Are India and Pakistan playing each other too often?
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andrew_nixon
Chairman of Selectors
Please explain........rahulk666 said:
sohum
Executive member
Looking to delete more posts?andrew_nixon said:
andrew_nixon
Chairman of Selectors
No, but I'd love to hear his reason.sohummisra said:Looking to delete more posts?
indiancricketer
International Coach
yeah me too i would also want to know the reason
BCCI basically wants to mint money. Do they care about the fans? Do they evr realize that it is the fans that run them and not the other way round? A PIL has been filed by two Indian individuals in Indian high court explaining BCCI their actions. BCCI has in turned responded saying that PIL cannot be filed against them as they are a "private" organization. Yet, the team which BCCI chooses is called as Indian Team. How come a private organization call its team (literally selected by bunch of jokers who are basically failed cricketers... well not all but majority) as Indian team? How come Mr. Dalmiya who is no longer the President and holds a post which is controversial in BCCI is in the panel for selecting a coach? How come a body of BCCI spends Rs. 33 lakhs in liquor in one year and not spend the same amount of money in development of cricket infrastruture for five years?
By bringing Pakistan to play in India or by going to Pakistan every year the BCCI is minting money left and right. People watching the game in the stadiums can't even carry water-bottles and have to pay Rs. 10 - 20 for bottle (and not even bottles but water in plastic bags in Bombay). Heck, they don't even care whether the fans will be able to watch the matches live by not resolving the TV rights issue for almost eternity now. And what about the player endorsements issue? Can we guarantee that the next WC or even the Champions trophy won't bring this issue up again?
Aren't the fans being fooled here? You tell me aren't they?
BCCI should look at the NFL organization and see how they run their business. They too mint money but do not do it at cost of spectators and fans. Every franchise has days where fans are appreciated, fans are given memorabilia... and so on. Inzi went after a fan with a cricket bat to hit him some time ago... what did ICC or PCB do? Yuvraj Singh did the same in a domestic competition and what did BCCI do? Ron Artest lost 1 year of his earnings and was banned for full season for going into the crowd and hitting a fan even when the fan throwed glass full of beer on him. FANS COME FIRST... and if we the Indian cricketfans don't recognize it then am I wrong calling Indian cricket fans fools?
P.S. I do not want to comment on PCB as I do not know anything about their functioning and hierarchy.
By bringing Pakistan to play in India or by going to Pakistan every year the BCCI is minting money left and right. People watching the game in the stadiums can't even carry water-bottles and have to pay Rs. 10 - 20 for bottle (and not even bottles but water in plastic bags in Bombay). Heck, they don't even care whether the fans will be able to watch the matches live by not resolving the TV rights issue for almost eternity now. And what about the player endorsements issue? Can we guarantee that the next WC or even the Champions trophy won't bring this issue up again?
Aren't the fans being fooled here? You tell me aren't they?
BCCI should look at the NFL organization and see how they run their business. They too mint money but do not do it at cost of spectators and fans. Every franchise has days where fans are appreciated, fans are given memorabilia... and so on. Inzi went after a fan with a cricket bat to hit him some time ago... what did ICC or PCB do? Yuvraj Singh did the same in a domestic competition and what did BCCI do? Ron Artest lost 1 year of his earnings and was banned for full season for going into the crowd and hitting a fan even when the fan throwed glass full of beer on him. FANS COME FIRST... and if we the Indian cricketfans don't recognize it then am I wrong calling Indian cricket fans fools?
P.S. I do not want to comment on PCB as I do not know anything about their functioning and hierarchy.
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indiancricketer
International Coach
why NFL?
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sohum
Executive member
On another tangent, I just read an article yesterday about how the NFL has sold-out to sponsors, Reebok. A coach (something Nolan) wanted to wear a sports coat and a tie to NFL games, but was prevented to do so because sponsors Reebok did not make that attire. A special deal is now being made so that Reebok make 'nice' clothes so that the public can also buy them. You call this respect for fans? It's more like taking the fans for a ride. Memorabilia in the end brings money right back to the organization--it gives the fans a false sense of satisfaction.rahulk666 said:
As for the NBA case, this is giving fans false protection. Fans are important for the game, but they should realise the limits of their involvment. In my opinion, throwing a glass of beer onto Ron Artest was completely unpardonable--the fan was nowhere within his rights to do that. Ron Artest reacted as any normal human being would do, and this resulted in his suspension from the league. That's basically selling out to the players. What about the respect that Artest lost? Fans should realize that the game is not all about them.
It is true that fans run the game, but this is only because of commercialism. The actual sport is being played by the players. The sport would exist even if fans did not exist, but not on such a high scale. It would exist like sports like Netball and Table Tennis which enjoy almost no viewership. But it would exist nevertheless. However, for the sport to be alive and thriving as it is today, fans have to be satisfied. And since it is alive and thriving today, fans are being satisfied.
Personally, as a fan, I feel grieved when the BCCI do stupid things like leave TV rights till the last day and then award it to DD. But the cricket is what I'm really after. And the BCCI has no control over the quality of cricket since they are purely management-based. The Indian cricket team performing well makes me really happy, regardless of where I am. I do not mind following a game on Cricinfo, even if the Indian team is doing well.
That's it for this essay.
m_vaughan
Chairman of Selectors
Indo-Pak matches every year will get boring, whether you like it or not.
At least the fans get the memorabilia to keep. if you are a cricket fan you get abused in the staduim and still buy the sposors goods just because Sachin says so.sohummisra said:
I do not agree. Fans rule.sohummisra said:
In a country like India if cricket would not have fan following then it would not survive. cricket is played over span of five days or one full day (8.00 to 5.00). With virtually zero fan following do you think cricket will survive? Even if it did the quality of players would be so poor that even you wouldn't want to play or watch it. Table Tennis, netball take 1 hour or so max and have huge fan following in Asia (Korea, China, Japan, Taiwan). Do not say TT or Netball have zero fan following.sohummisra said:
BCCI really thanks you wholeheartedly. They will continue to act in same way because of people like you.sohummisra said:
What!! Thats just ridiculous. Don't you think that if Delhi cricket association spent 33 lakhs in setting up better cricket infrastructure and facilities, (instead of spending it on liqour), the quality of players would be good. Onyl few players like Sachin, Lara and others have born cricket talent. Others grind it out in the nets and hone their skills to become good cricketers.sohummisra said:
So you as an Indian cricket fan do not mind being abused by corrupt and nonsense management of BCCI? Way to go!!sohummisra said:
Amen.m_vaughan said:
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sohum
Executive member
Oh wow, we get memorabilia to keep. Way to go. I feel so pampered and happy now. Who cares if our team sucks, at least I have that India jersey in my cupboard. And what abuse are you talking about? It's not as if they hang you upside down and torture you. The BCCI does not control things such as stadium quality controls--every stadium has a separate committee that is responsible for that. It is the ****ed up bureaucracy in India that is at fault.rahulk666 said:
Well, what can I say to an argument like that? It is totally foolproof isn't it? Except if I do not agree with it. Oh, wow!rahulk666 said:
Ahh, now fans have become the quality-influencing measure in cricket. On my way to school today I passed by a slum area. It was in fact behind a police station--a slight bit of what seemed like concrete land. Children were playing cricket there. They had probably never been to a cricket match and at most may have seen a match on the TV's in shops, outside. Yet they played cricket. The BCCI not selling water at a stadium or spending 33 lakhs on liquor won't really affect their outlook on the game.rahulk666 said:
Okay, first you have identified that it is the Delhi Cricket Association that spent the 33 lakhs, and not the actual BCCI. That is the problem with a huge country--one organization cannot control everyone. Thus they break down the system and try to manage the rest. The way the hierarchies are set up, the BCCI probably has almost no say in how the DCA spends it money. All the DCA cares about is that the BCCI gives them a match once in a tour. As for naturally-talented cricketers, surely in a country of billions, you can find 11 talented cricketers.rahulk666 said:
Let us, in fact, analyze the current Indian team. Who has got in on pure talent? Sehwag, Sachin, Ganguly, Laxman, Pathan, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Nehra. Who has got in after working hard? Dravid and Kumble. Balaji, to an extent. I am not analyzing the performance. Zaheer and Nehra may be disputable--but they were selected based on their raw talent. Zaheer for being a fast-bowler, and Nehra for having the knack of picking up wickets. When I was talking about quality, I was talking about performance. India losing to Pakistan 4-2 in the ODI series cannot be blamed on the BCCI.
There are, however, some points that I agree with you on. The BCCI is an extremely corrupt organization that is probably screwing Indian fans out of the overall joy that they get from cricket. But look at the context: they are simply an outgrowth of Indian politics. I am all for revolution, but you have to understand the roots. The BCCI are probably in a time-gap here, as they need to upgrade and increase the cricketing infrastructure in India to cope with the increasing population. Unfortunately, their messed up organization makes this a tedious process. It is not much help, either, that they have to acquire hundreds of permits just to be able to start something.
Laters.
m_vaughan
Chairman of Selectors
Well there is some truth in the fact that India and Pakistan are ready to play each other this often because of commercial reasons.
sohum
Executive member
I don't disagree with that. I just disagree with the role of the BCCI/fans/players and the performance of each party in relation with the others.
