Air Terror Bid Foiled in England

[andrew_nixon]

I put it to you that there would be more if we didnt check luggage.

Where did I say it shouldn't be checked? Just remember, the aim of terrorism is to instill change of some sort. We're changing. We're letting the terrorists win. We should show the terrorists that we're not scared. Let's stop them affecting our way of life.

As for the baby milk thing, I guess theres hundreds of cases of planes being blown up by liquid explosives contained in baby milk..... no wait a minute there's only been ONE ALLEGEDED PLOT! And if you like tasting self-expressed breast milk, then that's fine with me, whatever floats your boat.

Under the previous regime there were hardly any cases of planes being blown out of the sky. I can only recall the Lockerbie incident.

The terrorists may not be blowing things up, but they're still winning. And we're letting them win by changing our way of life. The IRA didn't win because we REFUSED to let them change our way of life.

 

[embi]

I put it to you that there would be more if we didnt check luggage. I dont see a problem with having to taste baby-milk. For many years when flying (something I used to do on a regular basis in my old job) I would have been asked to turn on my laptop to proove it was actually a laptop. I didnt see problem with this.

As a side issue, I am personally happy that the hand luggage size has been reduced. People always took far too much onboard and there was never enough room in the overhead lockers anyway.

The Chinese people on my holiday were terrible, taking things that should have been checked in, etc. Things like, I dunno, rice cookers in their box and stuff.

I read an online Wired article about liquid explosive detection, and it basically highlighted the problems with a solution one company developed. It would be too expensive and time-pressured.
Not taking liquid on board isn't a problem, because they serve it on board, and, as Kev said, you can buy it air-side anyway. Medicines should be carefully checked, though, because whats to stop someone replacing the medicine with this explosive?

Just go back to how it was before, otherwise the terrorists are winning.[/QUOTE

Don't forget, the terrorists win if they blow up a plane. Thats slightly more serious than changing our daily routine, isn't it?

I'm not suggesting no security checks. But was this "threat" foiled by the use of ridiculously intense security checks? (only baby milk if you taste it, even if it's self-expressed breast milk!) No it wasn't, it was foiled by good old-fashioned police and intelligence work.

And how many cases of planes being blown up in mid-air have there been? You can probably count them on your fingers.

The security checks don't usually catch people, their best purpose is to deter people. You know theres no point trying to take a gun on the plane as you will be stopped. Also as Kev said, how many more planes would be blown up?

And no offence to the police and intelligence departments, they were and still are fantastic mostly, but you cannot rely on them. Terrorists will do anything to stop them finding out, and one day, the law of averages says they should succeed.

BTW, fantastic debate going on here guys. Don't be fooled by thinking all these post are malicious.

 

[Kev]

Andrew, the terrorists arent winning. I'm not scared and I'm not changing the way I live or travel. I dont mind a few extra security checks, most people spend hours hanging around airports before their flights anyway.

I'm not into drinking breast milk but then I dont carry any around as a general rule. I dont understand why people need to take half this stuff as handluggage anyway. They made a big thing about Hair Gel and Toothpaste on the news. Why oh why would you need to take toothpaste as hand luggage anyway. People go to work all day without toothpaste in their pockets so why do they need it when they are going to sit on a plane or a few hours???? Here's a time saving tip - Buy it when you get to your destination, you will find it freely available in most supermarkets and shops worldwide at very reasonable prices

 

[gaurav_indian]

The best example of how life goes on is the Mumbai blasts.Anyone knows here how many people travel in Mumbai local train daily and even after the attacks they were travelling next day without any fear.And its good that security is always there and for that not only the policeman but the common man should also carry the responsibility by helping cops after all its all for our security.

 

[embi]

The best example of how life goes on is the Mumbai blasts.Anyone knows here how many people travel in Mumbai local train daily and even after the attacks they were travelling next day without any fear.And its good that security is always there and for that not only the policeman but the common man should also carry the responsibility by helping cops after all its all for our security.

gaurav! Haven't seen you for a while mate. How are you?

An opposite example is 7/7 last year. My mum was going to see a play in London the day after, and needed to take the tube. The friend she was going with chickened out, but my mum wasn't going to be scared off it by terrorists, its logical, they were hardly going to strike the next day, were they?
She said it was almost completely empty, a couple of people, and they were all talking about the lack of people.

However, this incident is different. It didn't actually happen, so many people aren't scared off as they would be if it did. A few however, are probably very intimidated by the fact they can do this, and/or the extra security checks.

 

[usy]

Guys only got one question...

When Israelis kill 1000 Civilians in Lebanon, the world doesn't see it as 'terrorism' and when 'extremists Muslims' do a bomb blast they say 'terrorists'. I'm not saying what these 'extremists Muslims' do is right, but what media does is really justice?

 

[embi]

Guys only got one question...

When Israelis kill 1000 Civilians in Lebanon, the world doesn't see it as 'terrorism' and when 'extremists Muslims' do a bomb blast they say 'terrorists'. I'm not saying what these 'extremists Muslims' do is right, but what media does is really justice?

Its because the "Muslim extremists" are targeting America and Western countries, and Israel is endorsed by the US (well, George Bush hasn't exactly tried to stop them, has he?) and the UK, well Tony Blair at least wants the support of the US.

Infact, the two are closely related. Its mainly because of Israel that the "Muslim extremists" are targeting us.

 

[andrew_nixon]

It's all to do with the rather vague defintion of terrorism. There is no official definition, though most people don't count actions carried out by a recognised government as terrorism. There's also the grey area between terrorist and "freedom fighter". Many of the actions carried out in South Africa during arparteid by Nelson Mandela's organisation were similar, if not identical, to tactics used by terrorists.

 

[usy]

no just leave the reasons, lets no care about the reasons why they (both the extremists and Isrealis) kill.. for 2 mins, OK.

Lets care about lives of of Muslims,Jews, non-religuos... care about human lives...

Look..

1000 Civilians in Lebanon
1000 Civilians in (anywhere where 'extremists Muslims' target)


BOTH doing wrong.

There.

 

[Milo_LCCC]

no just leave the reasons, lets no care about the reasons why they (both the extremists and Isrealis) kill.. for 2 mins, OK.

Lets care about lives of of Muslims,Jews, non-religuos... care about human lives...

Look..

1000 Civilians in Lebanon
1000 Civilians in (anywhere where 'extremists Muslims' target)


BOTH doing wrong.

There.

well said usy i couldn't agree more i think anything which involves killing people is wrong!

 

[manee]

no just leave the reasons, lets no care about the reasons why they (both the extremists and Isrealis) kill.. for 2 mins, OK.

Lets care about lives of of Muslims,Jews, non-religuos... care about human lives...

Look..

1000 Civilians in Lebanon
1000 Civilians in (anywhere where 'extremists Muslims' target)


BOTH doing wrong.

There.

Andrew is trying to say, that there is a fine line between killing to change the Earth for the better and for the heck of it.

It comes down to, if the law is unjust, should we obey it?

 

[andrew_nixon]

no just leave the reasons, lets no care about the reasons why they (both the extremists and Isrealis) kill.. for 2 mins, OK.

Lets care about lives of of Muslims,Jews, non-religuos... care about human lives...

Look..

1000 Civilians in Lebanon
1000 Civilians in (anywhere where 'extremists Muslims' target)


BOTH doing wrong.

There.

Usy, you seem to have a real problem with actually reading my posts. Could you please explain how any of this relates to my post?

Andrew is trying to say, that there is a fine line between killing to change the Earth for the better and for the heck of it.

Not really. I happen to think that killing another human being is wrong in all circumstances except when your own life is threatened, or the life of a loved one is threatened.

 

[usy]

Usy, you seem to have a real problem with actually reading my posts. Could you please explain how any of this relates to my post?

I was saying this to embi's post.

 

[andrew_nixon]

I was saying this to embi's post.

Fair enough. I guess I get so used to you not reading my posts and still replying to them.

 

[embi]

no just leave the reasons, lets no care about the reasons why they (both the extremists and Isrealis) kill.. for 2 mins, OK.

Lets care about lives of of Muslims,Jews, non-religuos... care about human lives...

Look..

1000 Civilians in Lebanon
1000 Civilians in (anywhere where 'extremists Muslims' target)


BOTH doing wrong.

There.

I never said I supported either George Bush or Tony Bliar. Infact, quite the opposite. I think what Andrew said was the right answer.