Academy release 0.0.69 - discussion

[bestfriendh]

Why not see if it's possible to either be able to customize which buttons, bumpers and triggers you wish to assign to play the shots and/or...

Have certain shots unavailable for certain players. So with the trigger combinations you can have a limited number of shots available and he type of player you are or the format you play can dictate the range of shots you play.

Adding to that you could learn the shots in career mode through drills/practice and as you build up your "shot library" you can choose which shots you want to include and assign those shots before each game, if you play all the different formats you may have 3 or even 4 different shot assignments.

I wish you posted 3 pages back!

 

[zwarrior]

So many discussions related to just one shot.

Just enjoy the new additions. Why so much hate for a new feature which is added by BA ? They have put immense work on it and the only thing which is visible right now is hatred towards it. For people who are telling that instead of Helicopter shot, some other features should have been added. True. Who knows ? BA might add it in the next academy version. Just post in the "Features you want to see in the next DBC game" instead of here. For now, let's just enjoy each additions in this version and appreciate the work behind it instead of criticizing that 'this mechanism shouldn't be added, that mechanism should have been added. This shot is poor and useless, that shot would have been more useful'.

Just enjoy what they have given right now instead of ranting about it.

PS: The reason why Dhoni swings his arm(the follow through after he smashes the ball) is because- since he puts immense power while hitting a yorker, he just can't ( and he shouldn't) control that power in mid air. So he swings his arms to release that power. For example, when players are taking quick singles, they will be running fast and they don't stop right away when they reach the crease. They will run for some more distance even after reaching the crease because they will be running fast and they can't stop right away. Helicopter shot is also similar to this. Dhoni swings his arms to release the power and not for adding glamour.

This post isn't intended to any particular individual. I just made a general comment.

 

[SibiNaayagam]

Why not see if it's possible to either be able to customize which buttons, bumpers and triggers you wish to assign to play the shots and/or...

Have certain shots unavailable for certain players. So with the trigger combinations you can have a limited number of shots available and he type of player you are or the format you play can dictate the range of shots you play.

Adding to that you could learn the shots in career mode through drills/practice and as you build up your "shot library" you can choose which shots you want to include and assign those shots before each game, if you play all the different formats you may have 3 or even 4 different shot assignments.

Yeah I had suggested that too earlier (below). Probably something to look forward to in the next edition or might be in DBC17 too, who knows.

· The following is the basic set of batsmen:

[Incase two traits are Overlapping the 95% is split like the following:- same level traits-47.5% each; single level difference-63.33% for higher level trait and 31.67% for the latter; double level difference-71.25% and 23.75%]

[In any overlapping case, the Wall shot preferences are neglected hence only balanced trait can overlap with one of pinch hitter or slogger or out of the box traits]

[And if out of the box trait overlaps with balanced then 60% shots are balanced and 40% are out of the box which is essentially all of them][But particular shot selection depends on line, length, skill and confidence for that shot]

o Wall- Shot preferences [95% shots]:

§ Defensive

§ Normal

§ Aggressive Normal

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o Balanced- Shot preferences [95% shots]:

§ Defensive

§ Normal

§ Aggressive Normal [75% in the V]

§ Lofted [75% in the V]

§ Sweep shot and lofted sweep, paddle sweep shots from unorthodox shots.

§ Advance shots [Unorthodox discounted excluding Sweep shot and lofted sweep shot] [75% in the V]​

o Pinch hitter- Shot preferences [95% shots]:

§ Aggressive Normal [75% in the V]

§ Lofted [75% in the V]

§ Sweep shot and lofted sweep, paddle sweep shots from unorthodox shots.

§ Advance shots [Defensive, Unorthodox shots discounted excluding Sweep shot and lofted sweep shot] [75% in the V]
​

o Slogger- Shot preferences [95% shots]:

§ Lofted

§ Sweep shot and lofted sweep, paddle sweep shots from unorthodox shots.

§ Advance shots [Unorthodox discounted excluding Sweep shot and lofted sweep shot]
​

o Out of the box- Shot preferences [40% shots]:

§ Unorthodox shots (Normal and Lofted) [Only Sweep and Slog Sweep are not counted]
​

o None of the above traits assigned- Shot preferences: Usually means he has a low batting rating so no need to bother.



· Each shot is learnt and mastered with each having its difficulty level: LEVEL UNLOCK IS DETERMINED BY SKILL LEVELS. At 50 Level 2 unlocks and at 75 Level 3 unlocks.


· LEVEL 1:

Front foot:

• Straight Block
• Mid-off Block
• Mid-on Block
• Straight drive
• Mid-off drive
• Mid-on drive
• Extra Cover Block
• Midwicket Block
• Extra Cover drive
• Midwicket drive
• Cover drive
• 3rd Man slice
• Square leg glance
• Fine leg glance
• Over Long off
• Over Cover
• Over Long on
• Over Midwicket
• Over Point/Backward Point
• Over Square leg

Back foot:

• Straight Block
• Mid-off Block
• Mid-on Block
• Extra Cover Block
• Midwicket Block
• Mid-off drive
• Mid-on drive
• Cover drive
• Extra Cover drive
• Midwicket drive
• Midwicket Pull
• Point/Backward Point cut
• 3rd Man slice
• Square leg glance
• Fine leg glance
• Square Leg Pull
• Fine Leg Pull
• Over Long off
• Over Long on
• Over Cover
• Over 3rd Man (Upper Cut)
• Over Square leg
• Hook over Fine leg
• Over Midwicket
• Over Point/Backward Point
• Heavy Pull Over Midwicket
• Heavy Pull Over Square Leg

· LEVEL 2:

Front foot:

• Yorker squeeze block
• Cover Push
• Point/Backward Point Push
• 3rd Man push
• Late Push
• Square leg glide
• Fine leg glide
• Late cut
• Straight over the bowler’s head
• Over 3rd Man
• Ramp
• Sweep
• Heavy Scoop
• Slog Sweep

Back foot:

• Yorker squeeze block
• Cover Push
• Point/Backward Point Push
• 3rd Man push
• Late Push
• Square leg glide
• Fine leg glide
• Straight drive
• Late cut
• McCullum Scoop
• Paddle Sweep
• Heavy Scoop
• Heavy Paddle Sweep

· LEVEL 3:

Front foot:

• Point/Backward Point square drive
• Yorker squeeze drive
• Over Extra Cover
• Over fine leg
• Yorker hammer shot
• Steve Smith touch and go
• Reverse Ramp
• Reverse Sweep
• Lofted Helicopter
• Heavy Reverse Scoop
• Slog Reverse Sweep

Back foot:

• Yorker squeeze drive
• Over fine leg
• Yorker hammer shot
• Steve Smith touch and go
• Reverse Scoop ABDe Style
• Reverse Paddle Sweep
• Heavy Helicopter
• Heavy Reverse Scoop
• Heavy Reverse Paddle Sweep

· All advance type shots are Level 3 except Advance straight, mid-on, mid-off blocks and drives and over extra cover, over midwicket shots which are level 2 while Advance straight over the head, over long on and over long off are level 1.

· The speed at which a shot is mastered depends on the batsman set type, derived playing style traits and purity (Batsman\Batting All-rounder\Bowling All-rounder\Bowler).

· The outcome of each shot depends on a wide variety of factors. Relevance\ Ability\ Equipment Confidence\ Fitness\ Weather\ Outfield in that order.

· Relevance is the correct foot placement and timing.

· Ability to play a shot is fixed before a match starts along with other attributes. Can be improved or lose touch only during non-match days.

· Equipment mostly refers to the bat used. The quality, seasoning, damage and sweet spot determines the outcome.

· Confidence is derived from form and current mind-set during match.

· Fitness is derived from pre-match and current situation during match. Biggest factor is stamina.

· Weather such as humidity, dew affect the way ball comes on to the bat and moves.

· Outfield can be fast or slow, small or long, even or steep depending on which the ball might travel.

· Running between the wickets-Understanding between the partners depends on the P-E-R which will be discussed later.

 

[Gamer Pradosh]

I have assigned leave to RAS and I feel right about the combo for leaving or padding..My question is till when is the RAS or R3 pressed turns to advance mode to leave button?

 

[grkrama]

Why not see if it's possible to either be able to customize which buttons, bumpers and triggers you wish to assign to play the shots and/or...

Im interested in checking out steam controller for this custom mapping of controls plus to see if touchpad instead of stick for RS give me edge in reaction time and accuracy, though of now i cant get hands on it in india!

 

[grkrama]

Also given our 'discussions' on helicopter shot, i guess quite a few people wouldn't want to play it or use it rarely! So it does leave a control to be rarely used!


So would it be beneficial to assign the control to something called "Signature Shot"

Different players have different signature shots, for KP its Switch hit or flamingo shot, for Dhoni helicopter, for ABD its lap scoop rather than traditional scoop, morgans ramp coop of pace , and it doent always have to be glamourous or a new invention for someone like ponting it would front foot pull and VVS laxman a leg flick from outside off Stump to midwicket area, for root and tendulkar it can be the back foot punch thru covers itself!
Lara's precision cover drives!

Mathew Hayden Walk Down the pitch and Slog!

Even boult has a flamingo defense

so for him that could be his signature as a batsman.

Right now though we have limited shot animation in academy and more will be added, they will always be generalised a bit to suit every player category!

This way by assigning signatures shots to a control and varying them by player we can have a lot of more cool shots in and have a more personalised touch in there for players!


From Game play perspective for skilled batsman these can be the shots the batsman play once they are in top form and confidence fills! So this way it wont be the easy go to shot, but more of a shot that indicate the batsman is in good nick and flowing and help accelerate the momentum when it is going their way!

I believe it will add some great individuality to gameplay, i mean it would be awesome to see hayden lazily walking down the pitch to smack you over long on while you bowl or glen maxwell fly swatting pull shots!

 

[SibiNaayagam]

When the game is not licensed, it means you need to custom add these signature shots to each player. But, you can't map all to a single control as each of them is serving a diff purpose and you would need to memorise each one's signature shot to pull the right one at the right moment.

 

[grkrama]

When the game is not licensed, it means you need to custom add these signature shots to each player.

I used names to give a picture of what im trying to convey!
An option in academy to assign signature shot to a player should accomplish that right?

Also the players dont own these shots even if we associate it with them!

Also on the whole it wouldnt be too much, a good 20 shots should cover it and often they would be variation of existing shots!

you would need to memorise each one's signature shot to pull the right one at the right moment.

A way to see the signature shot of the player when we click the r3 to skill of player should help with that!

you can't map all to a single control as each of them is serving a diff purpose

even the helicopter shot control isnt precise, shoudldnt it be mapped to midwicket or with normal slog going by that logic, its a signature shot hence got it control, like wise why not use the same control for all signature shots!

And yes it will be tough to pull of as a player and playing the hot at right, i guess thats how it should be right? most players would have had their signature shot played only very few times in a match mostly barring exceptions!

 

[SibiNaayagam]

An option in academy to assign signature shot to a player should accomplish that right?

Also the players dont own these shots even if we associate it with them!

Also on the whole it wouldnt be too much, a good 20 shots should cover it and often they would be variation of exiting shots!

even the helicopter shot control isnt precise, shoudldnt it be mapped to midwicket or with normal slog going by that logic, its a signature shot hence got it control, like wise why not use the same control for all signature shots!

And yes it will be tough to pull of as a player and playing the hot at right, i guess thats how it should be right? most players would have had their signature shot played only very few times in a match mostly barring exceptions!

Out of the thousands of players available to play with, you will have only 20 shots. So map that to 20 people and rest will have what?

Also, helicopter is where it should be. It's an unorthodox shot and thus mapped to the unorthodox button.

 

[grkrama]

Out of the thousands of players available to play with, you will have only 20 shots. So map that to 20 people and rest will have what?

CAKE!
when did you become this dumb ?


the number of shots is somewhere between 20-30 letss say, a signature shot like lap scoop will be shared by abd, maxwell, mcculum top of my head. ramp scoop by morgan , mariliers and a few more ....


flamingo is shared by quite a few players like kp, raina, even boult as i mentioned above so that would be quite a lot of players! root and sachin share the same BackFoot punch...switch hit by many players!


Also given that we would be assigning most to international stars the balance would feel right so that it has the wow factor when you get to play it or when you see it played against you and thus serve its signature purpose!

Also you would like one shot played by one person to hog a control but not 20 shots that can be assigned to atleast 100+ players to not be in game what is the logic there mate?

I want to see bradman's signature flick not him playing helicopter shot and not connecting!

why wouldnt we want these in game

What are some best player specified shots in cricket? - Quora

t's an unorthodox shot and thus mapped to the unorthodox button.

helicopter shot is played to midwicket and not straight down which is how current control is also i said not precise and not that it is totally out of place !

Also calling that button unorthodox isnt really apt in my opinion, sweep is not an unorthodox shot imo!

 

[SibiNaayagam]

CAKE!
when did you become this dumb ?


the number of shots is somewhere between 20-30 letss say, a signature shot like lap scoop will be shared by abd, maxwell, mcculum top of my head. ramp scoop by morgan , mariliers and a few more ....


flamingo is shared by quite a few players like kp, raina, even boult as i mentioned above so that would be quite a lot of players! root and sachin share the same BackFoot punch...switch hit by many players!


Also given that we would be assigning most to international stars the balance would feel right so that it has the wow factor when you get to play it or when you see it played against you and thus serve its signature purpose!

Also you would like one shot played by one person to hog a control but not 20 shots that can be assigned to atleast 100+ players to not be in game what is the logic there mate?

I want to see bradman's signature flick not him playing helicopter shot and not connecting!

why wouldnt we want these in game

What are some best player specified shots in cricket? - Quora

helicopter shot is played to midwicket and not straight down which is how current control is also i said not precise and not that it is totally out of place !

Also calling that button unorthodox isnt really apt in my opinion, sweep is not an unorthodox shot imo!

Yeah I wanna see all these too. My question was mapping them all to the unorthodox button. I wanna see Sachin's backfoot punch to covers when I pull the L stick back and push the R stick towards covers instead of hitting the unorthodox button.[DOUBLEPOST=1472717493][/DOUBLEPOST]

helicopter shot is played to midwicket and not straight down which is how current control is also i said not precise and not that it is totally out of place !

Also calling that button unorthodox isnt really apt in my opinion, sweep is not an unorthodox shot imo!

Sweep is played across the line to a good length ball. It's not very orthodox. But whatever, that is what that button is called in the game...so I referred it that way.

 

[grkrama]

I wanna see Sachin's backfoot punch to covers when I pull the L stick back and push the R stick towards covers instead of hitting the unorthodox button.

which is why i smartly rechristened that to signature shot control the thing is not all of sachin bf cover drive or ponting pull or laxman flicks play like their signature versions, they have many variation, which is why im suggesting assigning it to the "Signature SHOT control".
Having the normal BF cover drive play like sachin's would mean every body plays like sachin or root for that shot which would break the generalised feel the hot have now!

These are special shots that are a different variation of the normal shot played by mere mortals hence they get a different control!



you really want dhoni alone to hog the limelight? , Im a fan of his too but i think there is plenty of room for others and their shots!

 

[Gamer Pradosh]

which is why i smartly rechristened that to signature shot control the thing is not all of sachin bf cover drive or ponting pull or laxman flicks play like their signature versions, they have many variation, which is why im suggesting assigning it to the "Signature SHOT control".
Having the normal BF cover drive play like sachin's would mean every body plays like sachin or root for that shot which would break the generalised feel the hot have now!

These are special shots that are a different variation of the normal shot played by mere mortals hence they get a different control!



you really want dhoni alone to hog the limelight? , Im a fan of his too but i think there is plenty of room for others and their shots!

The question is people using that signature shot knowing the delivery length and the shot where it is meant to be played might get confusing when its done at press of a trigger..I am with for adding shot animations to the game but assigning to specific players is the thing thats not acceptable for me..

On the other side we already need more better shot animations standard shots like backfoot cover drive [Like Joe Root] plays even the point region shot he plays...

And even backfoot punch animations instead of the slog shots which is in the game...More realistic animations..And it would be great to include the mentioned signature shots to normal shots list as more we play more we fall in love with it..

 

[grkrama]

The question is people using that signature shot knowing the delivery length and the shot where it is meant to be played might get confusing when its done at press of a trigger..I am with for adding shot animations to the game but assigning to specific players is the thing thats not acceptable for me..

it will be assigned in academy by creators, its should be assigned to specific players cause mathew HAYDEN should walk down the ground intimidating a pace bowler not piyush chawla!

Of course you can change it in academy to do that but unless you are piyuh chawla i dont see the temptation to do that there!

On the other side we already need more better shot animations standard shots like backfoot cover drive [Like Joe Root] plays even the point region shot he plays...

thats the prob im talking about not all players play like root or sachin for that punch, so if you include those and hrabhjan singh and Ishant sharma play those animations which itsnt great! Which is why one size fits all kind of animations are used which is great for gameplay and experience but does rob a bit on individuality which i think can be added with these signature shots!

 

[Bluebagger]

I don't want to see any of these silly "signature" shots until the game gets a proper square drive.