Apple announces holiday Mac line-up

Apple today announced it's holiday line-up, including upgrades to the Macbook Pro, the iMac and the Mac Mini. Also interesting is they announced their first range of quad-cores targeted towards the casual customer in the form of the 27-inch iMacs with Core i5 and Core i7 processors.

More at iMac.com.

I also took the liberty to write an entry in my blog about why I still can't afford an Apple. Yep, it's a shameless plug. :)

What you don't mention is the beautiful 27' monitor you get with the machine. It's an LED screen, large, crisp and simply stunning. A similar one from HP will run you $450. (HP? Official Store — Buy the HP 2709m 27" Diagonal Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor direct from HP) Dell $879 (Dell 27" UltraSharp Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor)

Those aren't even LED. The actual IPS 16:9 screens cost more than 1k.

Plus you don't get the quality customer service or anyone to help you out once you start to experience issues.

And have you seen the Magic Mouse? That thing is awesome.
 
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What you don't mention is the beautiful 27' monitor you get with the machine. It's an LED screen, large, crisp and simply stunning. A similar one from HP will run you $450.
I actually do mention the display, and mention that I essentially have a budget of $1600 to spend on my display, with which I can get a far better display, that isn't integrated. A 30" IPS panel costs $1160. A 26" inch one costs $810. The iMac comes with a 27" inch one that is effectively priced at higher than both these displays and its max resolution is less than the 30" one and a few hundred pixels in each direction better than the 26" inch one.

Plus you don't get the quality customer service or anyone to help you out once you start to experience issues.
I thought Apples weren't supposed to have any issues, seeing that they are high quality devices built with superior component? As a PC user for nearly 15 years now, I have never needed to contact Microsoft for an OS-related issue, ever. The only time my family has had to contact anyone for tech support is with third-party hardware.

And have you seen the Magic Mouse? That thing is awesome.
Gimmick, imo. I'drather take an integrated touchpad on my keyboard, which is what I plan to upgrade my wireless keyboard to in a couple of weeks (Logitech diNovo Edge).

sohum added 8 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

Oh, and don't forget the OS ($200), Webcam ($60?), 802.11n, Bluetooth, Firewire 800 card, optical in/out audio, IR sensor, Blue tooth keyboard and mouse. Preloaded software (equivalent to iLife) $80-$100,

Read this blog post: Marco.org - The more I think and learn about the curious...
I got my OS for free. Snow Leopard costs $30 apparently, so it's not as if that's an expensive part of the iMac build. With the deals on Win7 now, you'd have to be pretty lazy if you ended up paying more than the $100-130 range for a copy of Windows 7 HP/Pro. And no one really "needs" ultimate.

My mobo/case comes pre-equipped with Firewire so I don't need a card. I don't need Wifi on my desktop since, you know, I'm not going to be moving it around since it's a desktop and all. If I did want one I could pick a decent one up for around $30. My mobo provides HD audio to my case. I haven't owned a single IR device since I was in middle school.

As for iLife, I've got the Windows Live Essentials bundle to take care of that, and more. GarageBand looks interesting and iDVD is useful, but there's nothing there that cannot be taken care of by better, open-source applications. No price attached.

So what's left? Nothing, really. I like the PC because I don't have to pay for all this stuff that I won't use and have to use it to justify why I had to pay more for it. I like it because if I want to use it in the future, I can buy and add any adapters I require without needing to buy a value pack of USB hubs.

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And with regards to that article that doesn't allow public comments, it doesn't seem like Apple is really keeping their margins "low" when their margins on upgrades are more than 100%. As I pointed out in my blog, you're paying $650 for upgrades that are worth, retail, about $300. It's not only because it's coming from the manufacturer's house, either, since both HP and Dell's margins on upgrades are below 20%.
 
I actually do mention the display, and mention that I essentially have a budget of $1600 to spend on my display, with which I can get a far better display, that isn't integrated. A 30" IPS panel costs $1160. A 26" inch one costs $810. The iMac comes with a 27" inch one that is effectively priced at higher than both these displays and its max resolution is less than the 30" one and a few hundred pixels in each direction better than the 26" inch one.


I prefer the integrated monitor. Sleek, looks clean and beautiful, and doesn't take up as much space. Also leaves a lower carbon footprint (I'm a green guy).
The pixel shrinkage and density leads to a sharper image, more vivid pictures, and all in all higher quality viewing. the 16:9 ratio they use is the same as HD TV's and computers.

I thought Apples weren't supposed to have any issues, seeing that they are high quality devices built with superior component? As a PC user for nearly 15 years now, I have never needed to contact Microsoft for an OS-related issue, ever. The only time my family has had to contact anyone for tech support is with third-party hardware.

They usually don't, but you always have the few bad apples in the bunch (pardon my bad pun). My sister has a 2008 white macbook that she uses for college. The palmrest got slightly discolored so we took it in to the Chicago Apple store to see if they could give us a cleaning solution or something to get rid of some of the stains. We walked out with a brand new (FREE) laptop, palmgaurd, and all of her data transferred over withing 30 minutes. Apple's customer service can't be beat. Compare that to the crap HP service I got. The mother board busted (within 6 months of use), the power cord melted, we had to extend our warranty twice, they charged us $50 just for phone support, 100$ three separate times for powercord replacements, 200$ in repairs...over 500$ excess charges for a 650$ laptop. We trashed it and got a Vaio, and Sony's CS has been better so far, thankfully. My uncle actually works in the corporate sector of HP down in Austin/Houston, so we should have a partial bias :p, but that isn't the case.

Gimmick, imo. I'drather take an integrated touchpad on my keyboard, which is what I plan to upgrade my wireless keyboard to in a couple of weeks (Logitech diNovo Edge).

You can call it whatever you want... It's sleek, innovative, and is a pleasure to use. I went and tried it out in the Ann Arbor Apple store, its fantastic. Swiping through windows and scrolling down is a breeze, and the whole mouse is a big button which is pretty cool. Though I might prefer an MX Revolution or something, its certainly not bad for a free (included) mouse compared to the crappy ones you get with PC's.

I got my OS for free. Snow Leopard costs $30 apparently, so it's not as if that's an expensive part of the iMac build. With the deals on Win7 now, you'd have to be pretty lazy if you ended up paying more than the $100-130 range for a copy of Windows 7 HP/Pro. And no one really "needs" ultimate.

Not everyone is in your situation. Most are going to be forking over that extra 100-200$ for the Windows 7 Upgrade. And since we are comparing high end models it's obvious that we should compare the best OS's against each other.
---> Let's take a slight detour into software here. Now, I have NOT tried Windows 7. I have Vista installed on my Vaio downstairs and XP on my 8 year old desktop that i'm currently using. I actually kind of like Vista, I don't have all the complaints that others do and i'm fine with it as an every day OS. Yes, it does get slightly redundant and irritating at times, but coming from using a beat up 8year old computer with 500megs of ram, it's pure heaven. But, using the iMac's in school with OSX and my sisters Macbook, there really isn't a comparison. It's fast, secure, and has a lot of innovative features that make it a breeze and joy to use. You could say that Windows has a lot more programs. True, but for every program I truly want there is a Mac alternative. Mac's also have no/very few virus programs, compared to the thousands plaguing PC's everywhere. (Please note: I have been surfing the internet avidly on two separate machines (Windows) for the last two years with no virus protection whatsoever and have not had any problems at all. I believe it's more of a 'you asked for it' kind of thing.) But remember, I have NOT tried Win7, and from what I hear it's a pretty solid OS. Engadget, Gizmodo, Slashgear etc rate OSX slightly higher, but 7 is a big step forward from Vista.

My mobo/case comes pre-equipped with Firewire so I don't need a card. I don't need Wifi on my desktop since, you know, I'm not going to be moving it around since it's a desktop and all. If I did want one I could pick a decent one up for around $30. My mobo provides HD audio to my case. I haven't owned a single IR device since I was in middle school.

Again, not everyone is in the same situation. What if you have your rig isn't hooked up directly to your modem (ie, the second computer in your house)? A computer lab? These are the cases in which Wifi becomes essential. The $40 dongle's look stupid, take up a USB port, and get spotty reception (trust me, we've gone through like 4 of them on my sis's old [highschool] desktop)

As for iLife, I've got the Windows Live Essentials bundle to take care of that, and more. GarageBand looks interesting and iDVD is useful, but there's nothing there that cannot be taken care of by better, open-source applications. No price attached.
Windows movie maker and iMove simply don't compare. I can't run WMM for 30 seconds on my Vaio without it crashing.
Windows Live Messenger is cool, but you don't get the versatility of iChat.
The toolbar basically sucks.
Outlook is terrible IMO.

You're right, there are plenty of freeware apps available that are better than the preinstalled options. But you've got to remember that OSX has them too :).

Even if you won't use some features or you already have something, you've got to still take it into account.

And with regards to that article that doesn't allow public comments, it doesn't seem like Apple is really keeping their margins "low" when their margins on upgrades are more than 100%. As I pointed out in my blog, you're paying $650 for upgrades that are worth, retail, about $300. It's not only because it's coming from the manufacturer's house, either, since both HP and Dell's margins on upgrades are below 20%.

That's because Apple can do that. Have you seen the value of it's share? It's skyrocketing, even coming off a recession. People aren't stupid, Mac's are becoming so popular today because they're fantastic machines, have a solid operating system and software, have less maintainence, are greener, and have ingenious marketing. PC companies simply can't compete.

That's why, if you know how, upgrade HDD/RAM on Apple yourself.
 
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I prefer the integrated monitor. Sleek, looks clean and beautiful, and doesn't take up as much space. Also leaves a lower carbon footprint (I'm a green guy).
The pixel shrinkage and density leads to a sharper image, more vivid pictures, and all in all higher quality viewing. the 16:9 ratio they use is the same as HD TV's and computers.
The carbon footprint of a self-built PC is almost always going to be better than the Mac. First of all, you can decide what power supply you want, so it's not as if you're tied in to whatever goes into the actual machine. If you don't need a hog with a 1000W PSU, don't get one. It'll consume less power. From a recycling standpoint, you can reuse far more parts of a PC in a new build than a Mac--where you just have to buy a new one.

Regarding pixel density, let's compare, shall we?

26": maxres = 1920x1200 (2,304,000 pixels); screen area = 22.04x13.78 (303.71 sq. in); 0.000132 inches per pixel
27" iMac: maxres = 2560x1440 (3,686,400); s.a. = 13.24x23.53 (311.5372 sq. in); 0.0000845 in/px
30": maxres = 2560x1600 (4,096,000); s.a. = 15.90x25.44 (404.496 sq. in); 0.0000988 in/px

So the iMac does have the highest pixel density, but by how much? We're talking about thousandths to ten thousandths of an inch per pixel better than its competitors. If you can really tell the difference (and you'd require a "blind" testing in that you'd have to test the displays independent of being in an iMac) then I would seriously doubt you or any human could tell the difference. Certainly if you're a professional graphics artist, then its worth the difference. But for the every day user its just a brag point.

They usually don't, but you always have the few bad apples in the bunch (pardon my bad pun). My sister has a 2008 white macbook that she uses for college. The palmrest got slightly discolored so we took it in to the Chicago Apple store to see if they could give us a cleaning solution or something to get rid of some of the stains. We walked out with a brand new (FREE) laptop, palmgaurd, and all of her data transferred over withing 30 minutes. Apple's customer service can't be beat. Compare that to the crap HP service I got. The mother board busted (within 6 months of use), the power cord melted, we had to extend our warranty twice, they charged us $50 just for phone support, 100$ three separate times for powercord replacements, 200$ in repairs...over 500$ excess charges for a 650$ laptop. We trashed it and got a Vaio, and Sony's CS has been better so far, thankfully. My uncle actually works in the corporate sector of HP down in Austin/Houston, so we should have a partial bias :p, but that isn't the case.
How old was your HP computer? I've never had to contact HP support and I've been buying HP machines since 1997. I suspect a great deal of it has to do with how a user uses it versus how good the hardware is. HP is known to use cheaper hardware than Dell, though, which is why Dell is far and away the preference for any business users. For example, one of my buddies in college had a Macbook that crept slower than a Windows ME. I suspect it had to do with how he used it rather than how solidly the computer was built.

You can call it whatever you want... It's sleek, innovative, and is a pleasure to use. I went and tried it out in the Ann Arbor Apple store, its fantastic. Swiping through windows and scrolling down is a breeze, and the whole mouse is a big button which is pretty cool. Though I might prefer an MX Revolution or something, its certainly not bad for a free (included) mouse compared to the crappy ones you get with PC's.
I haven't used it so I can't tell. My experiences with Apple mouses have been very unpleasant, though. I used an iMac at work for the last 4 years and every day after work my wrist would be sore. The 360 degree ball was an innovative idea, but I really, really prefer physical buttons any day of the week. My productivity on a computer would be extremely hampered by a mouse that didn't have at least 3 buttons and a scroller.

Not everyone is in your situation. Most are going to be forking over that extra 100-200$ for the Windows 7 Upgrade. And since we are comparing high end models it's obvious that we should compare the best OS's against each other.
You would have an argument if OSX made separate models for each of their releases. From a feature standpoint, you can get pretty much everything anyone needs with the Home Premium or Pro edition. In fact, the only big missing feature in Home Premium is backup and restore. And my point with OSX is that the fact that it only retails at $30 means that its not a major contributing factor to the price point. So you cannot say Windows 7 is $220 hence OSX is better--because you can only account for $30 in the price of an iMac, for Snow Leopard.

---> Let's take a slight detour into software here. Now, I have NOT tried Windows 7. I have Vista installed on my Vaio downstairs and XP on my 8 year old desktop that i'm currently using. I actually kind of like Vista, I don't have all the complaints that others do and i'm fine with it as an every day OS. Yes, it does get slightly redundant and irritating at times, but coming from using a beat up 8year old computer with 500megs of ram, it's pure heaven.
If you like Vista, then there's no doubt that you'll feel like you're in heaven with Windows 7.

But, using the iMac's in school with OSX and my sisters Macbook, there really isn't a comparison. It's fast, secure, and has a lot of innovative features that make it a breeze and joy to use. You could say that Windows has a lot more programs. True, but for every program I truly want there is a Mac alternative.
If that was the case then Apple would never release Bootcamp. Bootcamp enables users who are missing connectivity with Windows computers, precisely because the Mac alternatives don't exist or suck. Secondly, from a development standpoint, Windows is far and ahead of Apple. The Visual Studio IDE blows XCode out of the planet, although XCode is free and comes with the OS. The enabled technologies on Windows, specifically the .NET platform, are going to create a generation of software development that is going to result in pretty and powerful programs. Apple doesn't support this officially thus far, but the Mono project shows that most users are definitely interested in the development possibilities.

Mac's also have no/very few virus programs, compared to the thousands plaguing PC's everywhere. (Please note: I have been surfing the internet avidly on two separate machines (Windows) for the last two years with no virus protection whatsoever and have not had any problems at all. I believe it's more of a 'you asked for it' kind of thing.) But remember, I have NOT tried Win7, and from what I hear it's a pretty solid OS. Engadget, Gizmodo, Slashgear etc rate OSX slightly higher, but 7 is a big step forward from Vista.
What's the point of bringing up something and contradicting yourself? The Mac-virus fallacy is one of the oldest ones around. It doesn't make sense for an attacker to attack machines that are less than 5% of the market share when you have a pretty insecure OS to target (XP, 90% of market share). Botnets don't have a pride factor where they show that they can attack a Mac, they try to capture and control as many terminals as possible.

Again, not everyone is in the same situation. What if you have your rig isn't hooked up directly to your modem (ie, the second computer in your house)? A computer lab? These are the cases in which Wifi becomes essential. The $40 dongle's look stupid, take up a USB port, and get spotty reception (trust me, we've gone through like 4 of them on my sis's old [highschool] desktop)
You must not have understood my wording. I don't need to buy any USB attachments since I have more than enough PCI slots open in my motherboard. If tomorrow some brilliant new technology comes out, I can buy a card and install it in my box, not wait 2 years for Apple to charge me a premium rate for it. If you have more than one computer in your house, a router is a good idea anyway and those come with 4 ethernet ports. I mean... what else are you going to connect your Mac to?

Windows movie maker and iMove simply don't compare. I can't run WMM for 30 seconds on my Vaio without it crashing.
Windows Live Messenger is cool, but you don't get the versatility of iChat.
The toolbar basically sucks.
Outlook is terrible IMO.
I ran WMM on Windows ME fine. :p I don't know why it doesn't work for you! When you end up getting employed, you will realize that an enterprise mail application is extremely necessary if you want to be even semi-productive. Regardless of whether I'm on a Mac/PC I'd be using Pidgin, Thunderbird and Firefox for my IM/email/internet needs. I'll concede that the Mail.app is pretty cool, though it doesn't compare to Thunderbird in my book.

You're right, there are plenty of freeware apps available that are better than the preinstalled options. But you've got to remember that OSX has them too :).
More, better available for Windows.

Even if you won't use some features or you already have something, you've got to still take it into account.
I don't have to take it into account if I'm building a computer for my personal needs. I'd argue that most everyday users on a computer don't have a need for the iLife application stack, for example.

That's because Apple can do that. Have you seen the value of it's share? It's skyrocketing, even coming off a recession. People aren't stupid, Mac's are becoming so popular today because they're fantastic machines, have a solid operating system and software, have less maintainence, are greener, and have ingenious marketing. PC companies simply can't compete.
Umm... in a time of economic recession, people should be realizing and being aware when companies are stealing money from them! Instead, you are applauding them for making prices higher. I'm confused... I always thought it was better to save money. Apple's "ingenious marketing" is nothing but bashing of Windows. It makes you wonder why they don't actually make advertising about what their product is good at, apart from looking good and having a dedicated fanbase of rich people.

You are also completely ignoring what has been driving the Apple share the last few months--the iPhone. The iPhone has certainly been a huge win for Apple and made them a lot of money in the form of sales (more than $200 a pop), licensing (contracts with only 1 telecommunications carrier in most countries) and application store royalties. To think that Apple is reporting huge earnings just because of Mac and Macbook sales would be extremely ignorant, especially in a quarter where the iPhone 3GS was released.

Personally, I don't mind Mac machines. If they were a few hundred dollars cheaper I'd save up for one and run Windows 7 off bootcamp. As it happens, Apple still feels the need to maintain their elitism by keeping their prices unneedingly high. As a company, I dislike Apple a lot. They are far too arrogant a company, which is evident in their bash-marketing. They don't care about what their users want (people have been asking for an open-development platform for the iPhone for ages, along with an actual checklist of what you need to get into the App Store instead of what Apple feels like on the day, as well as native Blu Ray support). Despite this, they've managed to maintain a veil over the large majority of their users, who still seem to be under the impression that they're getting a better product, whereas this cannot be quantified in the least bit.
 
Right, sohum is basically saying all that I wanted to say, but I'd like to add some facts here...

  • Windows 7 has a scheme going on for students, and for them it is available at something like $30-$40. So if you're a student who has a valid institution email ID, you can get it off these discount prices, which really, is a STEAL.
  • Applications for Windows are far more than what are available on a Mac. Its like comparing the size of Germany to India / USA really.
 
MAC are most popular in US and there also they have just 6% market share. It's safe to say you can gift this to the ladies in your life as they will hardly use the kind of applications we men will use.
 
I'd like to make one final comment on the Microsoft-Apple thing.

First of all, you've got to realize how closely coupled Apple is to OS-X. So much, in fact, that OS-X doesn't run on any other machine unless you want to really get your hands dirty, despite using essentially the same hardware set as a modern-day PC. By doing this, OS-X can concentrate all their energy knowing that they control their entire hardware set. They don't have to rely on incompatible drivers, etc., since the number of components they have to support is so low.

Contrast Windows--which can run on any machine, even the Mac! I think this is a testament to how generically Windows has actually been developed. Windows is used on everything from personal computers to servers to cars to PDAs to mobile phones. Comparatively, Apple's OS is only used on iPhones and Macs. The development energy spent to create an OS that works across all these systems is what has made Windows machines gain the 90% share.

Microsoft could have very easily followed the Apple route and developed Windows for a very specific spread of hardware. They could then focus on optimizing that OS for that hardware. Considering that Windows, being generic as it is now, is so close to OSX in terms of usability (and better, imo), imagine if MS had decided not to open up their software to all machines. They'd have tied up with 1-2 vendors and have a monopoly on the PC market, much as Apple has on the OSX market, right now.

This is the only reason Apple can afford to charge such exorbitant prices. Because they're the only ones who can sell machines that run OSX. It is also worth noting that Apple's market share has grown considerably since they moved to Intel. Why? Windows-support. While many users liked OS-X, they still needed Windows. Now they can have both. Of course, Apple cannot afford to do the same thing with OSX. If OSX could dual boot on a Windows-based PC, Apple would be done for because everyone would realize how overbloated Apple's prices are.
 
Right, sohum is basically saying all that I wanted to say, but I'd like to add some facts here...

  • Windows 7 has a scheme going on for students, and for them it is available at something like $30-$40. So if you're a student who has a valid institution email ID, you can get it off these discount prices, which really, is a STEAL.
  • Applications for Windows are far more than what are available on a Mac. Its like comparing the size of Germany to India / USA really.

Yes. I have purchased the student edition of Win 7 Home Premium twice (using my college e-mail ID even though I graduated 3 months ago, and my sister's current college ID). For $60, I have upgraded both my desktop and laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium full version.

One more thing I notice with the Apple operating systems are, if you have used Windows for a long long time (or if you havent used any computer at all) and then think of trying the Apple computers (with their own OS's), its a pain starting off by using the Apple PC's (I once rented an Apple laptop in my college for free, and immediately returned it within 20 mins although I had 4 hours of the time to use the laptop). In contrast, if you are new to computers and if you are given a Windows PC, it will barely take you a few minutes to get a good feel about the PC and you will just dive into the experience. Windows is by far the most user friendly of the OS's (Reminder: I have not tried Snow Leopard) and that adds to the popularity that the Windows have over Apple.
 
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Windows is getting is arse kicked in Mobile market for sure. Watch out for Android in coming years.
 
Windows is getting is arse kicked in Mobile market for sure. Watch out for Android in coming years.
Android has been around for a couple of years already. It's gaining traction. I've got my eyes on HTC and my next phone is probably going to be touchscreen Android. Probably the next generation of the HTC Hero which seems to be a great phone with weak hardware.
 

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