Asif and Akhtar Positive for doping!

[barmyarmy]

I can't see how it matters that the PCB conducted the tests rather than the ICC. The ICC should be able to impose a ban anyway.

 

[surendar]

I can't see how it matters that the PCB conducted the tests rather than the ICC. The ICC should be able to impose a ban anyway.

If PCB had conducted those tests, then its also fair for ICC to hear the complaint of Akthar about the false reports and ICC shd take the action accrdingly! If he realy desreves the ban, then he shd! ( one shd always be paid for his mistakes )

Also other interesting thing is, Akthar was damn sure that there were no doctors for PCB for 4 years!

ICC shd interrupt here and take action which wud be a final decision!

 

[ZoraxDoom]

An online blog somewhere. Can't be bothered fining the link now, was over a month ago. But I remember clearly. That's why I still backed these two, tests for this are still not atleast 80% correct.

 

[puddleduck]

An online blog somewhere. Can't be bothered fining the link now, was over a month ago. But I remember clearly. That's why I still backed these two, tests for this are still not atleast 80% correct.

Did they not refuse a second test though?

As I said a few pages back the entire thing is a farce. Test and ban your own players prior to a tournament that would have seen 2 year bans for both of them. Then afterwards find a convinient way to lift the ban.

Oh and Gambino, exactly what planet are you on? Warne got a 1 year ban for taking a lesser substance, how exactly does these two getting off scot free for a slightly worse offence mean Pakistan are getting hard done by? The words I want to use to describe you are unfortunately banned on this forum, use your imagination. I would type them and claim afterwards that I had no idea they weren't allowed, but somehow I don't think that would make a difference :

 

[Adarsh]

Zorax, nandrolone is a very very well known substance, so don't tell me it's relatively unknown. The results were conclusive, AND as pointed out, they declined a retest.

 

[Gunner786]

Did they not refuse a second test though?

As I said a few pages back the entire thing is a farce. Test and ban your own players prior to a tournament that would have seen 2 year bans for both of them. Then afterwards find a convinient way to lift the ban.

Oh and Gambino, exactly what planet are you on? Warne got a 1 year ban for taking a lesser substance, how exactly does these two getting off scot free for a slightly worse offence mean Pakistan are getting hard done by? The words I want to use to describe you are unfortunately banned on this forum, use your imagination. I would type them and claim afterwards that I had no idea they weren't allowed, but somehow I don't think that would make a difference :

well the words i would use to describe you would get me banned off the whole of the internet-if that was possible

 

[puddleduck]

well the words i would use to describe you would get me banned off the whole of the internet-if that was possible

Well I'm glad we're in agreement about something

 

[apesnani]

Warne-I didn't know what I took. Banned for 1 year.
Akhtar and Asif-I didn't know what I took. Let off.

Sub-Continental hypocrisy strikes again.

Statements like this happen when you just dont read complete reports.

Basically there players were to be judged uner PCB Anti-Doping Policy , not ICC or Cricket Australia.

PCB Doping policy states that it is the duty of the PCB to inform the players about banned substances, which makes sense as most of the Pakistani players are not well educated enought in English (esp Mohd Asif) to understand all the WADA requirements.

What the tribunal said was as PCB Anti Doping policy states that if the players were not educated by the PCB they cannot be blamed as they donot know the rules. This is what happened.

Read before you make statemnets.

I just read the news on Cricinfo, and even though I'm disappointed by the decision made, I think it was the right one considering the facts presented. I think PCB screwed up royal by not following the proper guidelines in the first place, and it makes sense to me how the committee would decide they were both innocent of the charges. Personally, I think a bit of malice may have been invloved from at least Akhtar's part, taking advantage of the fact that PCB guidelines didn't technically ban the substance in question.

Either way, they both got off, and I really don't think I'll watch either one play with awe and respect like I used to. I may have if they served their sentence, but not now.

But you still watch Shane Warne with awe ?

How on earth can his case be worse- Warne tested positive to a diuretic and was given a year rather than the full two as in itself the drug has no performance-enhancing properties, there was no evidence of it being used to mask steroid use and medical opinion stated that steroids would not have enhanced Warne's recovery from his shoulder injury. These two cheats took nandrolone, a steroid, tested positive and their defence was... oh we didn't know. In turn the pathetic board took their opportunity to impose some temporary penalties for a public show and then subsequently upheld this defence, which is universally recognised as not being a defence at all, and get their players back in time for the World Cup.

To summarise-
Warne, masking agent, no evidence of or logical basis for steroid use. Defence: didn't know what he was taking. 1 year
Akhtar/Asif, proven steroid use. Defence: didn't know what they were taking. Nothing

It's a disgrace to international cricket, blatant bias on behalf of the PCB and it's obvious to any non-biased observer that it's vital that the toothless ICC actually steps in for once to right this farce.

Ok this is from the WADA Chairman about Shane Warne

"Shane Warne said his mother had given him a diuretic so that he would look slimmer on television, without mentioning the shoulder injury from which he was trying to recover," Pound writes.

"The diuretic was a masking agent that could have hidden the possible use of steroids that would help the injury cure faster. He had returned to play almost twice as quickly as the experts had predicted."

Publicly, Warne said he had taken just a single pill, although the drug test discovered two separate diuretic substances in its analysis.

Some anti-doping experts believe diuretics have also been used as a masking agent for other performance-enhancing drugs or to help flush traces of muscle-building steroids out.


How funny you make fun of the PCB when it was the one in that had the kahunas to ban its own players in Match Fixing.

Can you refresh my memory on what happened to Shane Warne and Mark Waugh.....yeah right pitch and wether conditions....match fixing... nice

 

[Skater]

But you still watch Shane Warne with awe ?

I don't see why he wouldn't - Shane Warne did his time. Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif have been let off the hook.

 

[PhilD123]

Its a disgrace to be honest. As people have been saying Shane Warne was banned and did his time. They are professional sportsmen, its their responsibility to find out what they are taking. So people saying that they didn't know what they were taking, thats no excuse. Its a very naive viewpoint to think it wasn't their fault

In football, two years ago, Rio Ferdinand got a 9 month ban for missing a drugs test, these two fail a drugs test and get away without any ban. It just doesn't seem right.

The ICC should be able to step in but they'll probably be some loop-hole preventing them from doing so.

 

[apesnani]

I don't see why he wouldn't - Shane Warne did his time. Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif have been let off the hook.

But if one is the cheat so is anohter. Does doing his time means he never got any extra help from the drugs. The gain he got just dissapeared, going by your logic, we should look down upon Asif and Akhtar for a year and then we should be OK , then they are normal again and we should then all marvel what they do from Oct 2007 onwards.

Even before this whole incident we were all very happy in praising Warne , including Pakistanis cause he is a great bowler, but saying what Asif and Akhtar do for the rest of the career is to be put down to this is just absurd.

 

[PhilD123]

But if one is the cheat so is anohter. Does doing his time means he never got any extra help from the drugs. The gain he got just dissapeared, going by your logic, we should look down upon Asif and Akhtar for a year and then we should be OK , then they are normal again and we should then all marvel what they do from Oct 2007 onwards.

Thats not the point, they were happy to take illegal drugs. They were happy to cheat in cricket, who's to say they wont try it again?

 

[Gunner786]

whos to say shane warne wont?

and whos to say that we shouldnt strip linford christie of all his awards and medals?
maybe he won all his medlas withthe help of nandrolone as he was let off the hook too

 

[Sureshot]

Nanldrone (Or however you spell what they took) is still relatively unknown. It has been found to be abundant in - shock horror:
A) Rare cases in men
B) Especially those who are active
Was an article on it (or a link to an off-site article) on cricinfo a while back. Akthar and Asif are both very active. It was also said Urine tests were only accurate on this 60% of the time. Add to this that there medications was prescribed by doctors reccomended/hired/owned by the PCB, you can say that the proof was doubtful. Asif is fine. He is young, unknowing, grown up from a village and doesn't have a PHD or whatever it is to know what Nanldrone is. He can be forgiven,
Akthar, I feel he still deserved a year ban at the least. He should have the commone sense to check what was in the medicines he was taking, and tell Asif too.

Nandrolone is produced by the human body but in tiny ammounts, when the tests where done the natural ammount produced would've been taken into consideration. Can't defend the indefensible Zorax.

You have to have PHD to ask what the doctors are putting into your body?

 

[Stephen Bailey]

England's performance isn't the only farce today I see. Absolutely disgraceful. What sort of message does this send out? Dwain Chambers said he wasn't aware he took PHD's, but did that mean he was let off? No.

Farce, total farce. :

I can't believe people think that Asif is too young to not know what Nandrolone is and PHD's are wrong. That truly is ridiculous.