

2007 did have other issues too if I remember… there were some organisational problems (I may just be wrongly remembering here though), the timings weren’t particularly great and Australia just looked unstoppable. The Super Eight didn’t help either.

I think we need quarter-finals back as mentioned. Whilst India or England will beat Sri Lanka or Bangladesh eight to nine times out of ten, that one time of losing will always be an option in play during a knockout which should keep the pressure and excitement up.
 
If it was eight teams with four qualifying for the semis then that should work with a single round robin. Women’s cricket also seems to be more prone to sudden collapses and momentum swings which makes it exciting I suppose.

2007 did have other issues too if I remember… there were some organisational problems (I may just be wrongly remembering here though), the timings weren’t particularly great and Australia just looked unstoppable. The Super Eight didn’t help either.

I think we need quarter-finals back as mentioned. Whilst India or England will beat Sri Lanka or Bangladesh eight to nine times out of ten, that one time of losing will always be an option in play during a knockout which should keep the pressure and excitement up.
Yeah, I think 92 was originally eight teams but they shoved South Africa in too which probably helped the competitiveness.

Women's tournament was largely West Indies punching above their weight. It'd need to be a Bangladesh or Sri Lanka getting into the top four to be similar here. India, NZ and England all underperformed in the league stage.

Wash outs help sometimes, bizarrely. West Indies women and Pakistan in 92 got points they might have not got to help them through.

The last point is one problem with the format rewarding the best and most consistent teams. So, the idea of a team pulling off one big upset to qualify (Bangladesh beating England in 2015 springs to mind) is reduced. Bangladesh would probably need to pull off two or three upsets and beat Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Netherlands to qualify. So, individual matches feel less important in isolation. Could be because the percentage of overall points lost from one defeat is a lower than smaller groups with fewer fixtures.
 
I personally did not feel this world cup to be boring till now tbh. I have enjoyed the cricket played so far. The format is also good and if it was short, we would be the ones complaining if one of our favorite teams got knocked out due to one game.
 
I personally did not feel this world cup to be boring till now tbh. I have enjoyed the cricket played so far. The format is also good and if it was short, we would be the ones complaining if one of our favorite teams got knocked out due to one game.
I agree. Even with 16 teams, I would advocate for 2 groups of 8. One lucky day shouldn't be what gets a team in the knockouts
 
I agree. Even with 16 teams, I would advocate for 2 groups of 8. One lucky day shouldn't be what gets a team in the knockouts
The other side to this is that if a team dominates across 9 games, then going out in one knockout seems extra harsh

The Football WC style works because every game is basically a knockout, and the best team across the tournaments normally go all the way by default
 
I personally did not feel this world cup to be boring till now tbh. I have enjoyed the cricket played so far. The format is also good and if it was short, we would be the ones complaining if one of our favorite teams got knocked out due to one game.

I wouldn’t though, kinda used to it from football. Spain getting out in the group stages in 2014 and then losing to Russia in 2018 were memorable events.

Which games did you like personally? I feel like most of them have been rather one sided so far but that could change and I hope it does.
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I agree. Even with 16 teams, I would advocate for 2 groups of 8. One lucky day shouldn't be what gets a team in the knockouts

As I did say, eight would be just about fine. It’s ten that turns it into an overload.
 
Electricity gone in my locality and my mobile is also low on 19% battery.

fearsome tweak you Adani (Electricity supplier in Mumbai).
 
Let's throw my hat in there.
2003 WC was something I've enjoyed more than any other so far. Let's bring super six back. Lemme tell ya, no other format will save ODI WC.
 
Format battles will keep on raging. My personal favorites being 96,2011 and 2015. Also, note that with the advent of the World Championship in T20, a World Cup knock out doesn't hurt as much these days.

Let's see what happens in 2027 next!
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Guess the Ahmedabad crowd heard @icyman saying this isn’t a rivalry today and decided to prove him wrong…
I thought I heard them booing Babar at the toss though...
 

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