Do Changes Need to Be Made to The English County System?

King Pietersen

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This is something that I've been thinking about for a while, but this season the need for changes have really become evident. Our County System has 18 Counties, split into 2 divisions. In the 1st Division the standard of cricket is generally very good, but most sides in the 2nd Division are to be brutally honest, awful. We've got sides that have too many Kolpaks, not enough English talent and some shockingly awful journeymen nothing players.

Compare this with the Australian system, which has just 6 teams, and in the last 20+ years has produced far better talent. The 6 team system also means that there is a decent time between fixtures, giving players time to prepare for a match properly, like they would an International fixture. In England, there are way too many games, way too many competitions and just not the time for preparation.

I think we could comfortably take out 6 teams, taking the number of teams down to 12, with 2 6 team divisions. With the 12 counties something like:

Lancashire
Yorkshire
Nottinghamshire
Durham
Somerset
Essex
Kent
Gloucestershire
Hampshire
Sussex
Middlesex
Surrey (because of their history)

You then split them into 2 divisions of six, in all forms of the game. The OD tournaments have far too many teams, with Ireland and Scotland even getting a go. It's just overloading the players with far too many games, far too many nothing games against rubbish teams on placid tracks that just haven't been given the correct preparation time.

The removal of 6 counties would mean that only the best players would get a game, meaning we'd be able to get rid of the hauls of county journeymen, and players that have travelled around the counties, with no aspirations to improve their game and play for England. I'd also limit the amount of Kolpak players to 2 per team, plus the 1 overseas player. That way there are going to be 8 English players in every team, without fail.

It may be harsh on Glamorgan, Leicestershire, Northants, Derbyshire, Worcestershire and Warwickshire, but with the first 4 especially, they've not been good enough, playing far too many Kolpaks and generally not producing enough quality English talent. The better players wouldn't be out of a job either, as they'd be signed up by the counties that remain.

The 12 Counties that remain would also recieve far more funding also, as all the funding the ECB recieves is split between the 18 Counties. This means the facilities can improve, the standard of cricket will improve, and the players would not be stuck in the far too demanding County Cricket schedule. Nasser Hussain has been a big critic of the County System, especially with bowlers, calling County Cricket a "graveyard for quick bowlers". He has a fantastic point, the packed schedule leaves bowlers struggling with fitness and lacking the pre-match preparation required to put in their best performances.

Opinions?
 
I disagree there with the 12 team format but i'd like to see the English player rule. 5 day county matches ftw!
 
If you take out Warwickshire, what exactly will happen to Edgbaston? And you wouldn't be able to limit the amount of Kolpak players because it goes right against the Kolpak ruling.
 
The list of 12 wasn't thought about extensively, just a quick jot down of 12 Counties I thought good enough. Obviously more thought would be made to the 12 Counties than that, so I guess Warwickshire could remain, with Surrey possibly going, and possibly merging with Middlesex to form a London County with games moving between Lords and The Oval.

Surely they could change the Kolpak ruling? or is it a legal ruling that allows these guys to come over? Surely the ECB could quitely limit the amount of Kolpak players per XI to just the 2?
 
Reducing the amount of teams will not increase the talent in the remaining teams.

It just doesn't work like that. All the cricketers remain in the marketplace and the clubs just wont automatically be able to afford the top players, they will continue to employ players on financial grounds. I really don't see the point in chucking out other counties. It wasn't that long ago that Durham weren't even a first class side, now they are champions and quite honestly have a player model that every other county should be copying. There is no reason other counties can't "do a Durham".

What should be done is this.

Minimum 4 under 25 England qualified players in every lineup, incrementally increasing over time to 6. No point in starting out requiring 6 as you need to bring the players thru the academy systems. Give the teams time to adjust.

Overseas players. 1 per team (maximum 2 per season) It's unrealistic for teams to get an overseas player for the entire system anymore, but players just turning up for a month or so is no good either.

Limit on how many kolpak players can start a match (if its legal).

But most importantly, change the points system. You get too many points for a high scoring draw, dump the bonus point system and setup a system that really makes teams go for the win.

The too many games argument went right out the window, when players went off to play extra games in IPL. (Or at least tried to)
 
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I'd like to see the number of fixtures reduced, and possibly increase county games to 5 days. Why are they set at four days?
 
Don't know why they are 4 days tbh. Probably because you couldn't fit that many 5 day games in. 4 days is better than the old 3 day matches though and I can't see it ever being extended to 5 days.
 
The same thing happens in the case of Rugby League. The NRL competition is steps ahead of the Super League because it is packed full of Australian players and Kiwis and always bringing great youth through while the Super League relys on Overseas talent and even had to implement rules to stop clubs from packing their squads with overseas players. Then the Poms wonder why they get smashed at the World Cup. Same as your problem with Domestic Cricket. The Australian comp had about 4 overseas players this year. (Pattinson from England and the 3 Paki's, which 2 only came for the T20 Big Bash really.) and the County comp is packed full of Aussies, South Africans, etc. I don't know how anyone can keep up with the bucket load of teams over there and the divisions and like the 4 comps that run.
 
English County is just overkill. 18 counties? That's ridiculous. Part of the reason Australian Domestic Cricket is so strong is because of the talent it takes to actually make it there. The players who play in the Australian competition are very, very talented if you realise the sheer amount of people who play cricket in Australia, yet compare that number to the amount who play Domestic, which is tiny.

18 counties with each squads of 20 leaves you with around 360 possible domestic players. Overkill.
 
We've been through this on this forum before. Too many teams in England blah blah blah, we are better in Australia because it's harder to get in the squad blah blah blah.

When you look at the populations of the 2 countries, percentage wise, there are more people playing in Australian Domestic versus the population than there are playing in County versus the population. (Although, if I recall, not that greater a percentage).
 
India's domestic structure has a zillion teams and yet it produces the goods. No. of teams are not the problem.
 
And Division 1 of the County Championship and the Sheffield Shield are as close to Test cricket you can get without actually being in one.
 
And Division 1 of the County Championship and the Sheffield Shield are as close to Test cricket you can get without actually being in one.

The IPL is the closest you can get to international cricket.:spy

(Sorry).
 
England should just dump the entire county system idea and just make 6 teams comprising of the most talented players in England. This way, all of the talented players in England will get exposed to quality cricket all the way through their first-class careers before making their International debut and they'll be better prepared for International cricket for when they do debut.

Plus English players will have to earn their stripes, because it's ridiculous the amount of young cricketers that play county cricket but yet can't make the England u19s team. Either merge a bunch of countys together or just make teams like North, South, East & West, etc.
 
England should just dump the entire county system idea and just make 6 teams comprising of the most talented players in England. This way, all of the talented players in England will get exposed to quality cricket all the way through their first-class careers before making their International debut and they'll be better prepared for International cricket for when they do debut.

Plus English players will have to earn their stripes, because it's ridiculous the amount of young cricketers that play county cricket but yet can't make the England u19s team. Either merge a bunch of countys together or just make teams like North, South, East & West, etc.
The counties have a history, though, their sole purpose is not to provide England with players.
 

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