Asif and Akhtar Positive for doping!

[apesnani]

Yes, but there is international law as well. Using your analogy, if an Australian goes to England and bombs a few people, he will be prosecuted. Never mind what the Australian law says on that.

Akhtar's drug taking affected the opposition, so it's their problem as well.

You are just repeating what I said , if the Aussie comits a crime in England he will be tried under English law but if the crime was committed in Aussie that it will be Aussie Law.

These two committed the crime under PCB jusrisdiction so PCB Law applied if the crime was committed under ICC supervision then ICC law would have applied. I am not saying these two guys are angels, they just had good lawyers.

 

[PhilD123]

whos to say shane warne wont?

Shane Warne has been punished and so with years limited on his career, I dont think there is anyway Warne will take drugs again.

These guys are old enough professionals to check what they take, even if they took nandrolone unknowingly, they should still be banned. It is their responsibility to check, so I feel in this case its "guilty until proven innocent".

 

[sohum]

The ICC president has spoken

 

[barmyarmy]

Also worth a read.

 

[Gunner786]

Shane Warne has been punished and so with years limited on his career, I dont think there is anyway Warne will take drugs again.

These guys are old enough professionals to check what they take, even if they took nandrolone unknowingly, they should still be banned. It is their responsibility to check, so I feel in this case its "guilty until proven innocent".

right,

and do you read his horoscope or something?
how do you know hes not taking drugs?

hes not played ina major icc event for who knows how long and can take asmany drugs as he wants

 

[sohum]

Also worth a read.

That was a good piece. One thing in particular:

"Indeed, is there any sense in only instituting dope tests during major events as they currently do? What is preventing them from instigating testing during bi-lateral series and tours, or for ODI tournaments not organized by the ICC? Is it not their duty to keep a tighter vigil on such issues?"

 

[evertonfan]

Not played in a major ICC event huh? I'm sure the Ashes is pretty major; That's with the ICC.

The next team Pakistan play with Asif and Akhtar in their sqauds should refuse to play them.

 

[andrew_nixon]

hes not played ina major icc event for who knows how long and can take asmany drugs as he wants

The ECB conducts regular drug tests after matches, during matches, during training and other times out of competition during the season. Shane Warne would have had plenty of drug tests this season at Hampshire.

 

[Stephen Bailey]

right,

and do you read his horoscope or something?
how do you know hes not taking drugs?

hes not played ina major icc event for who knows how long and can take asmany drugs as he wants

Oh dear. You think players who don't play in the World Cup and Champions Trophy don't get tested? I've seen it all now.

 

[Gunner786]

im actually getting quite bored here
people take things to heart when it has nothing to do with them
in the end

its just a game

your life doesnt depend on it

 

[evertonfan]

Oh that's your response it? :

The 'let's get another examle of a non-Pakistani player' card didn't work, then the racism card didn't work and now, becuase you've been proved to be a complete fool, your playing the 'I can't think of anything good to say because my pointless debates have been rendered useless, so i'll make up a cheesy philosophy because I can't think of anything else' card.

 

[PhilD123]

and do you read his horoscope or something?
how do you know hes not taking drugs?

No doubt he would have been tested before the Ashes. As probably would every other player. If he got another ban he would probably be banned for 2 years, meaning his cricket career would be over. Do you really think he'd risk that?

I agree with you Matt, it seems every excuse under the sun has been tried but now they have gone back to things like, "Well you know, its just a game. Everyone will laugh about it in a couple of years"

 

[apesnani]

Oh that's your response it? :

The 'let's get another examle of a non-Pakistani player' card didn't work, then the racism card didn't work and now, becuase you've been proved to be a complete fool, your playing the 'I can't think of anything good to say because my pointless debates have been rendered useless, so i'll make up a cheesy philosophy because I can't think of anything else' card.

Question for you my man since you like Lancashire.

This has nothign to do with the doping crisis but why it might explain some people here claim the race card whihc by the way i have not played at all ,if you read my responsed you will note that I have not called these guys angels but have blamed the laws.

Can you tell me one thing
Wasim & Waqar reverse swing the ball in 1992 and 1996 = cheating
Simon Jones & Flintoff reversw swing the ball in 2005 Ashes = Great Art
Umar Gul reverse swing in 2006 = cheating again (proven it was not)

And by the way you must know Flintoff learned a lot from Wasim.

Why did that happen?

 

[evertonfan]

Question for you my man since you like Lancashire.

This has nothign to do with the doping crisis but why it might explain some people here claim the race card whihc by the way i have not played at all ,if you read my responsed you will note that I have not called these guys angels but have blamed the laws.

Can you tell me one thing
Wasim & Waqar reverse swing the ball in 1992 and 1996 = cheating
Simon Jones & Flintoff reversw swing the ball in 2005 Ashes = Great Art
Umar Gul reverse swing in 2006 = cheating again (proven it was not)

And by the way you must know Flintoff learned a lot from Wasim.

Why did that happen?

That sour taste has never left our mouth

First of all, my post was aimed at Gambino not at you. You are one of the very few Pakistan fans who are actually being mature about this issue and for that I thank you.

Secondly, Wasim, Waqar, Fred, Jones, Gul or whoever, that's legal in my book and it always has been. I've not called any Pakistan player a cheat regarding reverse-swing and as you said, if it wasn't for Akram's fantastic service to the red rose Flintoff would be half the bowler he is today. I'm not even accusing Akhtar and Asif of deliberatley useing nandrolone to gain an advantage, i'm jsut furious with the way the PCB has let them get off scott-free without any reperations whatsoever.

 

[Gunner786]

First of all, my post was aimed at Gambino not at you. You are one of the very few Pakistan fans who are actually being mature about this issue and for that I thank you.

Secondly, Wasim, Waqar, Fred, Jones, Gul or whoever, that's legal in my book and it always has been. I've not called any Pakistan player a cheat regarding reverse-swing and as you said, if it wasn't for Akram's fantastic service to the red rose Flintoff would be half the bowler he is today. I'm not even accusing Akhtar and Asif of deliberatley useing nandrolone to gain an advantage, i'm jsut furious with the way the PCB has let them get off scott-free without any reperations whatsoever.

but is it anything to do with you?