Asif and Akhtar Positive for doping!

[brad352]

They didn't quite say they didn't know what they were taking, from what the report on Cricinfo says at least.

From what the BBC report says they were let off solely on the basis that neither of them knowingly took the drug.

I'm sure Mohammad Asif didnt even know what steroids were before this incident, he was quite uneducated and didnt know better, the drugs were probably given to him by an unlicensed local doctor; im disappointed with Shoaib Akhtar though, he shouldve known better. I support the removal of the ban from Asif, I cant say the same about Shoaib, i believe his ban should have been maintained if not increased.

It's unreasonable to support one punishment for one man and another for someone else found guilty of the same offence, it's the responsibility of the PCB to ensure their players are aware of and abide by the drug code.

 

[nightprowler10]

Surely as members of the ICC they're responsible for following their drug code.

Hence the screw up. If I understand it correctly from the news reports, the literature handed to players did not prohibit that particular substance. Now whether the literature just not updated to current standards, or PCB were just cocky and had their own guidelines is unclear to me.

 

[surendar]

Does any know what happened during tests? Are they valid?

Akthar, long time back openly told in media that the tests contained 40% false report ( i still cant understand how he told that ratio 40% ) and infact accepted in media though that he took it as they told him legal ( http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/showpost.php?p=561826&postcount=103 )


Also i also remember him saying that the ratio of drug was very low.... and told that " there were people who got caught for huge proportion.. If i wud have taken it wantedly, then it cant be of low proportion.... " if i remember right, he meant huge proportion as 150-200 and the prop found in his body was around 40 ( though didnt remember about this value well what he exactly told to NDTV )

 

[nightprowler10]

Doesn't really matter what Akhtar has to say on the issue, tbh.

 

[Sureshot]

Well done PCB you utter pillocks.

Drugs are ok in their books, kick 'em out the ICC for this shambolic decision.

 

[Gunner786]

1st world hypocrisy exists on Planetcricket too,

where were you all when shane warne was let off lightly?

where were the "ICC where are you?" comments?

 

[brad352]

1st world hypocrisy exists on Planetcricket too,

where were you all when shane warne was let off lightly?

where were the "ICC where are you?" comments?

Vastly different (and far less blatant and damning) case. But issuing half the maximum penalty for steroid use to a man who used a diuretic is obviously the same as letting off proven drug cheats with no penalty under staged testing and farcical reasoning. Because let's all remember, Pakistan are ALWAYS THE VICTIMS

 

[Punk_Sk8r]

And just becasue he never had electricity mean he cant take drugs ?

No but it doesnt mean that but I can imagine him just being told to take somthing that he doesnt know about obviously not fromt no strangers....maybe Shoaib himself gave them to him some Pakistani if not most are very cunning i can imagine Akhter saying 'Yeah it just gives you stamina nothing dangerous everyone takes it' and then bang!

 

[Adarsh]

Well, that's his problem, if he's not well educated. Stupidity is not an excuse. Akhtar - blatant cheat. Both off them must be having a huge party right now. FARCE!

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Nanldrone (Or however you spell what they took) is still relatively unknown. It has been found to be abundant in - shock horror:
A) Rare cases in men
B) Especially those who are active
Was an article on it (or a link to an off-site article) on cricinfo a while back. Akthar and Asif are both very active. It was also said Urine tests were only accurate on this 60% of the time. Add to this that there medications was prescribed by doctors reccomended/hired/owned by the PCB, you can say that the proof was doubtful. Asif is fine. He is young, unknowing, grown up from a village and doesn't have a PHD or whatever it is to know what Nanldrone is. He can be forgiven,
Akthar, I feel he still deserved a year ban at the least. He should have the commone sense to check what was in the medicines he was taking, and tell Asif too.

 

[sohum]

Were the original tests conducted in-house by the PCB? If that's the case, how do we know that the tests were even actually conducted or the results that came out were what came out. As someone mentioned on the previous page, this may have just been a whole cover-up fiasco because the PCB found out somehow that Shoaib/Asif had taken PES' or that the latter 'fessed up, so this whole episode was conducted in case traces of the substance were found in official ICC tests.

It sounds farfetched, but it is still a bleak possibility.

 

[Deleted member 11215]

Nanldrone (Or however you spell what they took) is still relatively unknown. It has been found to be abundant in - shock horror:
A) Rare cases in men
B) Especially those who are active

twice in a team, im sorry but what are the chances of that. must be about 1million to 1.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

twice in a team, im sorry but what are the chances of that. must be about 1million to 1.

Not really. Rare is more like 1/25-1/50. And both of them have almost identical looking physiques if you have seem, and are hard working fast bowlers. Not unlikely. Add to that the fact that 40% of the tests conducted get wrong results, and it is quite likely.

 

[evertonfan]

What a bloody disgrace this is. Let the drugged-up cheats prosper; That's a great motto for the PCB to send out to children isn't it?

"Don't bother training hard kids, pump your body full of steds and bowl 'em all out without breaking a sweat or facing any punishment! "

The PCB are a joke and should be axed from the ICC. I really appreciate all the Pakistan fans who also disaprove of this decision and for that you have my thanks, but for those immature, biased fanboys who thinks everybody has it in for Pakistan, grow up and accept that this is one of the worst injustices in cricket. Can't wait for Warney to open his mouth on this issue.

 

[brad352]

Nanldrone (Or however you spell what they took) is still relatively unknown. It has been found to be abundant in - shock horror:
A) Rare cases in men
B) Especially those who are active
Was an article on it (or a link to an off-site article) on cricinfo a while back. Akthar and Asif are both very active. It was also said Urine tests were only accurate on this 60% of the time. Add to this that there medications was prescribed by doctors reccomended/hired/owned by the PCB, you can say that the proof was doubtful.

The proof is extremely conclusive and the results of the tests were not disputed by the panel, clearly they did take nandrolone. It makes no difference who gave it to them or if they knew, the fact that they were cleared because they were judged unaware of what they were taking directly contradicts the WADA rules.

"it is not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing use on the athlete's part be demonstrated in order to establish an anti-doping violation…"

"It is the personal responsibility of cricketers to be knowledgeable of and comply with the terms of this anti-doping code."

Under the WADA code, which the ICC is a member of, they are guilty, full stop. There are provisions to reduce the suspension under exceptional circumstances, eg. Shane Warne- the rule can't be used to argue no doping violation took place. A reduced ban could possibly be justified, clearing the charge is just taking the piss out of the ICC and all of it's members.

add to that the fact that 40% of the tests conducted get wrong results

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