Asif and Akhtar Positive for doping!

[nightprowler10]

Another thing i just found out

The supplements they both took are WADA approved so how is it that they are WADA approved and on the ICC ban list?

These 2 really need to compare each others rules,

Source? I just read that WADA are going after the pace duo themselves after their bans were overturned.

 

[Gunner786]

no source

something i remembered which i read about a month ago ina cricinfo article

 

[brad352]

Another thing i just found out

The supplements they both took are WADA approved so how is it that they are WADA approved and on the ICC ban list?

These 2 really need to compare each others rules,

That's crap

WADA banned substances list, nandrolone is in section one

 

[Gunner786]

That's crap

WADA banned substances list, nandrolone is in section one

i didnt say nandrolone

i said the supplement they took which was pro-max or something

and that includes nandrolone

 

[brad352]

i didnt say nandrolone

i said the supplement they took which was pro-max or something

and that includes nandrolone

Oh, sorry. I really doubt that anything containing a prohibited substance would be WADA approved though, especially considering their strict liability stance, and I can't find anything about it.

 

[apesnani]

Well it's good to have some divergent opinions in this thread and, even though I don't agree with you, thank you apesnani for putting your arguement without resorting to flaming.
My problem with this case is that any international sportsman knows they're not allowed to use drugs without their national board producing exhaustive guidelines. The PCB can't clear its own players on the ground it didn't tell them they couldn't as the precedent it sets is horrendous.
What's to stop another national board doing the same? Ignoring drug cheats (and encouraging them) on the grounds they haven't told them the substance was banned?

I know thhis not the perfect analogy , but think about it.

If an Austrlian commits a crime in Australia he will be tried under Austrlian law. The law in England could be 10 times better on that matter , but there is no way in hell a judge can ever say this law in England makes more sense and while you are being tried in Australia we are going to use English laws. It is only after the case that the Austrlians can fix the law, but for that trial the person will be let go free.

The only way that person will be tried under English law is that he commited the crime in England. The Aussies could shout all they want but the person will be tried in England.

Same is the case here, did PCB have perfect rules, No they did not , but the the doping allegations were made under PCB jurisdiction and so the players have to be tried under PCB doping laws no matter how horrible they are. The only way they could use ICC laws was if the offece was comited under ICC jurisdiction.

 

[brad352]

The PCB is a member of the ICC and is ideally subject to its laws and regulations- the unfortunate thing is that the ICC don't control tests out of official competition. If I can edit your analogy a bit, they're like a state of Australia- we have Commonwealth and state law, in the case of overlap Commonwealth law prevails (section 109 of the Constitution, see I do learn stuff at uni :o). However where a situation is not provided for under Commonwealth legislation the states laws take effect.

In this situation, the ICC hasn't provided for intervening in tests conducted out of competition and the board is free to use its own rules. This means that technically they have the right to clear the players, sure- heck on this basis if a country conducts its own tests before competition they could declare drug use legal and then let the players off under their own doping code. That doesn't make it right, and while they may be free to put through this verdict they're still cheats that deserve every bit of international contempt directed at them for creating this farcical situation.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I agree that this isn't right, and am not saying what they did is right either, but just that they have been let off not because they are cheats, but are just stupid. If it were the ICC or WADA carrying the tests, they'd still be banned.
This loophole needs to be fixed though.

 

[brad352]

I agree that this isn't right, and am not saying what they did is right either, but just that they have been let off not because they are cheats, but are just stupid. If it were the ICC or WADA carrying the tests, they'd still be banned.
This loophole needs to be fixed though.

I was referring to the way the PCB handled things as detailed earlier in the thread with the cheats reference, not the players themselves. That's pretty much an accurate summary of what's going on though

 

[barmyarmy]

I agree the problem is that the Pakistan players play players from other countries and therefore can't just be judged under their own board's regulations.
If Pakistan want to leave the ICC and allow their players to whatever drugs they like when they like that's fine but the players shouldn't be allowed to compete against anyone else who isn't pumping themselves full of PEDs.
Incidentally for some really one-eyed Pakistani views on this check out Pakpassion (run by former cricket2004.co.uk admin Nauman).

 

[Adarsh]

If an Austrlian commits a crime in Australia he will be tried under Austrlian law. The law in England could be 10 times better on that matter , but there is no way in hell a judge can ever say this law in England makes more sense and while you are being tried in Australia we are going to use English laws. It is only after the case that the Austrlians can fix the law, but for that trial the person will be let go free.

The only way that person will be tried under English law is that he commited the crime in England. The Aussies could shout all they want but the person will be tried in England.

Yes, but there is international law as well. Using your analogy, if an Australian goes to England and bombs a few people, he will be prosecuted. Never mind what the Australian law says on that.

Akhtar's drug taking affected the opposition, so it's their problem as well.

 

[evertonfan]

Oh I know Colin, i've been a member on their for ages but i've not been on for a while due to the immaturity, bigotry and downright racism that is on show there. Honestly, everytime a bowler takes a wicket against Pakistan he is accused of chucking on there.

But I digress, i'm getting off-topic now.

 

[Sureshot]

England's performance isn't the only farce today I see. Absolutely disgraceful. What sort of message does this send out? Dwain Chambers said he wasn't aware he took PHD's, but did that mean he was let off? No.

Farce, total farce. :

I can't believe people think that Asif is too young to not know what Nandrolone is and PHD's are wrong. That truly is ridiculous.

PHDs? You mean PEDs surely?

 

[Stephen Bailey]

PHDs? You mean PEDs surely?

You make a good point. It was late!

Gambino, it is fairly simple. If a banned substance is in supplements then they can't have that supplement! There is no defence for them being let off.

 

[Sureshot]

Make of this what you want.

@Adarsh: No, you need experience to ask. He doesn't have. You need a PHD to know what Nanldrone is, he doesn't have one.
Honestly, how many here Asif's age and younger knew what Nanldrone was before this incident? I don't.
And how many of you would occur to ask your local doctor waht's in a cold medicine if you got sick before a big race? None. You take the medicine, and then get banned.
And these medicines they took could have had an undeclared substance, which -and correct me if I am wrong- is a substance that is either not on the label or not banned. I'm not sure.

You need naff all experience, any person going into sports knows of the drugs ban it only takes a few brain cells to ask "What's in that?". I didn't even finish school properly yet i know what Nandrolone is.

As for that lawyers argument, yes the body produces Nandrolone naturally but not enough to show up on the kinds of drugs tests they took. If you'd like a very detailed view on nandrolone I can ask someone with 27 years of medical experience if you want.

Maybe Asif and Shoaib didn't know what they took, but they have to ask what's being put in their bodies. Someones made a big mistake here and it doesn't surprise me with the PCB as controversy isn't exactly new.

I find the decision disgusting and destroys all the work people do to get drugs out of sport.